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rogifan_new said:

This is dumb. What happens when an average Joe tries to repair something and it goes badly wrong? Then is Apple going to be stuck trying to fix or have to provide a replacement device? Governments should stay out of this.

I don't think Apple would be held responsible if third party repair messes up with the device. I remember someone sharing the link for the contents of this proposal earlier. We need to read it before commenting based on the title of this article.

Edit: It was @SpaceRays who shared the link earlier. http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/105/PDF/Intro/LB67.pdf I would request all of the people to go through this before commenting on this topic, because many questions/concerns are already addressed in the proposed bill.

macxpress said:

wood1208 said:

There should be older version of IOS available to downgrade to and newer version if someone wants to upgrade to new features version.

So you can downgrade your phone and re-unlock exploits in the OS. Yeah, thats a great idea! There are reasons why Apple does things the way they do and its not to lock you into a specific OS. The reason I just mentioned alone should be more than enough. Also, if you have an App that requires iOS 11 and you downgrade to iOS 10 well guess what, it no longer works! 

Your argument is NOT really practical. There are plenty of people (we are talking about few hundred millions of people here) with more than 2 years old iPhones/iPads and they DO face significant performance issues EVERY year after upgrading to the LATEST and supposedly GREATEST version of iOS. Your solution to them is - Learn to live with it because it is secure OR replace it with a newer device (which is what you are more likely doing hence you probably never faced the slow-down issue). And you assume this is good enough for each and everyone owning an old iPhone/iPad. Apparently it is NOT enough of a solution for the people who are struggling with older devices. People who are reasonable about this issue asks for a different solution - Allow the people to downgrade to previous version of iOS which did NOT exhibit significant performance issues AND provide security updates alone to even older versions of iOS for 4 years.

You may argue it costs additional money for Apple to support older versions of iOS. But that is another short sighted view, purely from a shareholder point of view, with total disregard for end-users. If you are an Apple customer, you should demand the best for you as a customer. In this case, good performance for life time of the device (i.e. 4 years) AND security updates for 4 years. Maximizing Apple's profit SHOULD NOT be your objective as a customer.

rogifan_new said:

cloudmobile said:

Do not think that Apple having their smart speaker on the market would have impacted much. You have to remember that this vaunted "Apple ecosystem" thing is mostly hype. The vast majority of people in this alleged "ecosystem" only own 1 Apple device or at most two. Meaning that they may own an iPod or iPad or a MacBook, but few is the household that owns all 3, and even fewer is the household that owns other devices like the Apple Watch and the Apple TV. 

I’d love to know what your source is for this. 

I touched upon this point few months back and asked it as a question - Aren't majority of people in Apple's ecosystem own only 1 Apple device (i.e. iPhone)? I also made some reasonable assumptions in terms of "Active" number of devices in each category to discuss about this.

iPhones - About 1 to 1.2 billion

iPads - About 200 million

Macs - About 150 million

Apple Watch - About 50 million

Airpods - About 10 million

Looking at the approximate numbers, it is very clear that the Apple's ecosystem is centered around 1device, i.e. iPhones. Few people pointed out the fact that a Family would own just 1 Mac (any variant), but would have at least 2 iPhones or even more. Even considering this fact, the majority of Apple users would have just 1 device, i.e. still the iPhone and nothing else. So everyone within Apple's ecosystem owning every Apple's hardware product is definitely a myth.

rogifan_new said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

macplusplus said:

Rayz2016 said:

sdw2001 said:

In other words:  Duh.  

Yup. 

I’m waiting to see what the iPhoneX is like before buying the X, the 8, or staying with what I’ve got.  

Google Pixel 2 is flawed by screen burn in. OLED defendents claimed that that was an old issue already resolved. But a recent phone with presumably good tech still presents OLED burn in.

So I wouldn’t take the risk, even with Apple and would stay with the good old LCD. I bought my iPhone 8 Plus a couple of days ago and TrueTone is wonderful.

The 2XL with the burn-in uses Plastic OLED, versus AMOLED. We'll see what Apple's using -- but I suspect it's the latter.

Isn’t POLED and AMOLED just the names LG and Samsung use for their display tech?

It is, but there is a huge difference in the maturity of the display technology deployed by those 2 companies. LG has started with the OLED display technology for smartphones only this year. All of their flagship phones until last year used LCD technology. Samsung has been using OLED for lot of years and faced burn-in in earlier years and resolved the issues and matured the technology to what it is now. So there is an important distinction to be made, while talking about OLED which was NOT made by @macplusplus. Mike was correct in pointing out the differences. The chances of iPhone X suffering from burn-in should be close to Nil because Apple chose Samsung to manufacture the panels for them who are at a different level in this technology.

MplsP said:

In reality, a lot of people are using them already. As others have mentioned, it depends on how you design the interface and whether you make it a required part of the interface. Of course if Apple does this, there will be (understandable) howls of Apple copying the Galaxy Note

It doesn't matter at the end. This would spell DOOM for Samsung Galaxy Note series. Samsung already has a hard time selling the note lineup even 10 million phones a year. Once Apple provides stylus support, Samsung may need to ABANDON their Note lineup due to very low volume in couple of years, unless Samsung change direction for their Note lineup. Right now, Samsung is focusing on "FORM" over "Functionality" even for their Note lineup. It worked very well for S lineup, since it is a mainstream one. For Note, it is NOT a right approach, but Samsung is insistent on the same (luckily no competition so far). Once Apple provides stylus support, Note would have a hard-time differentiating itself with their current approach and will end-up as an inferior product for the potential buyers.