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Marvin said:

canukstorm said:

"It works better for some scenarios like reading news in the bathroom, watching movies on a plane, for taking on vacation, for swiping through photo albums, it works better when relaxing on a sofa, Facetiming family or work meetings." =>  This is true but then a super expensive iPad Pro is not required for such basic tasks.  an iPad 10th gen or iPad Air will more than suffice.  This is where a lot of the issues with the iPad Pro comes in.  When you're paying for an iPad that can cost just as much, if not more (depending on configuration) than a MBP, iPadOS should be as capable as macOS on a device of this caliber.

It depends, some people use an iPad as their only computer because their computing needs don't go beyond browsing, online shopping, email, social media, photos, webcam, document editing.

For someone who has it as their only device, they'd probably want a lot of storage and the base model iPad tops out at 256GB.

An 11" iPad Pro 1TB is $1599. That's not super expensive when it's used as someone's only computer, especially if it's used for 7+ years and the OLED display is nicer than the IPS display in the Air. It may not be worth $500 more than the Air for everyone but $1599 isn't that expensive in general for someone's main device.

You’re kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth - first saying the iPad has different uses then saying people are using it as a laptop replacement.

mattinoz said:

macsince1988 said:

The “reviews saying that iPadOS limitations mean the new iPad Pro can't easily replace a MacBook Pro” feel like they are recycled, repeating something that appears in the reviews every time a new iPad is released.  The iPad was never meant to be a laptop, and it’s a great device when it meets your needs.

In these criticisms, treat "Laptop" or "MacBook" as shorthand for a portable computer that can be used ad hoc when away from your focused work location (not even assuming that location has a non-portable computer, and the ad-hoc device is still there to sideline distractions).
 
Why can't an iPad replace that?
- Hardware is capable
- Hardware can be extended to be more capable of niche tasks. 
- Software? nope, it cannot be extended to be more capable of niche tasks. 

This isn't about Apple trying to get you to buy 2 devices it is them trying to get you to buy 3. 
Desktop - Laptop - iPad [edit: 4 devices if you include an iphone!]
If iPadOS were more capable, you wouldn't need two portable computers, just the one with the best form factor for you. (This is currently true of MacBooks but not iPads.) 

I'm sure we will hear the same discussion again in 5-10years when VisionPro matures into almost being able to replace the focused work location device completely for many people. 
(after all we heard it Apple ][ to Mac, Desktop to Laptop, dumb phone to smart phone, landline to mobile)

Exactly. Apple continues to push the hardware capabilities of the iPad while inexplicably crippling the software.

I have both an iPad and a MacBook. I find myself using both but most often, the times I use my MacBook are not because I need more speed or better hardware, rather it’s because MacOS makes it easier to do what I need. There are also apps that are only available for MacOS or iPad OS that make me choose one or the other. 

Like many people, I don’t have great computing power needs. Email, word processing, Quicken, light PDF editing, etc. All of this is easily handled by the M2 processor, just not  iPadOS. Other tasks can be done but are not nearly as easily accomplished on iPadOS.

I can’t say for sure but it does seem like Apple is intentionally crippling or hindering iPadOS development so as not to eat in to its laptop sales, but that seems like it’s exactly opposite of the ‘insanely great’ that Steve Jobs always strove for.

I still get a kick out of people clamoring for lossless audio. Even with the proper equipment precious few can tell the difference and most people listen on a pair of Bluetooth AirPods or Beats headphones that are incapable of rendering the difference. My favorite was people on a Tesla forum wanting lossless audio. ‘Cause you can absolutely hear the difference while driving a car with wind and road noise!

The high quality AAC and MP3 codecs are more than good enough for all except some professionals who have the equipment and trained ears. I suppose we should include the people who like to pretend they can hear the difference so they can think they are more discerning and ‘professional’ than everyone else in that group.

appleinsideruser said:

The Pencil product line seems too confusing, like Mac’s were back in the pre-Jobs Macintosh IIfx / IIcx / IIci / IIsi days. 

Agreed - multiple different apple pencils, each compatible with different ipad models. It’s a very Microsoft approach. Just have one pencil compatible with all ipads, or maybe and Apple Pencil and an Apple Pencil Pro.

It may be legal but certainly not ethical. Corporations complain all the time about China forcing release of intellectual property as a requirement of doing business with the Chinese businesses then taking the IP. This is no different. 

MisterKit said:

iPad hardware has been more than enough for several generations now. If there is any breakthrough advance it lies with the software.

True. And $1500 is well into laptop territory for price. They’ve slowly been increasing the capabilities of iPadOS but that’s been the limiting factor for quite some time.

 Apple also really needs to merge the regular/air lines and get rid of one of them.