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Chinese media downplaying Apple's reported $275B deal with the country
mcdave said:
That’s the problem with melting pots, the original structure is lost and reformed into the new structure.waveparticle said:
I waited for you to figure out for yourself. You failed! My point is millions of millions people emigrated to US over last several hundred years. Except the Anglo-Saxons, they gave up their language, culture. No school teaches language as needed. Instead foreign student coming to US has to pass the TOEFL test. Do you know TOEFL? LOL But nobody called this as genocide. Instead people praised US as a melting pot. That means the languages and cultures are melted away. So what the fuck US politicians call what CCP did in Xinjiang and Tibet as genocide?tmay said:
...and your point is what exactly?waveparticle said:
LOL Do you know US is called a melting pot?tmay said:
How about this;waveparticle said:
All Acts by the congress should link to the alleged facts for historical records and should bear responsibility for relying on fake facts to establish the Act.StrangeDays said:
The UN has said they have credible reports:waveparticle said:
So it is not verified yet. How could US Congress pass an Act that is not verified yet?tmay said:
https://uyghurtribunal.com/news/witness-after-witness-hundreds-reveal-the-atrocities-of-chinas-concentration-camps/waveparticle said:tmay said:Waiting for "The Chinese Media", aka bot farms, to downplay the following as well, "clearly driven by the political correctness of Sinophobia";
https://uyghurtribunal.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/UT-judgment-version-for-approval-by-GN-07.25-2.pdfH.R.6210 - Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6210
It is amazing US Congress can pass an act without listing any verifiable evidence. This is democracy!
Of course, it would be easier to verify if the PRC was an open society...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/u-n-says-it-has-credible-reports-that-china-holds-million-uighurs-in-secret-camps-idUSKBN1KV1SU
Confirming what an ex-guard who escaped said:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/china/xinjiang-detective-torture-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
And number other reports:Genocide finding:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/09/asia/china-uyghurs-xinjiang-genocide-report-intl-hnk/index.html
Organ harvesting:
Camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/uighurs/
...there's so much smoke here it's not even a question of whether there's fire. China has an abysmal human rights record and if anything is only getting worse. The army of astroturfers tasked with muddying the waters will not make this go away.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-a-residential-school-system-in-china-is-stripping-tibetan-children-of/
The collective evidence is overwhelming that the PRC is engaged in widespread human rights violations, and yet here you and your Tankie pals are whinging about legislative process to distract. I'm guessing this distraction is the United Front Work Department's plan of action.Almost 80 per cent of Tibetan children in China have been placed in a vast system of government-run boarding schools, where they are cut off from their families, languages and traditional culture, according to an analysis of official data by researchers at Tibet Action Institute.
The U.S.-based NGO found more than 800,000 Tibetan children between the ages of 6 and 18 “are now housed in these state-run institutions.”
“The colonial boarding school system in Tibet is a core element of the Chinese Communist Party’s systematic effort to co-opt, undermine, and ultimately eliminate Tibetan identity in an attempt to neutralize Tibetan resistance to Chinese rule,” the group said in a report published Tuesday.
For years, Tibetans have been sounding the alarm over what they see as assimilationist policies from Beijing. Scholars agree that the implementation of such policies escalated in the wake of large-scale unrest in parts of Tibet in 2008 and the coming to power of Chinese President Xi Jinping in 2012. Spiking repression in Tibet has coincided with a crackdown in China’s neighbouring Xinjiang region in recent years, which has seen an estimated two million ethnic Uyghurs pass through a system of “re-education” or “de-radicalization” camps.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-link-xinjiang-crackdown-with-china-leadership
That sure seems like solid journalism.
What the world thinks of the PRC;
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/Large Majorities Say China Does Not Respect the Personal Freedoms of Its People
Unfavorable views of China also hover near historic highs in most of the 17 advanced economies surveyed
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2021/12/02/china-is-furious-about-bidens-democracy-summit-495283Hi China Watchers. ‘Tis the season for summits! Check your advent calendar: President JOE BIDEN’s two-day Summit for Democracy is just around the corner. This week’s newsletter dives into how China — uninvited — casts a shadow over the event. We’ll also unpack the dramas surrounding both the latest Taiwan codel and another high-profile U.S. corporate apology to Beijing.
Let’s get to it. — Phelim
Next week’s Summit for Democracy is Biden’s latest effort at coalition building against threats to what he calls the “international rules-based order.”
