ElCapitan

There is one thing that is excessive; the PRICE. 

SpamSandwich said:

ElCapitan said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

ElCapitan said:

There is another alternative: Redesign the damned thing with parts that both can be sourced in the US, and at the same time make the machine more flexible in terms of entry configs (that many have requested), and to use standard memory, disk and graphics cards more readily available. That would also broaden the market for it.

It does use standard memory and can use standard graphics cards. Additionally, the machine and macOS support PCI-E NVME cards (if not the drives directly in a slot), and has two SATA 3.0 ports internal.

I'm not sure how much more standard part support you want.

You and I both know that there is no US manufacturing on this scale to speak of, and there will be no redesign.

There won't, so from now on it is Linux on completely different boxes for everything we used to use Apple kit for. 

Are you an American? If not, what are you worried about?

It was a general comment to the state of many things at Apple that over time has made it unfit for business.
It is most definitely not the company I used to be proud to work for!

The lawsuit is 100% appropriate.

Apple has given the public the impression they store data in their own datacenters, and as Apple provides these services around the planet and customers in different countries should be informed where their data actually is stored so they can make informed decisions if they want to use the service or not.  It probably also has lead customers to believe they got an increased level of privacy (as spouted by Apple marketing), when in reality they got closer to Amazon Web Services, Google and Microsoft base level. If I knew my iCloud data was stored on Google servers, I would have ended the iCloud subscription immediately. 

But of course for ex-Compaq Tim Cook, he don't see the difference.

lkrupp said:

ElCapitan said:

God forbid they ship a Pro model with the features people are asking for.

There is one time to think different, and another time to listen. They thought different on the Pro already and it was not quite the ticket!

... Real pros don’t have time to fiddle-fart around with slots

Do you even understand how stupid you sound? - Or understand how real Pro systems are used?

10 minutes of the Morning Show and there had been enough political correct words for the rest of the year. - Barf!

StrangeDays said:

And are you implying you used to have something to do with Apple management?

I was one of the 33 world-wide product managers at the time with HW prototypes, beta HW including product that never got launched, all development project software versions, and 2 year product plans in my office. 

CNN

corrections said:

ElCapitan said:

And that was the village idiot comment of the day!

Please don't abuse the comments section with insults that do not add anything to the discussion. Aim higher up on the hierarchy of the disagreement.

This Lkrupp character is always dissing everyone who have the slightest disagreement with him, so it is about time he is called out for his own - in his own word; bullshit. 

commentzilla said:

hmurchison said:

Nope. 

Based on past history of just abandoning anything that takes a modicum of effort 
it would be unwise for those who are not of the Apple Sheep cloth to put much faith 
in Apple being consistent with any product at this level.    You only need look at 

5.  OS X Server turning into a toy 

Apple’s spent their money on AI companies and other ancillary technologies but they haven’t spent much effort 
into growing their Pro apps beyond routine small features and maintenance updates. 

I’d trust Apple if I had a few workstations to purchase but I’d be wary with committing to anything more than that. 

All of OS X Server's functionality is still there via the command line. In fact, it's in every copy of MacOS.

Blatantly false.  - See post above.

Customers can get these same services directly from open-source providers.
Which for all practical purposes means a Linux distribution.

Looks like Open Directory is gone from 5.8 too, which cannot easily be swapped for a standard LDAP server. 

elijahg said:

ElCapitan said:

elijahg said:

ElCapitan said:

The rewrite to Metal for cross platform developers is non trivial because the Metal libraries only work with Objective-C or Swift, neither of which are used (if at all) outside dedicated macOS or iOS development. (Yes, IBM has done some work on server side Swift).

In addition, apart from the VR announcement at WWDC 2018, Apple has gone completely silent on the subject. 

Loss of OpenGL, and the lack of a replacement that can work cross platform, will rob the macOS users of a large number of software titles once OpenGL is gone from the platform (macOS 10.16 speculative). 

... but it may end up deprecated. 

It IS deprecated as of macOS 10.14.

If they announce an ARM Mac, there is not a snowball's chance in hell they will have OpenGL support on their own GPUs. (...or use anyone else's GPU for that sake).

Oh I didn't realise it was deprecated already. That's complete madness. As you say above if they remove it then a huge numbers of programs will just stop working. Totally crazy with no foresight to (or ignorance of) the consequences.

It is going to be massacre.

Here are a few 3D content type titles I happen to use: Blender - have said they are not going to port to Metal. DAZ Studio - I can't see they will write a Metal version given the already half hearted macOS support they currently have.  Substance Painter - maybe, but perhaps just maybe given they now are owned by Adobe. Talking about Adobe; don't get me started.

I know of a single person macOS developer for Cheetah 3D who has a really hard struggle porting his application to Metal.

The SecondLife/OpenSim viewers where the developer has not even started on a Metal rewrite for a renderer that is completely proprietary, complex and tuned for dynamic content which Metal does not work particularly good at, as it gains the speed from optimized content known at compile time. The SecondLife/OpenSim content is thrown at the renderer in realtime by users and it not really optimized for anything at all so Metal will struggle (most likely more than OpenGL does is the estimation).