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darbus69 said:

Hello, McFly! You are ignoring the obvious. I recently bought my first MacBook in years and i was astounded at the way MacOS had morphed towards iOS, I am still adjusting…Think Different. Apple is charting its path towards a platform of spatial computing and your denying that movement is exactly what Apple wants, or at least doesn’t mind. #TheFuturesSoBrightIGottaWearShades

CheeseFreeze said:

They’re positioned differently completely, so the specs are, up to a point, irrelevant.

I have the Quest 3 and it has a lot of great games and social apps which I love, also on the educational front. Many games for good value, specifically designed around what VR does well (avoiding what it doesn’t do well).

The Quest has a mature VR ecosystem, Apple does not. Apple basically replicated a spatial iPad. I have not seen anything on the Vision Pro that has any added value vs their existing products. 

They yet have to prove it’s a viable platform.

Say all what you want about Meta, they’ve done a great job offering a good experience for $499 that truly has added value next to a mobile phone and computer. 

ramanpfaff said:

charlesn said:

9secondkox2 said:

I’m excited Apple has put the effort in, but I do wish they didn’t launch until they got the tech distilled into something much more livable. 

Worth remembering: 

The Macbook Air, despite the wow factor of Steve's envelope demo, was initially slammed as a rich person's "toy" -- too expensive, too slow, too limited in storage and battery life to be taken seriously as a "real" laptop. The tech caught up to the promise in later years and by then, Apple owned the market for ultralight laptops. 

The Apple Watch, when originally introduced, couldn't do much of anything beyond telling time on its own--for any real functionality, it had to be tethered to your iPhone, which had to be with you. Which begged the question: if I have my iPhone in my pocket, why do I need this watch? The "killer use case," lol, was that you wouldn't need to take your phone out of your pocket to check emails, messages, etc, if you were in a meeting. But the tech caught up to the promise, Apple Watch is now a completely independent device and it's killer use case--health tracking--wasn't even a thing at the time it was released. 

The lesson learned: the tech always catches up to initial deficiencies. What's important is to get it out there so you can define and own the market for that device. I have no doubt that Vision Pro will one day--and probably A LOT sooner than we think--be a pair of fairly ordinary looking glasses.  I mean, c'mon--did you think we were close to seeing a pair of wireless headphones as tiny as Airpods until they burst on the scene? 

ALSO; with regard to Daniel's typically superb column, I had to pull out this quote:

They really feel like it should cost half as much, be half as big, and do a lot of things Apple never said it would. This is evergreen Apple criticism.

Truer words have never been written!

I'm not sure I agree with your thoughts on the original MacBook Air and Watch. I thought they were both great right from the start and I ordered version 1 of both. Still using my 2012 Air as media server (was that the first... I can't actually remember... I've had several). The Watch was superb for running even in version 1 that didn't have a GPS. I used to wear it and a Garmin for a few months and the distances were very comparable. I also thought both were affordable (no way would I buy an expensive watch band - yeesh).

However, version 1 of the AVP feels much more like a really expensive tool mostly for developers to find the best uses for and I didn't buy this one since it really is a high price (IMO). Unless a killer app comes out prior to version 2, I won't be buying this version. I'll certainly have the next. 

radarthekat said:

When smartphones incorporated calculators and calendars and alarm clocks these app versions didn’t come to exist alongside the physical products.  They obviated the need for the physical products.   It became absurd to own a physical alarm clock that could break or fall on the floor.  Instead, these devices BECAME virtual devices.  But the above are still essentially information devices.  

With Apple Vision Pro we enter an era of replacing physical devices that require physical interaction.  A DJ booth requires the muscle memory of a long acquired skill.  A surgical robot surgeon interface requires the same.  Vision Pro’s advanced spatial accuracy and scalability of the human physical interaction interface allows makers of what are now interactive physical products to recreate these products as apps.  No longer would you want a physical DJ booth that requires transportation and can break.  This will exist only as an app.   Same for other physical interfaces that require dexterity and skill to operate.   

Some of us never bought an alarm clock or calculator.  Future generations will never buy a physical surgical robot front end or musical instrument.  But we may interact with these devices using the same dexterity and motions we learned on their outgoing physical forms.  

9secondkox2 said:

Respite said:

9secondkox2 said:

I’m excited Apple has put the effort in, but I do wish they didn’t launch until they got the tech distilled into something much more livable. 

Why?  You don't have to buy one.  This one sets the stage for things to come.  It is easier to iterate when you have a world of customer feedback on what's important.

You answered your own question. 

People don't buy products so the next one is worth it. they by something because that thing itself is worth it. At this stage, the VP simply isn't. 

Also, regarding your words in italics, Apple has never been in the business of selling Beta products until now. Hope this is the last.