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radarthekat said:

timmillea said:

The Apple Car is Apple's undoing. It is their blindspot because their decisions are US-based and the US is the car-crazy country. Car ownership must be reduced drastically year upon year to around 5% of current levels in order to meet globally agreed climate change targets. Electric mostly shifts the pollution elsewhere and introduces new toxic battery pollutants. Apple should be working on hyper-efficient public transport but mostly in reducing the need to travel at all. 

Not in disagreement with the overarching theme of reducing the number of vehicles, but it’s not true that EVs merely shift the pollution elsewhere.  EVs are today far better for the environment and will be more so as renewable energy fills in more for fossil fuels in electricity generation.

https://www.teslarati.com/new-ucs-study-evs-cleaner-than-ice/

anantksundaram said:

ireland said:

JWSC said:

JP234 said:

— "Recent concepts suggest that the car could lack a steering wheel" 

"They'll take my steering wheel when they pry it from my cold dead hands! From.My.Cold.Dead.Hands!"

Exactly.  Inner city dwellers may find driverless autos tempting.  But most everyone else will take a hard pass on any Apple car that does not have a steering mechanism. Notice that I didn’t say steering wheel.

Don’t tell me you like that steering yoke abomination.

You have no clue. 

Best to pass on silly unfounded opinions. 

MacPro said:

As an aside, why does this website not return you to the correct place if you have to re-sign in as seems to happen a lot these days?

9secondkox2 said:

MplsP said:

JP234 said:

Since the second thing I do when I buy a new Macbook of any kind is to buy a keyboard cover, I've never encountered this problem. I also don't eat or drink in their proximity. And when I sell or trade them in, the pristine case and keyboard underneath gives me a bit extra leverage on price, Try it, they're cheap, and taking care of your electronics properly costs nothing.

I bought a silicone cover for my keyboard. The feel was awful, it was horrible to type on, it left grease smudges on the screen and it still didn't prevent stuff from getting into the keyboard. If you have to purchase a protector for the keyboard because it won't stand up to routine use then it's a design fail.

foregoneconclusion said:

avon b7 said:

ranson said:

AniMill said:

“ Apple denied any wrongdoing…” 

Ummm, I have great respect for most Apple products and business practices, but the Butterfly Keyboard was an unmitigated disaster in design and durability. I understand they have to deny culpability, but they should send this bill to Jony Ive. Maybe this (along with the Apple Watch tree removal fiasco) were the real reasons they pushed him out, and cut ties to his new venture.

To be clear, there is no wrongdoing here. Wrongdoing in the legal sense means with nefarious intent. Clearly Apple did not intend to make everyone's life miserable with this terrible keyboard design.

And I suppose settling will have allowed them to avoid having to provide internal data on exactly how many machines were repaired due to keyboard issues. 

The number $35 million ($50 million minus $15 million in legal fees) gives you a very rough idea of the total number of repairs in the five year period for those states. It has to be less than 700,000 (if all repairs were $50 variety) and more than 88,000 (if all repairs were $395 variety) since it's going to be a mix of $50, $125, and $395 payouts. Or from an annual perspective: less than 20,000 repairs on average per state and more than 2,500 repairs on average per state. 

FTA, the settlement only covered California, Florida, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Washington. We have no idea about relative sales numbers but if you use your approach it's safe to say a large number of devices were affected.

9secondkox2 said:

DAalseth said:

welshdog said:

DAalseth said:

Thanks Jony

Don't see his name on the patent.
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2015047612A3/en

Wouldn’t have gone into production without his OK. Would not have happened at all without his push for thinner at all costs. 

Pushing the envelope is what Jony and Apple are famous for. 

Making things thin isn’t a bad thing. And the industry has followed Ive’s lead there. 

The keyboard was a fantastic idea that simply wasn’t sorted out properly by the hardware team and shouldn’t have been signed off on by The hardware lead at the time. 

It was a rare failure for Apple, which has a history of pursuing the impossible - and usually grasping it. 

But this wasn’t Jony’s failure, no matter how hard you push that narrative. 

“Cool story bruh”

I'm not sure how you call the butterfly keyboard a 'fantastic idea.' Making things thin is fine, as long as they work and any idea that fails is not fantastic. We'll never know for sure how much of this was Jonny but ultimately it was Apple's failure.

probably because the idea of a more stable keyboard with more uniform key presses and shorter travel is … a good idea. 

Was it executed well? We all know the answer to that. But the idea - the concept - was fantastic  

Idea is different from execution  

Lots of great ideas that don’t pan out. Doesn’t detract that it was worth a shot. The hardware team has learned from it and will be more careful the next time an opportunity to invent comes around