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avon b7 said:

Xed said:

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

Yeah man, the fact that your chinese knockoff brands didn’t move the needle whatsoever is not the sick burn you think it is. but ok, “first!” 

For handsets, considering it's mainly Chinese, South Korean or US brands, looking at the numbers, the Chinese brands possibly moved the needle most! 

For 5G modems as a component it was possibly Qualcomm but only because of sanctions against Huawei. Although Mediatek might have popped Qualcomm to that particular post. 

For 5G ICT and patents it was probably Huawei.

Apple literally wasn't in the game, made a huge strategic goof and still seems to be trying to overcome the technical challenges.

"First"? And? What’s your point? 

Oh, so now it's the Chinese brands against Apple.

Please note that when Apple entered the "game", they shipped in one single quarter, 25% of the 2020 yearly total, hence the steepest slope of the graph you linked, from 0ctober 2020 thru December 2020. That's the kickstart.

Apple made no "strategic goof", and there was never a downside to how Apple both transitioned to 5G and invested in its own 5G modem.

Exactly! 25% (no idea if that number is correct BTW) isn't kickstarting anything unless you completely ignore the other 75%! 

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Apple Goofed! 

Just like "Apple Goofed" by not releasing a smartphone in 1999 when the Blackberry launched and no way kickstarted the push for smartphones into every user's hands in 2007. It's amazing that we even know the name Apple today... seeing as how they weren't first and all.

Actually, no.

The two situations are not comparable. 

Apple's issues with 5G have nothing to do with being 'first' and everything to do with strategic planning. 

It was strategic planning to not include a marketing buzzword into their phones that wouldn't be of much use to all but a few users and be a power hungry detriment to all. The first 5G chips weren't good, but that can be said about all the early gen cellular chips. This is to be expected which is why it didn't make sense for any reasonable company to jump on the early chipsets.

It was about far more than power usage! 

Why did they include an off-SoC, older (and more power hungry) modem instead of waiting? Assuming that power consumption was so important to them?

The first Qualcomm 5G modem was announced in 2016 (X50l

The X55 was announced in February 2019 and was only its second generation effort.

So much for waiting. 

Did they make a big deal about that during the presentation? No! The focus was on speed and that buzzword: 5G.

At the same time as Apple released the iPhone 12, Huawei had on-SoC 5G modems yet no one was complaining about them being power hungry. They were NSA/SA capable too.

And as for buzzwords, they are what drive everything. It's why Applebhad 'Bionic' chips and a 'Dynamic Island' and every presentation is chock full of buzzwords. 

No prizes for guessing what will be the star of WWDC this year and you can bet buzzwords will be the order of the day. 

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

Yeah man, the fact that your chinese knockoff brands didn’t move the needle whatsoever is not the sick burn you think it is. but ok, “first!” 

For handsets, considering it's mainly Chinese, South Korean or US brands, looking at the numbers, the Chinese brands possibly moved the needle most! 

For 5G modems as a component it was possibly Qualcomm but only because of sanctions against Huawei. Although Mediatek might have popped Qualcomm to that particular post. 

For 5G ICT and patents it was probably Huawei.

Apple literally wasn't in the game, made a huge strategic goof and still seems to be trying to overcome the technical challenges.

"First"? And? What’s your point? 

Oh, so now it's the Chinese brands against Apple.

Please note that when Apple entered the "game", they shipped in one single quarter, 25% of the 2020 yearly total, hence the steepest slope of the graph you linked, from 0ctober 2020 thru December 2020. That's the kickstart.

Apple made no "strategic goof", and there was never a downside to how Apple both transitioned to 5G and invested in its own 5G modem.

Exactly! 25% (no idea if that number is correct BTW) isn't kickstarting anything unless you completely ignore the other 75%! 

[...]

Apple Goofed! 

Just like "Apple Goofed" by not releasing a smartphone in 1999 when the Blackberry launched and no way kickstarted the push for smartphones into every user's hands in 2007. It's amazing that we even know the name Apple today... seeing as how they weren't first and all.

Actually, no.

The two situations are not comparable. 

Apple's issues with 5G have nothing to do with being 'first' and everything to do with strategic planning. 

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

StrangeDays said:

Yeah man, the fact that your chinese knockoff brands didn’t move the needle whatsoever is not the sick burn you think it is. but ok, “first!” 

For handsets, considering it's mainly Chinese, South Korean or US brands, looking at the numbers, the Chinese brands possibly moved the needle most! 

For 5G modems as a component it was possibly Qualcomm but only because of sanctions against Huawei. Although Mediatek might have popped Qualcomm to that particular post. 

For 5G ICT and patents it was probably Huawei.

Apple literally wasn't in the game, made a huge strategic goof and still seems to be trying to overcome the technical challenges.

"First"? And? What’s your point? 

Oh, so now it's the Chinese brands against Apple.

Please note that when Apple entered the "game", they shipped in one single quarter, 25% of the 2020 yearly total, hence the steepest slope of the graph you linked, from 0ctober 2020 thru December 2020. That's the kickstart.

Apple made no "strategic goof", and there was never a downside to how Apple both transitioned to 5G and invested in its own 5G modem.

Exactly! 25% (no idea if that number is correct BTW) isn't kickstarting anything unless you completely ignore the other 75%! 

[...]

Apple Goofed! 

MplsP said:

 interesting to read the comments here - several years ago when Apple had yet to add 5G to their phones there was a substantial amount of angst here on AI. At the time I remember asking people "Why do I need 5G on my phone?" All I got was people repeating the rote answers about the benefits of 5G, none of which really applied to your typical smartphone user. Now, 5 years later I see everyone posting things like "yeah, I got it but I never use it."

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

king editor the grate said:

sflagel said:

king editor the grate said:

I’ve adopted two 5g iPhones, but not sure I’ve ever been on a 5g network even in rare trip to big city. 

I live in England, one of the most backwards countries in Europe, and here we have 5G everywhere.

I'm always interested in reading about life experiences in other lands, but I should note that England is smaller than Illinois, where I reside. Building infrastructure in an embiggened land takes a while. (My Ps have regaled me with memories of electricity arriving in central Illinois in mid- to late-'40s. Dad said they splurged and had one outlet installed in each room despite misgivings that they would never have that many things to plug in.)

 Circa 20 years ago after smartphones became commonplace and carriers started moving to 3G outside of cities I recall many otherwise comparatively "undeveloped" countries had much better infrastructure and coverage for higher speed cellular data. But that makes sense since running wire to every structure is more expensive than putting up a tower in an area, especially in very large countries where complete coverage would mean towers where it would rarely never have a device connecting to it.

I've read over the last few years that 5G in South Korea has been a disappointment for users. Slower than expected and draining batteries faster than 4G. Apparently many users have simply downgraded to LTE. I'm not really holding out for 6G unless it's Apple that's going to spearhead it since it's unlikely — thought not impossible — that Apple will launch a cellular chipset that doesn't provide some benefit to utility..

That is a little strange as South Korea is typically fast in real world settings and was also used for several industrial pilot programmes prior to full scale deployment. 

This article is from last year and shows great performance for South Korea and a six fold improvement over 4G on average.

https://www.opensignal.com/2023/06/30/benchmarking-the-global-5g-experience-june-2023#:~:text=Absolute 5G Download Speed is,average 5G speeds top 300Mbps.