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Apple's AI ambitions go beyond Siri LLM with Knowledge chatbot and always-on AI copilot
This is a free forum with free speech. We can feel free to interpret what John says.Stabitha_Christie said:
Yes, John Gruber merely said that he does not know anyone that at Apple that has seen it and somehow you mangled that into John Gruber saying Apple was lying. Only you can explain your cognitive dissonance on that one.MassiveAttack said:
Maybe true.. Maybe not.. John Gruber merely says that he does not know anybody at Apple who has seen Siri performing so well at WWDC 2024. If they did not see it at that time, they did not see v1 or v2 architecture at that time.Stabitha_Christie said:
Based on the Gruber quote you posted, there is no indication that anyone is lying. The one consistent thing here is your poor reading comprehension. Similar to how you don't seem understand the “Something Is Rotten In The State of Cupertino” article, you don’t really understand the article you are quoting. It clearly says “That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build.”. That is Gruber conceding that he actually doesn’t know. Gruber’s sources having never seen the build and Federighi saying there was a build are not contradictory. They can both be true. Given that the delay caused a significant drop in Apple's stock and Federighi is an executive, him lying would warrant an SEC investigation. If you have evidence that he is lying then by all means file a complaint with the SEC. Get back to us on how far you get.MassiveAttack said:
I read the piece of John Gruber today where he says:williamlondon said:
Oh good god, you’re just ignoring and spitting in the face of the forum moderators at this point who at multiple times have told you to knock this shit off. Go to MacRumors, they love trolls and shit posters.MassiveAttack said:AAPL again screws up... Release in 2026? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
When Craig was asked by Toms Guide if Siri will be rolled out in 2026, he avoided the answer and explained the root cause.
When Toms Guide asked Craig again for release in 2026, Craig looked over Joz.
Joz said he confirmed.
Craig has no idea if Siri will be ready.. And the marketing guy said yes...
I bet that Siri will not be ready at iOS26, iOS26.1, iOS26.2 etc.
Maybe 2027..Maybe...
But By time they are ready, everyone will be on the next iteration of AI.
Apple is rotten.
"I spoke this week, off the record, to multiple trusted sources in Apple’s software engineering group, and none of them ever saw an internal build of iOS that had this feature before last year’s keynote. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build. But none of my sources ever saw one, and they don’t believe there was one, because they’re in positions where they believe that if there had been such a build, their teams would have had access to it."
So...Who is lying or ignoring? Craig/Joz or their team?
Who is trolling? We will find out. So many contradictions at the end. Release in 2026? Sure? I don´t knock it off.The two things we have learned from your posts is you don’t really get what Gruber is saying and that you have the literary depth of a puddle. "Something is rotten in the state of Cupertino" is a play one a line from Hamlet. The original being “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. The Hamlet reference is directly related to the point Gruber was making and that you have missed. Hence why you have completely mangled the quote and ended up your broken record style repetition of “Rotten Apple”.
But in this case, something is strange, cringe, and rotten. Communication issue? It just leaves the impression that something is rotten and that they are way more behind in AI and in their internal target than they think.
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Apple's AI ambitions go beyond Siri LLM with Knowledge chatbot and always-on AI copilot
What nonsense do you see? Even the title of the article "....Siri LLM with knowledge CHATBOT" is nonsense as Joz already stated that they are NOT INTERESTED in chatbots.Wesley_Hilliard said:If you find Massiveattack's constant nonsense about Apple being rotten, there is an ignore function for the forums. Sorry, we can't ban someone that isn't breaking the rules. Annoying, sure, but not violating.
I provide some technical aspects why I highly doubt Intelligent Siri in 2026 given the fact that our iPhones only have 8GB ~ 12GB. iPhones are small devices to play Siri on-device what we are looking for.
Maybe, Apple has a magic tool. I really hope that Apple proves me wrong and lets me look like a troll.
Even additionally, I just want to point out that people are still confused because "trusted" sources mentioned by John are at Apple and underline the exact opposite feedback to what Craig mentioned with some technical details.
Okay.. We can close this nonsense that we should just believe what Craig explained with v1 and v2 architecture and that we expect Intelligent Siri in 2026 as Joz confirmed. -
Apple's continued lack of native apps on Vision Pro isn't a good sign for the platform
This goggle is a fail.
Apple should launch smart glasses, which can canibalize this goggle.
But I highly doubt that even smart glasses will be as successful as iPhones.
Nobody volunteers to wear glasses. Even wearing glasses for fashionable purpose is a niche area (except sunglasses).
I can see some use cases for smart glasses in the medicine, construction, engineering fields, but the current goggle is too heavy and I highly doubt that a lighter version will contribute much more due to the size.
