SEJU

rob53 said:

macxpress said:

M68000 said:

Looking forward to watching real world reviews of this new computer and monitor.  Yes it may seem expensive, but when you think that it's possible to get 10 years out of a computer this powerful and this monitor will certainly not be obsolete any time soon - is it really that expensive over time ?   Instead of buying 2 or 3 high end desktops\laptops in 10 years - just buy this... 

I think it all depends on what you're doing. I doubt any serious professional (company) is gonna buy one and expect it to last 10yrs. For most companies the standard length they keep a computer around (Mac or PC) is 3yrs before its considered EOL (End of Life). That doesn't mean its useless, its just a standard some companies go by. 

3 years might be standard for PCs but it never was for Macs, at least not where I worked. I'd say the new Mac Pro could easily last for 5-7 years because of the modularity of the system. The motherboard would need to be replaced to upgrade to faster bus speeds but Thunderbolt 4 and PCIe5 are still in the approval stage and there comes a time when some things are just fast enough for the current software applications. 

I am not sure, but to my knowledge PCIe 4 has been in adoption for some time and PCIe 5 is to be considered final or almost final. How often has Apple gone with draft standards? WiFi N anyone remembers? No way they will offer motherboard replacement when they finally willl adopt 4 or 5. You will have to buy a new one...

When I bought my MP 5.1 in 2010 PCIe 3 was standard, but Apple used PCIe 2 .... great!

To me the PCIe standard is probably the most important piece in this equation

I have to admit that my judgment on the Mac Pro is suspended until I get all facts and specs in autumn, though first impression is great!

For what it is worth I will never buy either a Mini nor an iMac, for my usage case they are not acceptable. I am currently a proud owner of a Mac Pro 5.1 12 3,46, which is still going strong.

I might consider a new Mac Pro in a few years time, since I won’t buy first generation nor PCIe 3.0, ten years after it has been introduced. That is also why I never updated to the 2013 MP ... no update ...

Nevertheless, the price for the base config of the 2019 MP appears too high for what you get and I am already afraid of Apple’s euro adjusted price !!! I suspect 2019 MP base config + Apple care = 7000,- to 8000,- euro

Hello everyone, I would like to let you know that the great Matthew Taylor started a change.org petition in order to put some pressure on Apple to do the right thing.

https://www.change.org/p/apple-apple-recall-macbook-pro-w-defective-keyboard-replace-with-different-working-keyboard

In case you agree please sign up + share the campaign through your network. Currently there are over 9000 participants after only 2 days.

Incase you did not encounter this problem yet, please keep in mind that this could happen to you just like to so many other people and you would face a repairbill of 700,- euro/$ + repair fee!

From my perspective it would be ok to
- guaranty out of warranty repair for the keyboard to everyone,
- lower the price for the repair to something more reasonable
- come up with a revisited more reliable version of the keyboard to use in case a repair is needed
or any combination thereof.

I also would like to thank Mike Wuerthele again for the article. That is called journalism, bravo!

StrangeDays said:

rogifan_new said:

StrangeDays said:

rogifan_new said:

MacPro said:

SEJU said:

Ok, but if the price would have been comparable to the previous generations, they would have sold more. The configuration I usually purchase would have cost me 1500 or so. I hope they will bring down the price to where it used to be over the next generations, but I doubt they will do so...

Sold more maybe but at less profit. It's about profits not volume.

BS. If nobody is buying your product it doesn’t matter how much profit it would make. It’s a balance of maximizing both.

Such a silly thing to say. A scenario where "nobody" is buying the product is not in this universe. The topic being discussed is the claimed notion that Apple should undercut its profits and go for volume/marketshare -- the same, exact, stupid argument made by newbs about Apple every single year and launch. Amazed you're still clinging to it. Apple doesn't has never worshipped at the Church of Market Share. it goes for solid profit first, volume later. Obviously, they're right and this strategy has worked for them. Anyone claiming they should do otherwise is foolish.

