atomic101

StrangeDays said:

atomic101 said:

StrangeDays said:

atomic101 said:

entropys said:

Atomic, I doubt your SE is being throttled if your battery is performing at 86% capacity. Have you considered you have an older generation CPU trying to run the latest generation OS?

I find it fascinating that people buy an older gen device expecting it to last as long as latest gen devices, and perform as well when software optimised for those latest gen, more powerful devices is installed. There is a reason they don’t cost as much.

also, if you are so desperate to replace the battery in your out of warranty device, there are any number of mall shops that would do it for you. Heck you could do it yourself!

Read my post. The phone increases its throttle level by battery charge level. What I didn’t mention was that at 100% charge, the CPU is at full speed. Yes.... the full 1850 MHz for the first few minutes of use. By the time the charge drops a few points, we’re at 1500 MHz, and the stutters begin to mount.  Below 90%, it’s usually at 1200 MHz, and from there you can expect it to bounce around from 1200 to 911 MHz until below 70% charge. So for the majority of my day, my phone acts and feels not like a still capable iPhone SE, but like my older iPhone 5S.  The gradual throttling is palpable. I can feel it in the increased lag and stutters as the clock speed decreases. Geekbench and my own fingers prove it.

Until upgrading to iOS 11, the phone was perfectly speedy.  No issues with battery life, no jumping battery charge indications, and no unexpected shutdowns. It was very nice of Apple to add this feature to my 15 month old phone to make sure I knew that there was flashy new product on the shelf. 

Hate to burst your conspiracy bubble, but this wasn’t an iOS 11 feature. 10.2.1 or such. Oops. Now whatcha gonna blame?

Sounds to me your non-speedy SE is simply older hardware running a new OS and is normal. 

Gotcha gotcha. The feature initially rolled out for specific phones for a specific bug. Who is to say that Apple hasn't rolled out the feature in more devices and/or tweaked it's characteristics in iOS 11?

Yes and who is to say the moon's core isn't comprised of braised short ribs?

Oh brother... I should have known better than to try to bring a dissenting opinion to an Apple apologist forum.  I'm no longer interested in defending myself among a pack of wolves who seem to be fighting to maintain an Apple stock price in light of some very bad press.  Not everyone with a negative comment against an Apple policy is a troll or ignoramus.

For the few of you on these forums with an open-mind, I thank you for your constructive comments and discussion.  Apple was caught red-handed doing something that was not in line with public expectations of the company.  They are and will continue to suffer the consequences from this aftermath.  I am generally not supportive of the litigious nature of our country, but I feel that some of this blow back is well deserved.  There are many reasonable and intelligent people who agree with this. 

I will be swapping out my battery in the next few weeks and will return with an update on my situation, but I won't be engaging in any more discussion on this topic until then.

StrangeDays said:

atomic101 said:

entropys said:

Atomic, I doubt your SE is being throttled if your battery is performing at 86% capacity. Have you considered you have an older generation CPU trying to run the latest generation OS?

I find it fascinating that people buy an older gen device expecting it to last as long as latest gen devices, and perform as well when software optimised for those latest gen, more powerful devices is installed. There is a reason they don’t cost as much.

also, if you are so desperate to replace the battery in your out of warranty device, there are any number of mall shops that would do it for you. Heck you could do it yourself!

Read my post. The phone increases its throttle level by battery charge level. What I didn’t mention was that at 100% charge, the CPU is at full speed. Yes.... the full 1850 MHz for the first few minutes of use. By the time the charge drops a few points, we’re at 1500 MHz, and the stutters begin to mount.  Below 90%, it’s usually at 1200 MHz, and from there you can expect it to bounce around from 1200 to 911 MHz until below 70% charge. So for the majority of my day, my phone acts and feels not like a still capable iPhone SE, but like my older iPhone 5S.  The gradual throttling is palpable. I can feel it in the increased lag and stutters as the clock speed decreases. Geekbench and my own fingers prove it.

Until upgrading to iOS 11, the phone was perfectly speedy.  No issues with battery life, no jumping battery charge indications, and no unexpected shutdowns. It was very nice of Apple to add this feature to my 15 month old phone to make sure I knew that there was flashy new product on the shelf. 

Hate to burst your conspiracy bubble, but this wasn’t an iOS 11 feature. 10.2.1 or such. Oops. Now whatcha gonna blame?

Sounds to me your non-speedy SE is simply older hardware running a new OS and is normal. 

Gotcha gotcha. The feature initially rolled out for specific phones for a specific bug. Who is to say that Apple hasn't rolled out the feature in more devices and/or tweaked it's characteristics in iOS 11?

I'm taken aback by how sure everyone who isn't affected by this feature is of themselves.  I guess I would be skeptical too if I was in your shoes.  Simply stating my observations and personal experiences as a long time iPhone user (nearly 9 years now). 

