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dabigkahuna said:
1. Just pointing out your improved use of words. And "estimate" and "deadline" are quite different things.

2. The second paragraph I quoted from you is interesting. I don't recall the exact words they used at various times, but I know darn well they never used words like "certain", "within the next few hours", "tomorrow", etc when referring to their shipping ESTIMATES.
3. Third paragraph, an "estimate" pretty much by definition is not a "date certain"!

I understand you are doing your best to troll for Waytools by obsessing on nonsense. Its your job. Try to keep the new orders flowing in so you can further the pyramid scheme and maintain your lifestyle.

The point is that every ship deadline they ever mentioned, whether it was a specific date, or an estimated date, or a specific time frame, or an estimated time frame - it does not matter - every one of those statements was a falsehood. 

The money The money The money. Waytools shipped nothing but they want to keep the money. 4+ years.

arkorott said:

I would like to take the opportunity we are having communication with WT to focus on QA of the TB as would like to know in more detail where we are in the firmware completion (and I stress more detail: when it will go out to TREG, how much time for validation, when they aim for it to be ready, etc etc). I still want my TB asap I guess.

You will never get accurate or truthful responses to any of those questions from Waytools. Trying to communicate with them is pointless. Whenever you feel the urge to ask them a question with an expectation that they might respond with a sincere answer, you need to realize that their gaslighting has been effective on you. Shake off the effects and remind yourself that they are liars and they will never give you truthful answers.

Do not try to subvert the meaning of my words by quoting my use of the word 'estimate' Kahuna. I noticed that is a tactic you use on people often. The words 'estimate' and 'deadline' are utterly meaningless as applied by Waytools.

Quoting myself from earlier in this thread to clarify your misrepresentation of any consistency in my views:
 
There was post after post after post from a Waytools rep (probably Mark Knighton) saying things along the lines of 'we just have to fix this 'vaguely undefined issue' and then shipping looks 'on track' 'very good' 'promising' 'certain' 'within the next few hours' 'tomorrow' 'the next few days' 'next week' 'the next few weeks' 'next month'. They were statements that aimed to be vague, misleading, or disprovable, but were still accountable to any reasonable person as articulating a window of time which was, by any sane interpretation, far, far, far less than 4 years.

Any time Waytools 'estimated' a ship date, whether it was a date certain, or a time frame, it mattered not, because it never happened. They were always lying.

If I went through every post the Waytools character ever posted on the waytools forum, and gathered together every time they 'estimated' when the next estimated ship date would be, plus all the official estimates, plus all the estimates shown on order pages, plus all the changes to the estimated date ranges shown on their calendar, plus all the articles where they quoted an estimated ship date, after 4+ years, I think the number 500 would not be off by a lot at all. 

But I agree with you, ultimately, they have missed all their estimates, whatever the number might be, for over 4 straight years, because they are shameless liars who never intended to release the keyboard at any of the times they stated.

dabigkahuna said:

I can pretty much agree with that - though I would also point out that a lot of the attacks on the company are unfair. I've never objected to the fair ones. Made them myself. But, confirming that many people have been unfair is the fact that, in spite of me criticizing WT myself, I have often been accused of only defending them.

Unfairness has been a primary issue for me on the internet for decades. After I first, foolishly, thought it would be a great way for people to have rational discussions with others all over the world. After a couple years I realized that wasn't going to happen no matter how nice I was to people who weren't, so I set out to stand against the crap.

I dont see you defending unfairness here. I see a very specific bias in you and a keen focus on a specific narrative. You are like a defense lawyer. A good analogy to you and Waytools would be you are like Johnnie Cochran defending OJ. You ignore any and all facts and statements that hurt your narrative. You spin any facts that can suit your narrative. Alright, OJ beat his wife on several occasions, nobody is perfect, but he didnt kill her! Ok, WayTools missed 500 shipping deadlines by an infinite margin over the past 4+ years and all the while collected more and more money from more customers showing them a specific time frame when they would receive their product, but they never lied to anybody! Your propaganda strains credulity and you know it. 

But thats ok - it is good, because the ludicrous replies from WayTools_Support and Kahuna characters shine light on the defective personalities behind the company and the lies they believe and the lies they tell, which helps caution additional people away from being involved and giving the narcissists more money.

Clearly the people behind Waytools are never going to change. The only thing that can be done is to starve them to death until they disappear.