atomic101

sflocal said:

crowley said:

larrya said:

You guys are pathetic.  Apple cut performance by more than 50% and didn't bother telling anyone, and yet in Apple stores customers were told their batteries were fine, even refusing to provide paid replacements, and were encouraged to purchase new phones.  This is fraud, and the prosecutor's conclusion is uncontested by Apple.  You can love their products, as I do, without wearing blinders.

QFT

This is a classic example of someone able to troll on a forum and try passing off their unfounded, agenda-driven drivel as fact when clearly the poster is about as accurate as a flat-earther.

Sure, it could have been handled better in terms of communication, but everything you are implying (as fact) is just pure nonsense.  This has nothing to do with Apple-fanboyism and everything to do about setting the truth straight.  There is so much fake-news out there that needs to be called-out when people like you come out blazing with fake-news.

Some of it seems to be an exaggeration, but I can confirm that the, "customers were told their batteries were fine, even refusing to provide paid replacements" part was true for me - see previous posts.  They didn't encourage me to purchase a new phone, but their refusal to allow me to even pay the $79 (the price at the time) to replace my battery was simply unbelievable to me.

I can understand the skepticism... but don't be so certain that it's a false statement.

EsquireCats said:

larrya said:

You guys are pathetic.  Apple cut performance by more than 50% and didn't bother telling anyone, and yet in Apple stores customers were told their batteries were fine, even refusing to provide paid replacements, and were encouraged to purchase new phones.  This is fraud, and the prosecutor's conclusion is uncontested by Apple.  You can love their products, as I do, without wearing blinders.

Actually you're pathetic: Apple didn't cut performance by 50% and CPU throttling has always been a device management strategy in the iPhone.

1. iPhones already throttled peak performance prior to these patches. E.g. For temperature extremes and preserving battery life.
2. The changes in iOS 10.2 and 11.2 extended the CPU throttling features to untenable battery scenarios - i.e. situations which would normally turn off the device. Apple acknowledged that unexpected shutdowns were being addressed at the time.
3. The most common worst case scenario resulted in a geek bench score of 2,500 being reduced to 1,500 during a peak load. The device operated at "normal" speeds during other times when the battery was able to supply sufficient power, or not under a stressful load.

Apple cut performance by more than 50%

Not only was peak load not reduced by 50%, but normal device usage was unaffected. Your comment lends to the idea that the phone was suddenly half as fast as before the update - there is no foundation for that.

...and didn't bother telling anyone

It was literally in Apple's statements about the update: "With iOS 10.2.1, Apple made improvements to reduce occurrences of unexpected shutdowns that a small number of users were experiencing with their iPhone."

Of all the devices tested in Geek bench 4 under iOS 10.2.1, the overwhelming majority had no change in performance and the average decrease in peak performance due to the new changes was ~10 - 15% 

So yeah your post is total sensationalist crap, and I think that's pathetic.

"3. The most common worst case scenario resulted in a geek bench score of 2,500 being reduced to 1,500 during a peak load. The device operated at "normal" speeds during other times when the battery was able to supply sufficient power, or not under a stressful load."


I can attest to this being wrong.  My device (iPhone SE) would function at 50% CPU speed and STAY that way.  No matter if the device was fully charged or plugged in.  This from a battery that still tested "ok" by Apple techs.  The situation only resolved itself after Apple admitted to their shennanigans and I was "allowed" to replace my battery.   I posted before and after screenshots two years ago indicating this.  THIS is where my bitterness still stems from...

People here are so defensive about the company.  Sometimes even fans need to take their blinders off every now and then.

chaicka said:

Americans are really strange at times. Why would one prefer to have their iPhones crashing instead of having it run stably but at slightly reduced speed, esp when most times that performance degradation isn’t noticeable.

I was among those who had random crashing and auto-shutdown (think was iPhone 6s) which was getting very irritating. It was only much later that it was announced as a battery quality issue and a recall program initiated.

The missing piece here is that for a time, the public was not made aware of what was happening to their phones.  I'm fairly tech-savvy, and even I simply speculated that the slowdown in my phone's performance was just the result of normal software bloat and iOS software progression.  At the time, my 1 year old iPhone SE felt strangely sluggish, and scrolling within some apps would noticeably lag and stutter.  After some investigating, I realized that my CPU was downclocked to a near constant 50%.... and they weren't just "momentary" dips like some are made to believe.

Then of course there was the fiasco where Apple techs refused to let me BUY a replacement battery for it, claiming that their tests showed that it was still a healthy battery and that they were not allowed to perform the service unless the test indicated otherwise.  Talk about infuriating.  For the record, this is BEFORE Apple came out with the revised battery replacement program, after which I was "allowed" to make the replacement and my phone's performance returned to 100%.

At the end of the day, Apple bowed to the public pressure and made good on their mistakes (and offered transparency to what was going on)... but it took a bit of haggling to get there.  These lawsuits are a bit overdone at this point, but I think it's fitting that Apple has to deal with a bit of baggage for some misguided decision making.  If the consumers were legitimately burdened by this ordeal, then the company should share in that frustration.

usersinceos1 said:

iOS works beautifully on my SE. Sure, there are a few minor bugs, like any other OS.

I wish I could say the same.  It works beautifully on my iPad Pro, but not as much on my phone.  Hopefully future updates to the OS and apps alleviates this concern.  But right now it almost feels like my SE is running in "Low Power Mode" for the battery.  Will keep my hopes up!

I am on the fence about the 13.1 update on my iPhone SE, and I almost wonder if remaining on iOS 12 would have been better in the end.  Despite the claims of many reviews, I've found that the update has impacted the performance of the device.  The UI and scrolling have taken a hit, and even swiping between the home screen pages causes noticeable judder.  While most of the native Apple apps seem to work fine, some third party apps exhibit significant slowdown (i.e. the NHL app).  I wonder if the additional OS memory and multitasking overhead has finally overwhelmed the SE's specs.