atomic101

See my previous post with similar comparison pics in the below link.  

https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/comment/3028480/#Comment_3028480

This video is a decent representation of what I experienced.  No battery warning indicator from the phone.  No red flags when the tech tested it prior to replacement. Just a palpable sense of lag, stutter, and unpleasantness in user experience.  

No indication of a bad battery... Just an assumption that the CPU was no longer up to the task of maintaining a buttery smooth experience in iOS. 


What the video fails to show is the scrolling experience through apps. On my throttled phone, this was especially noticeable in certain apps (Weather.com and Safari especially).  And the user in the video was lucky....  My phone would throttle to 50% speed.... Or MORE.  See pics in the previous post.  

What is also worth pointing out is that Apple's claims of reduced performance (only) at  peak power loads seems to be misleading. The throttling is something that appeared to remain steady during normal use..... Not just when running a benchmark or taking a picture. Perhaps Apple's interpretation is that simply using the phone is a "peak" power demand..... Either way, the statement is misleading. 

tipoo said:

I fully believe the explanation that it was to prevent shutdowns, as phones that don't do this, often just...Well, shut down. 

The main issue was not sending a user notification as soon as performance was reduced that a new battery would restore the old speed. Doubly so for the 6S's that went out with bad batteries, they have a repair program for that but no user notification, so I bet more people are just using slowed 6S's that should be perfectly competent performers, than those that knew about the program. 

Exactly. Communication. The lack thereof makes it all look shady. 

That, and turning away paying customers from replacing batteries in their throttled phones.  I had a throttled phone with a  battery that apparently met the criteria for the OS to reduce CPU performance significantly (50% or more), YET, it passed Apple's battery health test at the time of repair....... Leading the tech to tell me that the battery was fine and they were not authorized to replace a "good" battery.

Of course, once the Apple PR campaign kicked into gear, they replaced the battery with no questions asked. And it resolved the throttling issue. Go figure. 

Slightly suspect, yes. 

sflocal said:

zoetmb said:

My iPhone6 definitely seems far slower, but it's slower even when the battery is fully charged.   I don't think this has anything to do with throttling the device when the battery is low (although I do want to get that $29 replacement), but it seemed to have started with the last iOS update.   Everything on the device reacts slower - key presses, etc.

lkrupp said:

zoetmb said:

My iPhone6 definitely seems far slower, but it's slower even when the battery is fully charged.   I don't think this has anything to do with throttling the device when the battery is low (although I do want to get that $29 replacement), but it seemed to have started with the last iOS update.   Everything on the device reacts slower - key presses, etc.

I have an iPhone 6 and experience no such slow downs. Apps load more slowly but once active everything is fine. To me it is an expected fact of life that as the operating system gets more features and functions older hardware starts to lag under the horsepower requirements. I had a 2008 24” iMac that got a little slower with each macOS update until Mavericks made it almost too much to accept. That’s when I bought my current Late 2013 27” iMac and ordered it with an I7 Haswell 3.5Ghz processor. Here it is five years later and High Sierra still runs wicked fast on it. I think the same will be true of iOS. The new A10 and A11 phones will be able to handle future iOS version better than the iPhone 6.

There’s no evil Apple conspiracy, no intentional planned obsolescence, just the march of progress and the dancing between hardware and software to remain functional.

Well, my iPhone 6+ IS dog-slow, especially after upgrading to iOS11.  And I'm not referring to specific apps, but in basic stuff.  Entering text is painfully slow at times in Safari, and it intermittently stalls, jumping from app-to-app, going from portrait-to-landscape and vise-versa is a trial of patience.

It's strange, because my girlfriend also has an iPhone6 and hers is fast as new, and we're both at the same iOS levels.  She actually complains as to how slow it is when she borrows my phone to check something quickly.

Most of this is when the battery is at full charge too.  I know it's not an Apple conspiracy.  I don't feed into that, but there is something else going on.  Perhaps my phone has something physically wrong with it and the OS is simply trying to work around it, or maybe the battery is just so old, I don't know.

I know a few that have similar problems on their iP6, I also know many that don't.  It would just be nice to have a clear, concise reason as to why.  I question whether installing a new battery is even going to make a difference.  I don't want to wait weeks to get a new one, so I'm considering buying a new phone just so I can get some peace.  I have had it for 3.5 years so it's done me well.

Get the battery replacement. Or at least run a benchmark or utility app like Geekbench or CPUDasherX. Conspiracy or not, what you describe is much what I experienced with my iPhone SE.  The apps showed a significant throttling of the CPU, and the phone was a laggy mess. I was contemplating the need for an upgrade. 

After replacing the battery, the CPU runs at full clockspeed at all times, and iOS 11 feels smooth and enjoyable.

StrangeDays said:

atomic101 said:

lkrupp said:

mike54 said:

I hope this works as its meant to, and the measurements are accurate as possible.
(Just a reminder, the original motive for the secretive throttling was to cover up faulty/defective batteries which should of been replaced under warranty/recall. The ageing battery excuse was for the plebs.)

Scurrilous, libelous, unsupported nonsense from a filthy troll. If Apple were to sue you for defamation could you prove your dumbass assertion?

Wow, what a response. Hidden agenda perhaps? How much Apple stock do you own?

Doubt he has any, we're just used to seeing the rantings of hair-brained trolls. 

Not to say you're a troll, but you went on & on about how your SE was "just fine" before iOS 11 "but now its being throttled!" -- not even realizing the feature was implemented in 10.2.1. So your entire rant was nonsense. Sorry, but things that seem clear to non-engineers who don't know anything about the product or software engineering just tend to never be so clear IRL. It's the nature of complex systems. I do this for a living on much less complex systems and even they are never simple.

Such close-mindedness in these forums.  Yes, my "entire rant was nonsense"... even though it was a battery issue the entire time, Apple said that they fully implemented their feature for all models with 10.2.1, so to heck with your observations, right?  Apple spoke and that is the gods honest truth... no debate allowed!

You know what? What if it was implemented in 10.2.1? Does that somehow make it any better?  With the new battery, my phone performance is fantastic.  The benchmarks and app utilities support my observations (search for one of my previous posts for before and after screenshots). So much so that it feels like a new phone. I don’t remember the exact date that my phone stopped running like it first did, but I do remember my utter disappointment at how laggy iOS 11 felt on initial updating. 

Why get hung up on minute details for the sake of winning one over on the other person when the meat of the discussion is still sitting there looking you in the face??? That is, Apple degraded performance of people’s phones without even a hint of a warning, leaving most people to assume it was just the slow pace of technology becoming obsolete.  If my battery was bad enough to fit the criteria of 50% throttling (see my other posts), why couldn’t I even get the courtesy of a notification of this occurrence?  On top of that, why was the battery still “good” and unfit for replacement when I brought it to Apple before the PR campaign hit the streets?  Explain that to me, or at least entertain a collegial conversation about it before calling my discussion all "nonsense”. 

lkrupp said:

mike54 said:

I hope this works as its meant to, and the measurements are accurate as possible.
(Just a reminder, the original motive for the secretive throttling was to cover up faulty/defective batteries which should of been replaced under warranty/recall. The ageing battery excuse was for the plebs.)

Scurrilous, libelous, unsupported nonsense from a filthy troll. If Apple were to sue you for defamation could you prove your dumbass assertion?

Wow, what a response. Hidden agenda perhaps? How much Apple stock do you own?