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Ofer said:

rob53 said:

This is simple to explain. Inflation and the ridiculous price increases blamed on COVID are causing people and companies to slow down on computer purchases. It's the same with cars and trucks. Everything is overpriced. CEO's are getting too much money, workers still aren't getting enough and stock holders are getting way too much money. Anyone with a brain knows this was going to happen. 

This! 100%! You have all of these massive corporations complaining about how they can’t afford to decrease prices to pre-COVIDE prices or increase wages for their employees while at the same time bragging about record profits and giving their CEOs massive bonuses. This behavior is absolutely criminal.

It's not criminal. it's just greed.

9secondkox2 said:

Asus and xreal are further along than anyone so far. In terms of concept and form factor. Apple looks to be quite ahead in specs compared to everyone. 

That’s the concept apple should have pursued. Makes the vp look kinda outdated as a concept. 

And then there is the price. 

It seems like every comment you make is a knee-jerk response without an iota of contemplation before posting something about how Apple did it wrong.

You surely disagree, so tell me how a complete VR experience in the Apple Vision Pro would even be possible with very open designs of the AR-only concepts from Xreal and Asus? Can you show me a VR headset that sits like a pair of glasses? I'd love to see it, but I clearly don't the vision you do, so, please, help me out.

Outside of the "concept" Apple should've chosen for their VR?AR/XR headset, how would the specs be put into the Xreal or Asus device. We know it needs to be as close to the displays as possible so that you don't notice lag, and I con't think we're within even a decade to getting a TB cable version that will be able to offload that to some side mounted device along with the battery.

One thing I can see happening down the road after the Pro model has been established as a winner and Apple Vision (the non-Pro model) comes out as a lower-cost option for the masses, is Apple potentially then coming out with an Apple Specs AR-only system that is more inline with the AR concepts you were touting as superior.

lmasanti said:

quote: “Sony says it wants to bring out the unnamed headset sometime in 2024.”

quote: “Pricing and availability hasn't been confirmed by Asus so far.”

quote: “Intended for developers rather than the general public, the Xreal Air 2 Ultra are priced at $699, with pre-orders open now for shipment by the end of March.”

What I love from Apple is that when it shown a device… it shows a working model, tells us the name, price, and delivery estimate.

All other are just… wishful announcements!

It is both amazing that only Apple seems to follow this model and so obvious if you want appeal to buyers.

9secondkox2 said:

Rogue01 said:

If Apple offers a 1TB option, they charge 4x the industry standard for 1TB of storage, so now you are looking at $4,000 to run iPadOS apps.  

Apple really needs to stop with their extortion tactics for memory and SSD prices.  It was better when you could upgrade memory and storage on your own, because no one bought the Apple upgrades.  Similar to the printer market in which the ink cartridges sometimes cost more than the actual printer.  Now Apple has the consumer over the barrel and they know it and charge ridiculous prices.

I remember prior to m1 launch, everyone was so excited about apple doing their own thing and how avoiding the Intel and amd fees would bring cheaper Mac’s. LOL Instead, the prices took a Spacex rocket to the outer limits. Sure “base” models with specs from half a decade ago are somewhat affordable, but even those are messed with. From halving the ssd read speeds of m2 and m3 models if you don’t upgrade, to halving bus speeds of m3 models unless you upgrade, then charging an arm and a leg for those upgrades - when the m1 gen didn’t do any of that (except rip you at upgrade pricing), it’s a total rip. But apple knows they’ve got a user base and there’s no where else to go. Windows is a joke, Linux is just not that nice an experience, and  what’s left? Chrome? LOL. Sad state of affairs. Apple Silicon is great. But it’s also proven to be a bit of a money munching Trojan horse. 

Even thought I've seen if for decades it's still so fucking weird to see people get upset by what something costs v what something can do for them.

Could Apple have decided to make a much slower and cheaper Mac that was basically the same performance as the last Intel MacBook Pro  to be the first Apple Silicon MacBook Pro and then done no other advancements to keep prices way down? Of course, but you surely wouldn't bitched about that, too. Making things faster, more efficient, and overall better is kinda what technically strives for.

Rogue01 said:

If Apple offers a 1TB option, they charge 4x the industry standard for 1TB of storage, so now you are looking at $4,000 to run iPadOS apps.  

Apple really needs to stop with their extortion tactics for memory and SSD prices.  It was better when you could upgrade memory and storage on your own, because no one bought the Apple upgrades.  Similar to the printer market in which the ink cartridges sometimes cost more than the actual printer.  Now Apple has the consumer over the barrel and they know it and charge ridiculous prices.

1a) How exactly do you know how much they charge for any specific component? You don't. You only know what they charge for the range of a product line and you think you can extrapolate their profit of a specific component based on that configuration variance. You can't. Their profit margin is based on their estimated sales across the range. They offer entry level options to entice buyers with a lower profit margin for obvious reasons.

1b) A fun little spreadsheet experiment with a  you can run is to adjust the prices for a given product category (e,g, 16" MacBook Pro) where Apple would get the same profit margin, but you alter the cost for the chipset, unified memory, storage, or anything else you'd like, to see how that would affect the low-end of that product.

2) You may feel slighted they want to entice buyers to try out Apple products or increase their net revenue and profits, but that's fucking business. What it's not is extortion. If you actually have a problem with this you can A) buy the low end product knowing that Apple's net profit will be lower, or 2) choose to boycott Apple altogether. Or, if you really feel this is extortion you can take Apple to court.