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nicholfd said:

MplsP said:

nicholfd said:

MplsP said:

nicholfd said:

killroy said:

nicholfd said:

killroy said:

Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.

And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.

All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.

Thunderbolt 3 is USB C. your comment makes no sense

Thunderbolt 3 is not USB-C. You need to educate yourself before replying.  

Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C physical connector.  However, a USB-C physical connector can be USB-C only, and not be Thunderbolt 3. 

My comment makes perfect sense to someone who knows what they are talking about.

USB C is a physical connector. Thunderbolt 3 uses USB-C. If a dock is a thunderbolt dock it is a USB C dock so simply saying 'it's about USB C' and not thunderbolt makes no sense. I assume you mean it's about USB 3.x, but that is separate from the connector. Happy to educate you.

No!  That is incorrect.  A Thunderbolt 3 dock will not work on any type of USB only port.  USB 2.0  & 3.x (without Thunderbolt 3 capability) can be a USB-C type of connector.  Educate yourself:  USB-C

nicholfd said:

killroy said:

nicholfd said:

killroy said:

Using a OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and all is well.

And this article is about USB-C hubs & docks, not Thunderbolt.

It's also USB-C with Thunderbolt.

All current OWC Thunderbolt docks required a Thunderbolt connection to the computer.  They will not work with just a USB-C connection to the computer.  This article is about USB-C docs/hubs, that connect via the USB protocol to the computer.

rob53 said:

Funny the FBI feels they have legal rights to my private conversations with people. If they have legal rights I should have legal rights to access their conversations since I’m a taxpayer. 

Yea, not in my lifetime. 

cgWerks said:

melgross said:
These are by no means cheap chips. As Anandtech just said about these new chips;”Apple invested in silicon.” Meaning that these are large, and expensive. There is no other way to do what these do on chip. ...

Yeah, maybe it is just a matter of expectations. I'm happy to see the performance and the future looks bright. But, the prices are also a bit of a shocker. I think we were lead to believe that Intel was limited on the 'low' end by heat/performance, and then too costly going into Xeons (leading to Mac Pro pricing). I had hoped we'd see the middle filled in a bit once Apple was free with their own architecture and control over it all.

Now, it looks like we're back to the same problem. The affordable machines don't have the performance for the prosumer or independent pro, and the higher-end machines cost even more than they used to. My current setup, a Mac mini i7 w/ eGPU might be a bit slower in terms of CPU power and uses more power, but something similar in Apple's new lineup is over $3500.

I'm hoping maybe a lot of that price is in the screen and unnecessary laptop 'stuff' and await the mini 'Pro', but I'm a bit worried it will be out of my price range for anything useable.

melgross said:
I’m pretty certain that Apple had what they thought were good reasons to take ports away and replace them with different ports. Not all of us may agree with them on that, but they didn’t do it willy nilly. They were likely doing what they had so successfully done in the past, many times, which was forcing a newer technology to replace an older one. This time it was too early. Maybe it will happen in a few more years.

I think maybe it was being a bit overzealous on that front, combined with an industrial design wish for the look of port-uniformity. The problem, as Marco Arment put it one day, is that when some large percentage of your users *need* a dongle to do what they need to do, it is a problem.

And, like I've said since this whole thing started, when I've got a bunch of USB-C devices I can just plug into a machine with a bunch of USB-C ports, I'll be happy with it. But, that day is still a long way off and may never come. The only people who really benefited (and that's questionable) are those who bring their laptop between two locations with 'docks'. (The problem being dock ports aren't oven equal to built in ones.)

I don't need an HDMI or SD card reader on my laptop (should I ever get one again), but a lot of Apple's laptop users use those ports all the time (ex. how many people have to plug into a projector at the office?). It is good to see them back, and having those ports doesn't hurt me at all (if I don't need them).