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waveparticle said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

Yes, Huawei has been using the 'Vision' branding for a while now and specifically in AR glasses and smart screens too, so the Apple name does overlap slightly.

I'm currently interested in a Vision 3 to replace a Samsung TV if it gets a release in Spain. The previous model was available here. 

We are talking about well known, commercial products (and not all of them are limited to China) so it is hard to believe Apple wasn't well aware of the situation. 

It's possible that the issue has already been taken into account. 

There are only a limited set of English words to describe a specific thing. To grant patent of a word to a company is not right. Especially if the word is extended to a family. 

Yet lots of those limited words are present in trademarks. 

In this particular case it is Vision Pro and it is taken for exactly the same product category as the Apple Vision Pro. 

But then again, we used to have 'Apple Computer' and the fight with 'Apple music' . 

How many different words are there for 'Apple'? 

I don't disagree with you on the basics but that's how things are. 

There are General Motors, General Electric, General Instrument, and many more. I think Appel Vision Pro should be good to go as long as Huawei did not have a similar product already in market. 

Huawei has different eyewear products that range from simple 'smart' eyewear with audio, through to eyewear for AR and for viewing video.

It also has cameras for TVs for AR related tasks and gesture support. 

There are also non-eyewear products like AR-HUDs. 

It's very active in the imaging 'Vision' fields and has been working on XR from both a consumer and industry perspective. 

Huawei Vision does not have Apple Vision Pro equivalent. Judging from Huawei copycatting Apple products history, it will have one by the end of this year.

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/visions/s/

It doesn't need to have an Apple Vision Pro equivalent. 

There is absolutely no requirement for that but its case is strengthened by the fact that Huawei has been actively working in the AR field for years and with different shipping products. 

LiDAR, camera technology, gesture technology, AI, display technology, ultra low latency communications, chipsets, battery technology, software. 

On top of that it is also developing the ICT backend technology to support ubiquitous use of XR. 

If it trademarked the 'Vision Pro' name for ten years, it's reasonable to assume that a product might appear during that timeframe. 

As for the copycat claims, did you know that Apple is rumoured to licence almost 800 patents from Huawei, and over the last six years Huawei has pioneered a lot of features that have ended up in Apple products. 

Well, Apple licensing from Huawei is not a valid defense that Huawei did not copycat Apple products. Visit its product page, you can see that Huawei is trying to fool consumers. MateBook? MatePad? FreeBuds? 

Names? 

The Mate branding has been around since 2013. As computers and tablets were introduced, the naming spilled over into those categories as they were built with interconnection in mind. Hence the MateBook and MatePad. The naming makes a lot of sense. 

There is also a MatePad Paper with no Apple product equivalent. 

The Freebuds Pro were actually more advanced than Apple Airpods at launch. I see nothing similar in the name. 

At this year's WWDC did you notice that soon Apple will let you choose more devices for camera input/output (I can't remember which off the top of my head). Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

And they also claimed faster syncing/lower Bluetooth latency. Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

Air gestures? This is a few years old now:



Smart Eyewear:

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/huawei-eyewear/

That's now on Gen 3. 

Vision Glasses:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-Vision-Glass-smart-glasses-debut-in-China-with-Micro-OLED-displays.673972.0.html

I really don't think they will have any problems defending their use of Vision Pro if it comes to the crunch but I don't think Apple will even try because it's no secret where Huawei is heading with all these technologies. 

As for a valid defence against the copycat claims, patents and products are perfect for that, along with massive R&D outlay. 

Anyone who only copies, doesn’t  invest 20 billion dollars in R&D every year and constantly make the top rankings for patents. It doesn't pioneer technology in several key industries. 

Well, even Huawei founder Ren admitted Huawei was a follower of Apple. Apple choose TSMC as chip fabrication partner, use Sony image sensor, and Huawei copied. Apple is the center of high tech innovation. 

"Apple is the center of high tech innovation"

I think you may have lost touch with reality. 

Remind me where Apple's 5G modem is? 

Apple is a CE company. It is vitally important that you keep that front and foremost in your trains of thought. 

Huawei has far more breadth (and responsability) in industry than Apple. 

Here is just the latest announcement, in this case in for fintech:

https://e.huawei.com/en/news/2023/industries/finance/data-infrastructure-architecture-f2f2x

That is an architectural proposition that Apple would never touch. It has nowhere near the resources or knowhow to get anywhere near that kind of mission critical technology. 


TSMC had Huawei as one its major customers and often began mass production of Huawei chips before starting Apple runs. That's why, up until government sanctions at least, Huawei and Apple were releasing phones on the latest nodes at the same time. 

It's ironic that you would note that that Apple "has nowhere near the resources or knowhow to get anywhere near that kind of mission critical technology" as Huawei, which is in fact the ongoing argument for removing Huawei from critical telecom infrastructure in the West. That Huawei had its hands in Xinjiang, spying on minorities, is well known, and sufficient in itself for blocking Huawei from Western technology.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surveillance-china/

and;

https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/14/22834860/huawei-leaked-documents-xinjiang-region-uyghur-facial-recognition-prisons-surveillance

The Washington Post says it obtained the PowerPoints from a public Huawei site before they were taken down. According to the report, the slides included details on Huawei’s involvement with other companies in creating several systems and had metadata dating them anywhere from 2014 to 2020 (with copyright dates being listed from 2016 to 2018).

Facial recognition is for national security. But in western nations Chinese security is unimportant. It bugged my mind why TikTok is national security concern to US especially the state of Montana. 

avon b7 said:

coolfactor said:

avon b7 said:

Yes, Huawei has been using the 'Vision' branding for a while now and specifically in AR glasses and smart screens too, so the Apple name does overlap slightly.

I'm currently interested in a Vision 3 to replace a Samsung TV if it gets a release in Spain. The previous model was available here. 

We are talking about well known, commercial products (and not all of them are limited to China) so it is hard to believe Apple wasn't well aware of the situation. 

It's possible that the issue has already been taken into account. 

Definitely living in different worlds. No Samsung or Huawei device will ever make it into my household by choice. Huawei has been banned by both Canadian and US governments for cellular network gear over concerns of possible spying via installed equipment.

Well, we all know about that nonsense but it’s not relevant here. 

twolf2919 said:

I think this is going to be one of those times when Apple should have either waited another year or two to release the AR glasses Tim originally dreamed of - or it should have started with less ambitious AR glasses in the first place - eg ones that let the iPhone do all the heavy lifting computationally.  The latter would have made it a lot easier to develop something people wouldn’t mind wearing in public.

Alas, Apple produced a super expensive engineering marvel that nobody outside extreme dorks would wear in public.  The author says that developers are excited about this product - I bet their business bosses aren’t: who would they sell those Vision Pro apps to?  There’s no market - at least not for another year or five.

h4y3s said:

Remember folks, this is just an early prototype of the eventual "Apple iGlasses". This one built for programmers and developers to get their hands on something that works before they roll out the final product, which will look more like a pair of Ray-Ban's and you will wear all day!  Maybe in five or six years. 

comcastsucks said:

The price is insane.