And to China’s dismay, Taiwan has been invited to join representatives of 111 democratic countries (several with dubious democratic credentials) convening at the Dec. 9-10 summit in a demonstration of international resolve. Though unstated, the Biden administration's aim is to counter diplomatic, economic and military dangers posed by a rising authoritarian tide spearheaded by the Chinese and Russian governments.
China is neither invited to the event nor listed on its agenda, but its focus on “individual and collective commitments, reforms, and initiatives to defend democracy and human rights at home and abroad” will likely produce new initiatives to support democratic states, including Taiwan and Lithuania, facing down Chinese military and economic coercion.
“For Taiwan, this is a big deal … an incredible opportunity to interact with other nations on an equal footing and feel respected in an international arena, while brandishing its democratic credentials,” ANTHONY J. SAICH, director of the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at Harvard’s Kennedy School, told China Watcher. “The benefit for [Lithuania] is simply to be seen in a meeting of like-minded nations and to be able to irritate China further by showing that they are still welcome in a big club, of which China is not a part.”
and finally,
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csis-trudeau-china-media-1.6270750As Canada's spy agency warns that China's efforts to distort the news and influence media outlets in Canada "have become normalized," critics are renewing calls for Ottawa to take a far tougher approach to foreign media interference.
The warning is contained in briefing documents drafted for Canadian Security Intelligence Service Director David Vigneault in preparation for a meeting he had with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau earlier this year.
That meeting focused on the rise of foreign interference in Canada — something CSIS says has become "more sophisticated, frequent, and insidious."
One way foreign states — including the People's Republic of China (PRC) — try to exert pressure on other countries is through media outlets, say the documents, obtained through an access to information request.
"In particular, PRC media influence activities in Canada have become normalized," it reads.
"Chinese-language media outlets operating in Canada and members of the Chinese-Canadian community are primary targets of PRC-directed foreign influenced activities."
That melting pot is what built America as an industrial giant. We imported labor -- aside from the obvious case of black "immigrants", we also enticed Western Europeans, Irish, Italian, and then eastern Europeans to work in our mines and factories. And, to a lesser extent, Chinese built our railroads out west.That's even where our public school system came from: those immigrants were living and working under horrible conditions -- but their kids got to build a better future by going to free public schools. So, they stayed, worked long, hard hours under dangerous, even deadly conditions -- and made the Carnegies of America rich men.Added: And each of those immigrant groups were hated, despised and discriminated against by the "real Americans" (who were themselves immigrants or descended from immigrants) -- just as is done today with the immigrants from our southern border. "They don't send us their best..."
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Apple made secret 5-year $275B deal with Chinese government
cornchip said:GeorgeBMac said:sdw2001 said:On one hand, I don't blame Apple for threading the needle with the CCP in order to get access to a market with 5 times the population of U.S. But on the other, that's a lot of money and resources that are building Communist China instead of the United States. China is a major competitor, biggest trade partner, and #1 threat to the U.S. all at the same time. Their government's goal is to be the world superpower by 2050. This was a long-term plan started in the 1970's. We dismissed them for decades, thought we "free" trade could liberalize the CCP, and their military was subpar compared to ours. All that has changed in the last 20 years. While we still have a superior military, they have the capability to win a battle (for example, Taiwan) before we can respond with full force. They also have sophisticated enough equipment (planes, missiles, anti-satellite etc.) to give us real problems.Is there any actual evidence that China is a threat to the U.S. or that they intend to become the world's leading super (military) power -- or is it just more propaganda left over from the Trump era?We know how that operates: repeat the lies enough times and they becomes the new alternative facts.They literally have a public plan to do so. It’s not as if they’re trying to hide their motives!The only public plan I know of from China is to do the best for their people that they are able. They've pretty much eliminated the pervasive, rampant, abject poverty of their people and they want that progress to continue. Starting wars or wasting money on expensive weapons systems to police the world (like we're doing) - is not part of that plan because it just squanders money, people and resources in unnecessary, unwinnable wars..Do they seek world domination? no. But as part of their public plan they say they will never again be dominated, colonized or abused by another country.
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Apple made secret 5-year $275B deal with Chinese government
sdw2001 said:On one hand, I don't blame Apple for threading the needle with the CCP in order to get access to a market with 5 times the population of U.S. But on the other, that's a lot of money and resources that are building Communist China instead of the United States. China is a major competitor, biggest trade partner, and #1 threat to the U.S. all at the same time. Their government's goal is to be the world superpower by 2050. This was a long-term plan started in the 1970's. We dismissed them for decades, thought we "free" trade could liberalize the CCP, and their military was subpar compared to ours. All that has changed in the last 20 years. While we still have a superior military, they have the capability to win a battle (for example, Taiwan) before we can respond with full force. They also have sophisticated enough equipment (planes, missiles, anti-satellite etc.) to give us real problems.Is there any actual evidence that China is a threat to the U.S. or that they intend to become the world's leading super (military) power -- or is it just more propaganda left over from the Trump era?We know how that operates: repeat the lies enough times and they becomes the new alternative facts.
