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gatorguy said:

Xed said:

gatorguy said:

danox said:

gatorguy said:

I keep looking at the Mac Studio for my photo-editing and light video work. What keeps me on the fence is the need to anticipate my needs/wants well into the future. I understand Apple makes more profit by getting customers to overbuy hardware and resources they may never need "just in case," but the horrible post-purchase upgrade options are what hold me back from buying at the moment. 

Macs ease of use, fit finish very good performance and great resale value 2-3 years down the road, however the value of a any PC in contrast drops like a rock the moment you buy it unless you had the foresight to get high end graphics card?

One added benefit family members/close friends will gladly buy or take a used Mac or iPad Pro that is reasonably equipped off your hands with a smile. 

I'm sure some folks do resell their computers, but in the 50 years plus I've bought them I've yet to sell one once it was past its prime. In the past year, I've added another 32GB memory to my current home-office machine and replaced one of the two SSD's with a larger capacity one (both are relatively inexpensive upgrades today), and could upgrade the processor without changing out the main board if I was convinced it would be worth the expense (approx. $450), but I still keep looking at the Mac Studio, compact and fast dn well-reviewed. I just wish Apple didn't force the upgrading trade-off.

...and yes, to the graphics card mention which I've long used as good advice. 

You think hoarders are the majority? While I'm at the opposite end of you since I always consider the purpose of an object, and if I deem it something I won't reasonably need again I'll give it away or sell it, I don't  for a moment think that the average person is like me, but rather somewhere in the middle.

I've absolutely donated old computers, most often to teachers to gift to a worthy student. Danox was telling me to factor in the resale value of a Mac Studio, and reselling is something I've never done. 

If you choose to only donate v selling, that's absolutely great, but most people seem to like to get money for older equipment when possible, which is why Danox's comment about the TCO is an important one when generally discussing the value of a Mac v WinPC. If you don't resell then that's a variable you obviously can't use to lower the overall cost.

Another way of looking at the equation is how much profit you can generate from a Mac v WinPC if you use it for work. Processing time, boot/load times, new setup times, and time and cost of having to install 3rd-party SW all play a part in figuring out if a Mac an overall cheaper option even thought the price of entry could be higher, but I'm sure you know this. Of course, if you are coming from Windows then one would also need to factor in the time in which it takes to become proficient in macOS, which is why I'm glad that macOS has continued to get more in-line with iOS/iPadOS in many regards.

StrangeDays said:

Good thing I don’t know anybody who gives a shirt about that, let alone any normals. 

You know you can like Apple products -and- want them to be easier for DIYers to repair and upgrade.

I found the video interesting and I'm glad that these are easier to repair. 

gatorguy said:

danox said:

gatorguy said:

I keep looking at the Mac Studio for my photo-editing and light video work. What keeps me on the fence is the need to anticipate my needs/wants well into the future. I understand Apple makes more profit by getting customers to overbuy hardware and resources they may never need "just in case," but the horrible post-purchase upgrade options are what hold me back from buying at the moment. 

Macs ease of use, fit finish very good performance and great resale value 2-3 years down the road, however the value of a any PC in contrast drops like a rock the moment you buy it unless you had the foresight to get high end graphics card?

One added benefit family members/close friends will gladly buy or take a used Mac or iPad Pro that is reasonably equipped off your hands with a smile. 

I'm sure some folks do resell their computers, but in the 50 years plus I've bought them I've yet to sell one once it was past its prime. In the past year, I've added another 32GB memory to my current home-office machine and replaced one of the two SSD's with a larger capacity one (both are relatively inexpensive upgrades today), and could upgrade the processor without changing out the main board if I was convinced it would be worth the expense (approx. $450), but I still keep looking at the Mac Studio, compact and fast dn well-reviewed. I just wish Apple didn't force the upgrading trade-off.

...and yes, to the graphics card mention which I've long used as good advice. 

You think hoarders are the majority? While I'm at the opposite end of you since I always consider the purpose of an object, and if I deem it something I won't reasonably need again I'll give it away or sell it, I don't  for a moment think that the average person is like me, but rather somewhere in the middle.

I can't speak for the study, but I do know people in the last year that have bought Macs because of how they already use other iDevices and AppleWatch in their lives. It also helps when they see just how seamless it is to add a Mac to that mix and all the benefits you get from what I think is the de facto "killer app" on macOS... Preview.

I doubt this will move the needle for Apple and against MS but it's a nice, slow bonus for Apple in the long run.

apple4thewin said:

Yup sounds about right it’s the whole ecosystem of it. The only reason I won’t switch to mac is because I can find a great gaming laptop for the same price as a m3 16gb 512 MacBook Air. And my Epic Games and Steam library are packed with great games from over the years (many of those games still can’t run on a Mac)

I'm curious about the PC gamer that also wants to game on a laptop. That intersection on a Venn diagram seems rather small to me, when compared to getting a lot more machine or a much cheaper tower PC to keep at home for gaming.