temperor

Initial reaction, Apple we are Happy with the verdict, but we are studying the complete verdict. Epic, we appeal, guess it’s clear who has won.

If a government wants access to devices they can pass legislation to mandate it, they do not need Apple’s CSAM architecture to do so … You know the saying you get the politics you voted for … If it ever comes to that I would prefer the architecture Apple developed though, as long as I stay out of terrorisme and child abuse I would keep my “privacy”. To be clear I do not want this, but wait, if in the next years there are some more terrorist attacks, you can bet all the money in the world, governments are going to mandate this.

beowulfschmidt said:

ikir said:

xyzzy-xxx said:

I would bet that intelligence services of nearly all developed countries used Pegasus.
For this reason it is important that there is a strong opposition from within the government.
One more reason for Apple not to add technologies that enable surveillance (and may be hacked) into iOS.
I hope that CSAM scanning on the device is now dead.

have you see how really CSAM works? It is quite impossibile for any government to hack it by definition. And the reason the hash match (which is not a photo scan) happens on device.

For reasons I and others have related elsewhere, not only is it not "impossible for any government to hack it," it seems probable that some government somewhere will, in fact, hack it.

The database of image hashes is government controlled.  For those who will claim that it's an "independent" organization, no it isn't.  It's government funded, therefore it is government controlled.

It’s controlled by 2 NGO’s and in fact it does not matter, even if the government slipped in some hashes, there will be a human review by Apple where it will be noted that the images reported are not child abuse CSAM images … 
It really is a shame that in the end Apple will do server side scanning like all the rest and so by doing so will know much more about you than the system they made that made it so that for 99% of the people nothing would be flagged at apple and there privacy would not have been compromised … just because over 50% just don’t have a clue or got mislead with the totally wrong search warrant type where police can search your home, anyway it’s of the books … as is iCloud full end to end encryption, which this technology was laying the foundation for.

Every other cloud provider has been scanning/hashing your photo's for years. So they know everything, Apple's implementation makes it so that Apple knows nothing about you, except if you have CSAM pictures ... and only if you are using iCloud. Mister Snowdon has been silent on all the other implementations that are truly a privacy disaster (The Billions made from it scanning your content are just a proof how effective Google and Facebook use this data). The assumption that governments may ask Apple to scan for other content is just plain stupid, it's speculative and if they really want this, tech companies would be forced already with legislation.
PS wonder why there is no FaceTime in the middle east ... pure legislation ... 

xyzzy-xxx said:

Apple needs just to move this in the cloud before I will use a device running iOS 15 (downgraded from 15 beta to 14).

Moving it to the cloud would invade your privacy. If you use no iCloud, no scanning, if you use iCloud, and you have no CSAM pictures, nothing is uploaded to Apple … so Apple will know nothing about you, not even taking a bad with your kid … as that picture is not in the CSAM library. 
If you move everything to the cloud, all you pictures are scanned / fingerprinted, like Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Adobe are doing, and so they offer a wealth of information to those companies, I do trust Microsoft / Adobe but Google and Facebook … so the implementation of Apple is way better. The way this was leaked and framed however is a PR disaster, and we all know, Perception is Reality …