I disagree with the notion that someone arguing the X is a bit too expensive means they’re arguing Apple needs to go for market share over profits. Apple’s profit this quarter was $13B. Last quarter $19B. Nobody is posting quarterly profits like that. Before iPhone X was anyone here arguing iPhones weren’t expensive enough and Apple wasn’t making enough profit? I’m not saying the X is overpriced. What I am saying is if someone else thinks it is it doesn’t mean they want Apple in a race to the bottom. Arguing that something cheaper than $1000 is a race to the bottom or just chasing after market share is nonsense.

No, it’s just mindless splitting of hairs. Armchair CEO masturbation and nothing more. Certainly not meaningful discussion. Your moving of the goalposts isn’t worth the time it’s taking to type these replies. 

This thread is fun!

Sorry, but the first time I used a computer was in elementary school in the mid 80s and we used BASIC to program them, rock solid machines. Then there was DOS and something else very terrible ;0). When I switched at university first to SGI and at the same time to Macs in the mid 90s I never looked back. We used to let the whole university network work on our tasks, distributed, multiple machines crunching data, UNIX heaven. The dean probably only wondered why his computer became so slow suddenly ;0)

That is why the day Apple switched to OSX I opened a bottle. Unix and what I would call the solidity of Apple hardware. I require both and I am more than happy to pay for my tools.

In 2016 I bought the MBP, which cost me 4700,- euro. Most expensive laptop I ever bought from Apple by far!

No questions asked just paid cash, no credit card, no financing, just like I do for my cars and everything else.

You know what: there has never been a machine I had more problems with and I treat my computers in a way that after 5 years they look as new! (My iPhones and iPads look as new ... without case!)

The MBP 2016 crashes when I unplug the audio interface. The keyboard broke and Apple had to exchange top case, which would have cost me 700 euro parts alone if I had no Apple Care for a broken piece of hardware worth 1 cent. While exchanging the keyboard Apple broke a connector on the logic board and they had to change it twice, the display started having dark patched on it and got exchanged. After 18 months?

I am aware that I am mixing different topics. iPad and iPhones are sealed, have no moving parts, etc. But when prices go up and reliability goes down hardware and software wise I am not ok. I know reliability of computers and phones are two different shoes, but this is not about the X. I do not care about a single product, I care about Apple and my tools. I am thrilled that so many people buy the X at the price it is sold. Although as I said, I personally would not buy a phone at that price, but everyone else should, maybe buy even several, why not one for each pocket, because that pays for my Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, etc. Great!

I am not bashing Apple, I find Tim and the team does a terrific job. It is probably unreasonable to some, but when I saw the prices go up over the whole line of products (iOS and macOS devices) over the last 5 years, and had certain experiences with their quality, software and hardware wise... Maybe it is just some sort of Pavlov's reflex where I associate one experience with another? Could be I sure hope so!

The day Steve introduced the iPhone I bought shares, but most of all I was happy that finally a phone synced with my Mac. But that is how I see it: My Phone is an extension of my Mac and ultimately of my terminal command line. The day someone takes away my command line, the terminal, etc. something will change for me. I have iOS devices because i use Macs, not the other way round. The X is great and amazing, tried it, great product, but no terminal there ;0)

asdasd said:

Is it though? These analysts are paid to give advice to investors. Their companies charge some investors and institutions money to access the full reports.

Unless there is a secret document or email list where they say the opposite privately of what they say publicly I can't see how this would work for them. 

You are absolutely right. On the other hand I do not understand all the discussion about analysts. I never ever based an investment decision on the opinion or data of a so called analyst. Sometimes their speculation is fun, but that is it.

The only thing I trust are fundamentals, technology development, and so on. I do my research and invest in areas I have some expertise in. When I wrote that some people might have made money with it I was referring to the fact that for the last 15 years all this dance has become almost a ritual and the old “buy on rumour, sell on news” more true that ever.

(Stop ... now I recall. The first investment I made, after high school, 70 percent were based on my research and 30 percent were investments chosen according to ratings and therefore analysts. I earned with mine and lost with theirs. Never done that again. With hindsight it is almost funny.)