I am observing the phone getting slower as the battery ticks down from 100%. I have never had the problems on my previous 7 or so devices. If it's just an OS encumberance, the performance should be relatively stable throughout the day. It shouldn't slow down like clockwork as my battery reaches 70% charge. 

macplusplus said:

atomic101 said:

lkrupp said:

What we’re seeing right now is unadulterated hysteria. Every user who even suspects their phone is running slower will now be absolutely 100% sure it’s Apple doing the dirty deed on them. We’ll just need to let the legal process work its way through and hope intelligence and evidence rules the day, not hysteria and conspiracy theories.

Agreed that some will try to take advantage of this situation. There will be dishonesty throughout. I’m trying to stand up for those who are not part of that group and who have truly been done a disservice by a questionably shady business decision on Apple’s part.  

What... You are not eligible to have any control on the throttling of your device or your computer. Did you sign a contract with Apple or any other computer manufacturer to not throttle your computer? You buy their hardware knowing in advance that the operating system performs thermal management to protect your computer from burning up. Now you can't say "I am cheated...." If your smartphone explodes in your ass pocket Geekbench won’t save your ass.

Then as a company, when I go to have it tested/replaced, don't tell me that my battery is "good". 

Soli said:

atomic101 said:

entropys said:

Atomic, I doubt your SE is being throttled if your battery is performing at 86% capacity. Have you considered you have an older generation CPU trying to run the latest generation OS?

I find it fascinating that people buy an older gen device expecting it to last as long as latest gen devices, and perform as well when software optimised for those latest gen, more powerful devices is installed. There is a reason they don’t cost as much.

also, if you are so desperate to replace the battery in your out of warranty device, there are any number of mall shops that would do it for you. Heck you could do it yourself!

You guys act like anyone who expresses an opinion that is contrary to the Apple party line is ignorant.

Not at all. It's when someone makes bold claims without citing any evidence to back up their point that it definitely paint a picture of being ignorant. You quantified nothing about performance. Not a single timing of actual how the OS and apps are affected between swapping batteries. No specific benchmarks listed. No mention of the number of battery cycles that had been used. Not even a screenshot of the Settings showing the battery was bad.

Do you really think that the iFixit battery is going to have more longevity than an Apple battery? It's anecdotal, but my experience of having bought countless batteries from various sources that cheap, 3rd-party vendors tend to have batteries that wear out much more quickly. Amazon has plenty of reviews of cheap, 3rd-party batteries that seem like a great deal but then crap out very quickly. It's difficult technology to get right. I hope your iFixit battery is top quality just as I hope Apple hasn't decided to go with a lesser quality battery than they try to put in their new products because these iPhones are already well used, more likely not to make it another 3+ years, and to reduce costs of having already stripped the price by $50; and let's not forget the the cost of lawsuits which users always end up paying for.

Bold claims? These are the same issues that others have been bringing to the attention of the public. Apple IS throttling phones. I am just providing my two cents from a very personal frustration and bringing to attention that even relatively healthy batteries are being lumped into the "throttle" category. I didn't realize that every dissenting opinion needed detailed evidence and screenshots else be completely invalidated and attacked. However, I do feel strongly about this issue (hence my joining the forums for the first time), and will be compiling some screenshots for your consideration. The observation of gradual throttling has now become a daily hobby of mine, as I benchmark throughout my day to verify the degrading effects. 

And the battery doesn't test bad! It tests as Good! Even with third party apps! Hence my frustration with the throttling!

I'm confused about your comment about the iFixit battery.  First of all, I have not yet had the battery replaced. Second of all, the ifixit solution was not my first choice.... I wanted an official Apple solution until being denied that repair (mind you I was going to pay for it as I do not have an extended Apple Care warranty).

The fact that they flat out denied a repair that I was willing to pay $79 for was suspicious, not to mention infuriating. I wasted an hour of my day only to be told that "your battery tests as good, and Apple will not allow us to change the battery for you.". This makes no sense to me.... If the consumer wants an authorized dealer to replace a part that they are paying for, you change the part!  This happened on December 21st, which was before Apple issued their public apology and changed their replacement policy. 

I plan to wait until Apple relases their iOS update that addresses this issue.  I'm curious if my phone is simply falling victim to a programming bug that is throttling the CPU even though the battery tests fine. Perhaps with all the public scrutiny, Apple will "adjust" their feature to give more leeway to devices with healthy batteries. 

lkrupp said:

What we’re seeing right now is unadulterated hysteria. Every user who even suspects their phone is running slower will now be absolutely 100% sure it’s Apple doing the dirty deed on them. We’ll just need to let the legal process work its way through and hope intelligence and evidence rules the day, not hysteria and conspiracy theories.

Agreed that some will try to take advantage of this situation. There will be dishonesty throughout. I’m trying to stand up for those who are not part of that group and who have truly been done a disservice by a questionably shady business decision on Apple’s part.