nicholfd

elijahg said:

nicholfd said:

You provided no proof against my possibilities.  You continue to state your opinion as fact, which it is not.

In response to your reply, I made no comments/statements about Apple's supply chain.  Not even an inference.

Please read my replies again, without the attitude or emotions.

It is possible that your opinions prevents you from seeing other possibilities.

My proof was the fact that Apple has an excellent supply chain, therefore component availability was not an issue. And as I said, HomePods from 2018 were being sold in 2021 so they were in storage from way before COVID hit supply chains. It really isn't that complicated to understand.

You still apparently believe that it is only an opinion that Apple has an excellent supply chain, an "opinion" you apparently don't share?

nicholfd said:
Component availability, production capacity availability, etc.  COVID was happening... 

Component availability and production capacity. What are those two things if not supply chain?

Let me help you.

Supply Chain Management: Ensure Component Availability at ... - Altium

Ensuring availability in the supply chain | BCS

Global electronics supply chain shows promise for 2023 | ZDNET

The big challenges for supply chains in 2022 - World Economic Forum

Supply Chain Capacity Planning: How Communication Rifts Lead To ...

Is that enough or would you like more? 

If my statements backed by facts are actually opinion, then what are your statements? Fact, I suppose, and not your opinion?

Still looking for proof...  You have inside information regarding the components that the original HomePod requires?  You have inside information regarding where it was produced & production capacity?  You have inside information regarding when Apple planned to release the 2nd gen HomePod?   Nope - I didn't think so.  

Just more supposition.  That's my point.  YOU DO NOT KNOW!  I DO NOT KNOW.  Rest is simple BS.  Period.

Correlation does not indicate causation.

elijahg said:

nicholfd said:

elijahg said:

nicholfd said:

Component availability, production capacity availability, etc.  COVID was happening...

Yeah the 2018 manufacture date of HomePods delivered in 2021 really supports that theory too. I know, maybe they couldn't get components so they had to use their backup supply from 2018? Looking forward to how you twist that one.

You really need to re-read what I wrote.  I didn't twist anything.  I make no statements of fact - only possibilities.  

You're claiming fact without any proof - only speculation & opinion..

And yet I completely refuted your "possibilities". As I said, it is well known that Apple has an excellent supply chain. But since this is apparently only my "opinion" and not the truth, you must believe that they in fact have a crap supply chain and want product sat around in warehouses for years. 

You provided no proof against my possibilities.  You continue to state your opinion as fact, which it is not.

In response to your reply, I made no comments/statements about Apple's supply chain.  Not even an inference.

Please read my replies again, without the attitude or emotions.

It is possible that your opinions prevents you from seeing other possibilities.

elijahg said:

nicholfd said:

Component availability, production capacity availability, etc.  COVID was happening...

Yeah the 2018 manufacture date of HomePods delivered in 2021 really supports that theory too. I know, maybe they couldn't get components so they had to use their backup supply from 2018? Looking forward to how you twist that one.

You really need to re-read what I wrote.  I didn't twist anything.  I make no statements of fact - only possibilities.  

You're claiming fact without any proof - only speculation & opinion..

elijahg said:

nicholfd said:

elijahg said:

nicholfd said:

charlesn said:

Wow. This one is a head scratcher for me. I can't ever remember a tech product failing in the market and then being brought back shortly after in essentially identical form.  

Uh - maybe because it didn't fail?

Apple never made any statements about poor sells, or how it did in the market.  Apple never made any statements about why the 1st gen was discontinued.

So what do you base your "failing in the market" statement on?  Hopefully not ANALyst who pull shit out of their ass... 

PS - we have 8 x 1st gen HomePods.

It failed. It was too expensive (why else did Apple cut the price? Apple never cuts prices), and restricted to Apple’s own ecosystem. Those issues haven’t been resolved but at least it’s$m $50 less than the old one, though missing some hardware soo really about the same price. 

Besides, just before it was discontinued people were buying them and the serial number indicated a manufacturing date of 2018. You think Apple wanted to have HomePods sat around in warehouses for 3 years unsold?

No proof in your statement that it failed.  You're welcome to your opinion, but no evidence provided.

Billions of people in Apple's ecosystem.  For most, that's not a con & definitely not any indication of failure.

"Those issues haven't been resolved" - what issues?  All of ours work just fine, and were purchased from release date until discontinue date of the 1st gen.  Most of ours are definitely from different production batches - we generally bought one at a time, and only 1 x pair purchased together.

Sure Apple cuts prices.  New Mac mini M2 is $100 cheaper than previous version.  The new HomePod is released at $50 cheaper than the previous version release price.

So people got old inventory?  So what?  Doesn't mean there was old inventory everywhere or that old inventory was the only inventory.  

People always want to jump to conclusions...  

I literally provided proof which you chose to ignore. 

Apple doesn’t cut prices of products mid-cycle. 

You’re evidently clueless as to how warehousing works. You really think Apple shoves new stock at the front of a massive shelf in their warehouse then only pick from the front so that inventory never gets turned over? Apple’s well known for its tight inventory control, stock sat in warehouses costs money. In any case why have people never received old stock with any other product? 

Why did Apple cancel it if it was anything but a failure? 

You’re making the most absurd statements to try and support your ridiculous conclusion despite all the evidence pointing to the contrary. 

You provided no proof - only speculation & opinion.  Look up those definitions.

Price cuts - see other posts after mine - they have cut prices mid-cycle.  And now you're moving the goal posts.  That's not what you originally said...

I'm not clueless - just calling out speculation & opinion when I see it.

Canceling - see above.  

What statement of mine is absurd?  If you're going to call it out, at least quote it.

elijahg said:

nicholfd said:

charlesn said:

Wow. This one is a head scratcher for me. I can't ever remember a tech product failing in the market and then being brought back shortly after in essentially identical form.  

Uh - maybe because it didn't fail?

Apple never made any statements about poor sells, or how it did in the market.  Apple never made any statements about why the 1st gen was discontinued.

So what do you base your "failing in the market" statement on?  Hopefully not ANALyst who pull shit out of their ass... 

PS - we have 8 x 1st gen HomePods.

It failed. It was too expensive (why else did Apple cut the price? Apple never cuts prices), and restricted to Apple’s own ecosystem. Those issues haven’t been resolved but at least it’s$m $50 less than the old one, though missing some hardware soo really about the same price. 

Besides, just before it was discontinued people were buying them and the serial number indicated a manufacturing date of 2018. You think Apple wanted to have HomePods sat around in warehouses for 3 years unsold?

No proof in your statement that it failed.  You're welcome to your opinion, but no evidence provided.

Billions of people in Apple's ecosystem.  For most, that's not a con & definitely not any indication of failure.

"Those issues haven't been resolved" - what issues?  All of ours work just fine, and were purchased from release date until discontinue date of the 1st gen.  Most of ours are definitely from different production batches - we generally bought one at a time, and only 1 x pair purchased together.

Sure Apple cuts prices.  New Mac mini M2 is $100 cheaper than previous version.  The new HomePod is released at $50 cheaper than the previous version release price.

So people got old inventory?  So what?  Doesn't mean there was old inventory everywhere or that old inventory was the only inventory.  

People always want to jump to conclusions...