waveparticle

sbdude said:

mikethemartian said:

anonymouse said:

Anilu_777 said:

JP234 said:

Well, it's a blatant trademark infringement, and an unauthorized reproduction. But it's also a well-intentioned tribute to Jobs and vegetarianism.

If I was making the decision, I'd let this one slide. Unless other companies started doing it too. Then, I'd get the lawyers involved.

Tribute or not, it’s a blatant infringement on Apple’s “Think Differently” campaign and there’s no indication that they’re using Jobs’ likeness with family permission. 

Apple didn't have a "Think Differently" campaign, they had a "Think Different" campaign. The real problem here would be using Jobs likeness without permission, if they have not obtained that.

Still, I'm not sure Jobs is the poster boy they want since he died at the young age of 56 from cancer. 

Did Apple have to get the approval of the families of Einstein, Picasso, Gandhi, etc. to use their likenesses in their commercial?

In California, the posthumous right to publicity is 70 years after death, assuming you live(d) in California. Each state has their own laws and statutory time period. Given the deep pockets, I would have assumed apple would have obtained permission; but most of those people are long dead.

This campaign, however, would be a clear violation without permission.

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

coolfactor said:

avon b7 said:

Yes, Huawei has been using the 'Vision' branding for a while now and specifically in AR glasses and smart screens too, so the Apple name does overlap slightly.

I'm currently interested in a Vision 3 to replace a Samsung TV if it gets a release in Spain. The previous model was available here. 

We are talking about well known, commercial products (and not all of them are limited to China) so it is hard to believe Apple wasn't well aware of the situation. 

It's possible that the issue has already been taken into account. 

Definitely living in different worlds. No Samsung or Huawei device will ever make it into my household by choice. Huawei has been banned by both Canadian and US governments for cellular network gear over concerns of possible spying via installed equipment.

Well, we all know about that nonsense but it’s not relevant here. 

As long as the CCP maintains its right to inspect & interfere with any company in China (and especially as long as high-ranking members are founders of the company!) it’s not nonsense. Single-party autocrat are terrible partners for nations that respect freedom & privacy. The CCP is opposed to the basic ideas of privacy and human rights. 

Just say no to dictators. 

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

Yes, Huawei has been using the 'Vision' branding for a while now and specifically in AR glasses and smart screens too, so the Apple name does overlap slightly.

I'm currently interested in a Vision 3 to replace a Samsung TV if it gets a release in Spain. The previous model was available here. 

We are talking about well known, commercial products (and not all of them are limited to China) so it is hard to believe Apple wasn't well aware of the situation. 

It's possible that the issue has already been taken into account. 

There are only a limited set of English words to describe a specific thing. To grant patent of a word to a company is not right. Especially if the word is extended to a family. 

Yet lots of those limited words are present in trademarks. 

In this particular case it is Vision Pro and it is taken for exactly the same product category as the Apple Vision Pro. 

But then again, we used to have 'Apple Computer' and the fight with 'Apple music' . 

How many different words are there for 'Apple'? 

I don't disagree with you on the basics but that's how things are. 

There are General Motors, General Electric, General Instrument, and many more. I think Appel Vision Pro should be good to go as long as Huawei did not have a similar product already in market. 

Huawei has different eyewear products that range from simple 'smart' eyewear with audio, through to eyewear for AR and for viewing video.

It also has cameras for TVs for AR related tasks and gesture support. 

There are also non-eyewear products like AR-HUDs. 

It's very active in the imaging 'Vision' fields and has been working on XR from both a consumer and industry perspective. 

Huawei Vision does not have Apple Vision Pro equivalent. Judging from Huawei copycatting Apple products history, it will have one by the end of this year.

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/visions/s/

It doesn't need to have an Apple Vision Pro equivalent. 

There is absolutely no requirement for that but its case is strengthened by the fact that Huawei has been actively working in the AR field for years and with different shipping products. 

LiDAR, camera technology, gesture technology, AI, display technology, ultra low latency communications, chipsets, battery technology, software. 

On top of that it is also developing the ICT backend technology to support ubiquitous use of XR. 

If it trademarked the 'Vision Pro' name for ten years, it's reasonable to assume that a product might appear during that timeframe. 

As for the copycat claims, did you know that Apple is rumoured to licence almost 800 patents from Huawei, and over the last six years Huawei has pioneered a lot of features that have ended up in Apple products. 

Well, Apple licensing from Huawei is not a valid defense that Huawei did not copycat Apple products. Visit its product page, you can see that Huawei is trying to fool consumers. MateBook? MatePad? FreeBuds? 

Names? 

The Mate branding has been around since 2013. As computers and tablets were introduced, the naming spilled over into those categories as they were built with interconnection in mind. Hence the MateBook and MatePad. The naming makes a lot of sense. 

There is also a MatePad Paper with no Apple product equivalent. 

The Freebuds Pro were actually more advanced than Apple Airpods at launch. I see nothing similar in the name. 

At this year's WWDC did you notice that soon Apple will let you choose more devices for camera input/output (I can't remember which off the top of my head). Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

And they also claimed faster syncing/lower Bluetooth latency. Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

Air gestures? This is a few years old now:



Smart Eyewear:

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/huawei-eyewear/

That's now on Gen 3. 

Vision Glasses:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-Vision-Glass-smart-glasses-debut-in-China-with-Micro-OLED-displays.673972.0.html

I really don't think they will have any problems defending their use of Vision Pro if it comes to the crunch but I don't think Apple will even try because it's no secret where Huawei is heading with all these technologies. 

As for a valid defence against the copycat claims, patents and products are perfect for that, along with massive R&D outlay. 

Anyone who only copies, doesn’t  invest 20 billion dollars in R&D every year and constantly make the top rankings for patents. It doesn't pioneer technology in several key industries.