ElCapitan

sflocal said:

KidGloves said:

Blah, Blah, Blah Daniel... For all the money Apple generates from Mac sales you would think they could offer an option in the middle ground between the Mini and the Pro. Dell, HP and the rest can sell LOADS of different product lines and still make a profit. A Mac user has only one place to go to buy a Mac and Apple offers severely limited choices. Imagine if BMW offered only the 1 Series, 2 Series, and the 7 Series. That's the state of desktop Mac options. 

I'm sick reading you banging on about how smart and profitable Apple is. As you say, the Mac division on its own would be a Fortune 500 company. When did they last truly innovate? Have you seen some of the recent PC hardware? It might not all be perfect but they try. Apple design for me has been getting lazy for years. The whole trash can Mac Pro was possibly the worst bit of design in Apple's history. All the users wanted was a powerful box they could stick under their desks, maybe fit some cards into for specialist pro tasks, and not really think about at all. Instead, they got something that's beautiful to look (well at least until it has wires spewing out all over the place) but not much more useful than a Mac Mini for professional tasks. It's then left for years without a single update. Absolutely crazy for a Fortune 500 sized outfit.

The new Pro looks amazing but it's targeted at a very small niche audience. I and a lot of people like me need something bigger than a Mini and smaller than a Pro. A Mac Middle if you will...

- it's better to buy a new machine with newer technology, ...

commentzilla said:

hmurchison said:

Nope. 

Based on past history of just abandoning anything that takes a modicum of effort 
it would be unwise for those who are not of the Apple Sheep cloth to put much faith 
in Apple being consistent with any product at this level.    You only need look at 

5.  OS X Server turning into a toy 

Apple’s spent their money on AI companies and other ancillary technologies but they haven’t spent much effort 
into growing their Pro apps beyond routine small features and maintenance updates. 

I’d trust Apple if I had a few workstations to purchase but I’d be wary with committing to anything more than that. 

All of OS X Server's functionality is still there via the command line. In fact, it's in every copy of MacOS.

sandor said:

ElCapitan said:

lkrupp said:

ElCapitan said:

lkrupp said:

Well written as usual. Unfortunately the crowd that incessantly clamors for the slotted tower of olden days at a consumer level price will not be convinced even though they have had the Hackintosh option for years now. It’s a shrinking niche as pointed out but that niche is angry and vocal so we have to put up with all the bullshit about it.

And that was the village idiot comment of the day!

Apparently the shoe fits on you. And I see your fellow choir members have already started to chime in, beating the dead horse again and again. 

Actually I think most are done beating that horse after Apple threw every macOS Server user out to fend for themselves on other platforms.
The only bit they threw at people was a mediocre "migration" paper that did not even cover some of the most important services. 

Current trash-can users probably feel the same way too. – If they still exist.

Timmy should be ashamed of himself, and they way the company have handled a large number of customers who used to be all-Apple shops. 

The last "golden age" of business & Macintosh was really 2002-2012.

We adopted the Xserve, Xserve RAID, Final Cut Pro hit its stride. OS X Server was robust & capable. 

We had a decade of adoption, and then over the past 7 years have watched support be pulled out from under that foundation that was built for a decade.

Now we sit with 100s of TBs of fibre arrays, an aging 2012 MacPro loaded with 128 GB of RAM & dozens of internal TBs of storage.
A "Server" that we had to stop updating a few years ago because Apple decided the majority of server tasks are not necessary...


The frustration stems from businesses investing in what seemed like a commitment, but what turned out to be a fling. 

lkrupp said:

ElCapitan said:

lkrupp said:

Well written as usual. Unfortunately the crowd that incessantly clamors for the slotted tower of olden days at a consumer level price will not be convinced even though they have had the Hackintosh option for years now. It’s a shrinking niche as pointed out but that niche is angry and vocal so we have to put up with all the bullshit about it.

And that was the village idiot comment of the day!

Apparently the shoe fits on you. And I see your fellow choir members have already started to chime in, beating the dead horse again and again. 

corrections said:

ElCapitan said:

And that was the village idiot comment of the day!

Please don't abuse the comments section with insults that do not add anything to the discussion. Aim higher up on the hierarchy of the disagreement.