atomic101

brucemc said:

atomic101 said:

StrangeDays said:

atomic101 said:

MacPro said:

"  ... including the ability to toggle the power management feature for iPhone models with aging batteries."  The toggle should say 'Sensible mode' and 'Idiot mode.'

False. But kudos for the pretentious name calling. 

The insistence that the throttlling is only for old batteries is inaccurate. Unless you consider a one year old battery with no prior instances of performance issues to be fair game for a 50-66% CPU downclock. 

Unless you performed 2-3 full cycles a day, a 1-year-old battery won’t be failing the impedance check (unless it’s defective). But previously you said your phone was fine on iOS 10 until you upgraded to 11, which is at odds with the peak power draw throttling being introduced in 10.2.1 almost a year ago. 

I agree. The battery should be and likely still is fine. But yet I'm seeing (In benchmarks, device status apps) and feeling (lag, stutters, long loading, etc) significant slowdown in the clock.

Like I mentioned in my last post, I suspect Apple's implementation of the throttling is very aggressive and might be flagging devices based on a loose basis. If the throttling was intended to be a fix/patch for defective batteries in the iPhone 6 line of phones, it's possible that this implementation is done in a "better safe than sorry" fashion.  As in, "Your battery is probably fine, but since it's a year old and meets x or y condition, we'll apply the tweak just in case!". Makes sense from a liability standpoint I suppose, but the lack of disclosure backfired for the company in other ways. 

And yes, the tweak was first introduced in iOS 10.2.1, but has likely been expanded to other models in later releases. Remember, I have an iPhone SE, which was not the original target of the patch.... But has since been disclosed by Apple to be part of the throttling. 

Oh, and another thing.... I have a work iPhone SE that is only a few months old, running the same iOS and many of the same apps. Side by side, there's a palpable difference in performance. 

I recall you saying these same things about 3 weeks ago.

So what was the diagnosis from Apple when you took your phone in for a service check?

Nothing yet. I am contemplating waiting for the ios update before having the battery replaced. Chicken or the egg scenario here as replacing the battery now will eliminate the option of evaluating Apple's software solution to the issue. 

StrangeDays said:

atomic101 said:

MacPro said:

"  ... including the ability to toggle the power management feature for iPhone models with aging batteries."  The toggle should say 'Sensible mode' and 'Idiot mode.'

False. But kudos for the pretentious name calling. 

The insistence that the throttlling is only for old batteries is inaccurate. Unless you consider a one year old battery with no prior instances of performance issues to be fair game for a 50-66% CPU downclock. 

Unless you performed 2-3 full cycles a day, a 1-year-old battery won’t be failing the impedance check (unless it’s defective). But previously you said your phone was fine on iOS 10 until you upgraded to 11, which is at odds with the peak power draw throttling being introduced in 10.2.1 almost a year ago. 

I agree. The battery should be and likely still is fine. But yet I'm seeing (In benchmarks, device status apps) and feeling (lag, stutters, long loading, etc) significant slowdown in the clock.

Like I mentioned in my last post, I suspect Apple's implementation of the throttling is very aggressive and might be flagging devices based on a loose basis. If the throttling was intended to be a fix/patch for defective batteries in the iPhone 6 line of phones, it's possible that this implementation is done in a "better safe than sorry" fashion.  As in, "Your battery is probably fine, but since it's a year old and meets x or y condition, we'll apply the tweak just in case!". Makes sense from a liability standpoint I suppose, but the lack of disclosure backfired for the company in other ways. 

And yes, the tweak was first introduced in iOS 10.2.1, but has likely been expanded to other models in later releases. Remember, I have an iPhone SE, which was not the original target of the patch.... But has since been disclosed by Apple to be part of the throttling. 

Oh, and another thing.... I have a work iPhone SE that is only a few months old, running the same iOS and many of the same apps. Side by side, there's a palpable difference in performance. 

Cesar Battistini Maziero said:

atomic101 said:

MacPro said:

"  ... including the ability to toggle the power management feature for iPhone models with aging batteries."  The toggle should say 'Sensible mode' and 'Idiot mode.'

False. But kudos for the pretentious name calling. 

The insistence that the throttlling is only for old batteries is inaccurate. Unless you consider a one year old battery with no prior instances of performance issues to be fair game for a 50-66% CPU downclock. 

False, the throttling is far from 55% let alone 66%!!! Mine was less than 12% before the battery replacement. 30% when on high usage activities.

And IT IS idiotic choosing constant random resets and app crashes over a small decrease in performance.

If it bothers you so much just change the old depleted battery for cheap with Apple.

Very worth it!

With replacing the battery, now that Apple will "let" me officially replace the battery, it is certainly in my agenda of things to do. I previously tried to have it replaced and was told that my battery was within tolerances of Apple's diagnostics and that they would not change it, but this was before Apple announced the battery program. Mind you, I went there with the full intent to pay the original $79 for the service - I wasn't asking for a free/warranty replacement. 

I am tempted to wait until this new iOS update is released to test the battery analysis options prior to changing it out.  Part of it is just curiousity and the techie in me, but then I can at least validate how much of an "idiot" I am. 😉

Cesar Battistini Maziero said:

atomic101 said:

MacPro said:

"  ... including the ability to toggle the power management feature for iPhone models with aging batteries."  The toggle should say 'Sensible mode' and 'Idiot mode.'

False. But kudos for the pretentious name calling. 

The insistence that the throttlling is only for old batteries is inaccurate. Unless you consider a one year old battery with no prior instances of performance issues to be fair game for a 50-66% CPU downclock. 

False, the throttling is far from 55% let alone 66%!!! Mine was less than 12% before the battery replacement. 30% when on high usage activities.

And IT IS idiotic choosing constant random resets and app crashes over a small decrease in performance.

If it bothers you so much just change the old depleted battery for cheap with Apple.

Very worth it!

Thanks for letting me know your experiences.  Please be aware that your experiences do not speak for everyone else. You are lucky that your unannounced throttling is/was less than what I and others have been saddled with.

My 1 year old SE downclocks anywhere from 1500MHz to 600MHz. This is a very perceptible slowdown, with many apps becoming a stuttery chore to use. Miraculously, at full battery charge, the CPU comes back to near or full speed and everything works like a charm again. 

Never experienced random shutdowns prior to the ios update. 

I suspect that while Apple may have had good intentions with the feature, the implementation is too aggressive or perhaps too much of a blanket solution.  Such that, even  healthy batteries are given the downclock treatment when a more elegant solution would have excepted them. 

Informing the consumer of this tweak and offering a choice would have been the right thing to do. I applaud the fact seekers who unearthed this issue and forced Apple's hand to come forward. 

MacPro said:

"  ... including the ability to toggle the power management feature for iPhone models with aging batteries."  The toggle should say 'Sensible mode' and 'Idiot mode.'

False. But kudos for the pretentious name calling. 

The insistence that the throttlling is only for old batteries is inaccurate. Unless you consider a one year old battery with no prior instances of performance issues to be fair game for a 50-66% CPU downclock.