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Apple made secret 5-year $275B deal with Chinese government
This is consistent.China encourages and supports capitalistic ventures -- as long as they benefit China and its people -- and especially if they do not threaten the stability and growth of the country.It's a win-win strategy.in this case:Apple wins, China wins, and the Chinese people win -- and we win because we get great iPhones at prices we can afford.
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Apple again asks for Apple Watch, Mac Pro tariff exemptions
elijahg said:
Your own facts are the alternative ones. Despite copious amounts of independent evidence you refuse to believe a single negative fact about the CCP. Not one.GeorgeBMac said:elijahg said:
Except China isn't free market capitalism. It's manipulated and subsidised to maximise profit, influence and power of the CCP. The reason China is competitive is low wages, artificially manipulated Chinese yuan, little better than forced labour, zero health and safety and zero environmental concern. But of course you'll deny all this because you're a Chinese shill.GeorgeBMac said:elijahg said:
It's to force companies to consider manufacturing/sourcing at home, where pay/worker rights/work/life balance is much fairer than that in China. The problem is supply chains have been dismantled in the west in favour of China, and it needs a lot of incentive (i.e. tariffs) for them to be rebuilt.GeorgeBMac said:If tariffs are used for anything more than to block dumping they are simply a tax on the American people and bound to result in one-up-manship and fail anyway.Just return to sanity instead of childish, playground bully tactics.We tried that back in the 80's as Japan was dismantling our electronics, steel and auto industries. It failed.And, it's failing this time too -- despite the regurgitation of old, left over excuses and chest thumping.Globally we live in a free market capitalism world and industry will always gravitate to those who do it best. The U.S. has made itself uncompetitive. Rebuilding our decimated and out of date infrastructure will help restore us to competitiveness -- but that's just one of multiple pieces that need addressed.
LOL.. No, I deny it because it's just ChinaHater propaganda. Just more "alternative facts".That's true. I stick to reality.Speaking of which, China claims that our democracy is badly broken and that the Chinese people have more of a say than do the American people:
"American democracy, as a representative of Western democracy, has shown serious inefficiency after more than 200 years of over-consumption. It cannot provide motivation for resolving even the most prominent problems in the US. It has almost become a hollow framework, habitually holding rounds of elections. Elections themselves have become the sole feature of its democracy, and winning the election has become the overwhelming goal of political parties and politicians. With US society is being torn apart, it is increasingly politically uneconomical to work on solving problems. It is proven to be a "smarter" way to pretend to solve the problem and then blame political opponents for being unable to resolve issues, and to defraud the trust of voters.
The American people will be valued by politicians as the object of persuasion, only when they are "voters." But after each election, they cannot continuously supervise the winning side. Generally, the US and West are relatively "small governments," and governments do not bear unlimited moral responsibility for people's livelihood. Even if the COVID-19 pandemic led to more than 700,000 deaths in the US, the federal government does not need to take the responsibility. Instead, the president can shirk responsibility onto ordinary people who do not get vaccinated or refuse to wear masks.
In the US, there is a very strong intermediary force between the government and the people: capital. Capital can not only strongly influence government's decision-making, but is also the dominant force in guiding social relations. It is the real immutable force in the US' democratic power distribution.In the beginning, US-style democracy was democracy for slave owners and a minority of societal elites, then, it gradually expanded to "one person, one vote." However, as the social interest pattern has been divided up and polarized, ordinary people are unable to convert their votes into a means to protect their actual interests. The government for them is an abstract concept in real life. Congressmen and senators are obsessed with quarreling and garnering attention."But, they do not entirely dismiss our claims to having the best form of government:
"We don't think the Western-style democratic system is without merit . For example, the rule of law holds high authority in many Western countries and the societies have been firmly accustomed to solving specific disputes through judicial channels."(But, on the other hand, I wonder if they have noticed our Supreme Court that's been politically stacked to do the bidding of the American Taliban.)I have to wonder how much of the "We hate China" mantra is simply a means of distracting the American people from our own failings. In any case, I think we should be focusing on fixing the many problems we have here rather than fixing those perceived problems of other countries.... We might start by figuring out how kids can go to school without being either infected or shot.At the same time, China touts its own version of democracy:
