GeorgeBMac

Japhey said:

GeorgeBMac said:

LumpyTapioca said:

There might be 3,000 construction jobs, but not once the fab complex is up and running.
A fab has very little to do with "electronics". It is a hazardous chemical plant and the fab itself is but a giant machine.
Raw materials in, wafers out. And those raw materials are some of the purest, most potent chemicals available.
As far as providing "tech" jobs, the chip design work isn't being done on-site, nor is the design of the ASML-supplied fab equipment.
There might be a small workforce to do maintenance, but the goal of modern fab design is to have no humans inside the facility at all.

This is Intel getting free land, free infrastructure, and taxpayer subsidized workers.

Labor wise, that is what most modern factories look like:   A steel mill used to employ 4,000, now its 400.

Or, reading about a mask factory opening up in the U.S.:  the owner was asked how he could compete with foreign labor.  His answer:   "It will be fully automated, there is no labor".

That may be the future of American manufacturing:  educated, skilled workers running automated processes.

And, it won't be just factories:  take a future hypothetical of distribution from when a widget arrives in port on the west coast:
-- automated mechanics transfer it onto a self driving truck

-- the self-driving truck hauls it to an Amazon warehouse near Cleveland

-- automated mechanics transfer it into the warehouse and onto a shelf

-- An Amazon customer places an online order for the widget

-- automated mechanics load it onto a self driving delivery truck

-- when it arrives at the customer's house, a drone or robot delivers it from the truck to the person's porch.

"Look ma!  No Hands!'

But somebody had to run, manage and maintain all that automated equipment.

Yeh, it will take decades till that happens.   But, like dozens of coal miners with a picks & shovels first got replaced by drills, wall scrapers and conveyor belts, then that all got replaced by enormous earth moving equipment that just whacks off the top of the mountain and scoops up the coal, it will happen slowly but surely.

American workers mostly got replaced by automation not foreign competition -- and that trend will be accelerating.  We need to prepare an educated, skilled work force for our future if we are to remain competitive in the world's markets.

Please just stop. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and are just talking to hear your own voice. I know you fancy yourself a clever person, but this statement is completely false. Leave international economics and geopolitics to people who actually know what they’re talking about, because this statement proves that you have your head in the sand. 

tundraboy said:

Democracies should not have super secret intelligence agencies.  Democracies can have super secret intelligence ops but agencies should be publicly known so that they can be held accountable if and when they misbehave.

So many people do not understand what liberal democracy (the type of government that western countries claim to practice) really means.

cookiefactory said:

GeorgeBMac said:

viclauyyc said:

Sometimes, it makes you wonder which side these people are in.

Of course, not all secret agencies are good. But what point she can proof other than it is a secret agency. Did they do evil stuff? Or they are hunting down Isis cell in Germany? She do t even know. What if some bad guy send a pipe bomb to the address like she did and kill a few.

What can she accomplished by doing this?

It seems that media has shifted from reporting on government to thinking their job is to attack them -- and any form of "outing" is good.  The "us against them" mentality is not good for society.

It was media who outed Nixon and his wrong doing.  But now it is getting to be a game that is running out of control.

What you call “attack” I call “hold accountable” - one of the main purposes of a free press.

viclauyyc said:

Sometimes, it makes you wonder which side these people are in.

Of course, not all secret agencies are good. But what point she can proof other than it is a secret agency. Did they do evil stuff? Or they are hunting down Isis cell in Germany? She do t even know. What if some bad guy send a pipe bomb to the address like she did and kill a few.

What can she accomplished by doing this?

chasm said:

entropys said:

Content is definitely high quality,,even if a lot might not be of interest to a lot of people. 

Truth is though you use it a lot for a week or two, then don’t for a long time until something new of interest is added, then you binge again. There still isn’t enough content for everyone, and maybe won’t be for a while.

You’ve confused “truth” with “your opinion” there.