The only limited use case for this goggle, I see, is watching movies during the flight. It helps a bit to let times fly. -
Apple's AI ambitions go beyond Siri LLM with Knowledge chatbot and always-on AI copilot
Maybe true.. Maybe not.. John Gruber merely says that he does not know anybody at Apple who has seen Siri performing so well at WWDC 2024. If they did not see it at that time, they did not see v1 or v2 architecture at that time.Stabitha_Christie said:
Based on the Gruber quote you posted, there is no indication that anyone is lying. The one consistent thing here is your poor reading comprehension. Similar to how you don't seem understand the “Something Is Rotten In The State of Cupertino” article, you don’t really understand the article you are quoting. It clearly says “That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build.”. That is Gruber conceding that he actually doesn’t know. Gruber’s sources having never seen the build and Federighi saying there was a build are not contradictory. They can both be true. Given that the delay caused a significant drop in Apple's stock and Federighi is an executive, him lying would warrant an SEC investigation. If you have evidence that he is lying then by all means file a complaint with the SEC. Get back to us on how far you get.MassiveAttack said:
I read the piece of John Gruber today where he says:williamlondon said:
Oh good god, you’re just ignoring and spitting in the face of the forum moderators at this point who at multiple times have told you to knock this shit off. Go to MacRumors, they love trolls and shit posters.MassiveAttack said:AAPL again screws up... Release in 2026? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
When Craig was asked by Toms Guide if Siri will be rolled out in 2026, he avoided the answer and explained the root cause.
When Toms Guide asked Craig again for release in 2026, Craig looked over Joz.
Joz said he confirmed.
Craig has no idea if Siri will be ready.. And the marketing guy said yes...
I bet that Siri will not be ready at iOS26, iOS26.1, iOS26.2 etc.
Maybe 2027..Maybe...
But By time they are ready, everyone will be on the next iteration of AI.
Apple is rotten.
"I spoke this week, off the record, to multiple trusted sources in Apple’s software engineering group, and none of them ever saw an internal build of iOS that had this feature before last year’s keynote. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t such a build. But none of my sources ever saw one, and they don’t believe there was one, because they’re in positions where they believe that if there had been such a build, their teams would have had access to it."
So...Who is lying or ignoring? Craig/Joz or their team?
Who is trolling? We will find out. So many contradictions at the end. Release in 2026? Sure? I don´t knock it off.The two things we have learned from your posts is you don’t really get what Gruber is saying and that you have the literary depth of a puddle. "Something is rotten in the state of Cupertino" is a play one a line from Hamlet. The original being “something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. The Hamlet reference is directly related to the point Gruber was making and that you have missed. Hence why you have completely mangled the quote and ended up your broken record style repetition of “Rotten Apple”.
But in this case, something is strange, cringe, and rotten. Communication issue? It just leaves the impression that something is rotten and that they are way more behind in AI and in their internal target than they think. -
Apple's AI ambitions go beyond Siri LLM with Knowledge chatbot and always-on AI copilot
Running fully locally GPT3.5 or 4 requires 8 H100 GPUs and NVlink (which can be only run in enterprise hardware, e.g. servers); we are talking about 640GB of GPU memory for inference and no, you cannot use RAM and very little distillation to CPU resources. If you add to this the "promise" that your data won't live the phone, and the fact that you already have a voice assistant that you need to integrate, it really gets truly complicate. No wonder they are struggling. Yes, there are plenty of distilled LLMs and yes, big is not always better, but it gets tricky for generalist tasks. There is no way an iPhone will be able to pick up the processing to run heavily distilled models, so you need to connect siri with a server and transfer the customer data: location, search habits, etc. One thing will need to give in this conundrum...stoneyg said:
While I don't think LLMs are the end all, be all like gets touted by many online, I've been using a ChatGPT pro account linked to my action button of the past 6 months. As far as answering questions, providing helpful information, and actually understanding what I'm asking, it is so much better than Siri in its current form. Siri will absolutely benefit from being based more on an LLM architecture.mpantone said:LLMs are a dead end with clear limitations that won't bring Apple or anyone else to that contextual awareness + common sense that people see in commercials or dream about.
Apple can forget about releasing an "improved" [sic] Siri if it is only as good as the competition's LLM-powered AI chatbot assistants (ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Perplexity, Claude, whatever dogchow). And Apple's senior management already knows this which is why they have balked on this so-called "improved" Siri.
Apple needs to do something that differentiates themselves from the rest of the pack, beyond just preserving privacy. That is a super tall task and I bet Apple senior management accepts this challenge.
A second place AI chatbot assistant is garbage because 1st place is still a massive failure 40% of the time. It's easy to laugh off/dismiss obviously stupid AI suggestions like eating rocks or using glue as a pizza topping. The more insidious issue is triaging through answers that are completely wrong that still sound right. That's A.) a waste of time, and B.) a massive hit to user trustworthiness.
Apple knows all of this which is why the much-anticipated "improved Siri" has zero presence at WWDC 2025. Apple senior managers vaguely deflected this to 2026 but that really implies late 2026, like December if we're "lucky". So possibly 2+ years late.
All the while their competitors will be feeding Joe Consumer dogchow.
What I trust Apple to do is take the time to do it right. While ChatGPT is super helpful, that next step for it to actually help accomplish tasks on my behalf is still clunky. This is where Apple can (and I trust, will) shine. Using App Intents and other future APIs, the phone will actually be able to do so many things thanks to Siri. And it should be so much safer and better thought out than what exists in the AI-space currently.
Apple can´t do that until Spring 2026 or even the entire year 2026. Their RAM capacity is way limited to get to where Siri is based on WWDC 2024.
I would not be surprised if Apple needs min. 3 years to work on it and to get it ready. Or... Maybe.. It will never come.
