waveparticle

JP234 said:

danox said:

JP234 said:

danox said:

blastdoor said:

hexclock said:

waveparticle said:

sdw2001 said:

hexclock said:

waveparticle said:

blastdoor said:

It's such a huge indictment of multiple Intel management failures over the past 10-20 years that MS has to do this at all. 

For reasons of national security, I think it's necessary to try and save Intel. But I think "we" (meaning, I guess, American citizens and policy makers) need to think long and hard about how to try and reduce the chances of something like this from happening again. Intel was a national treasure and these a-holes absolutely plundered it and put their country at risk. I know there are some financial institutions that have been designated as being too important to the financial system to fail, meaning they both get extra protection but also extra oversight/regulation. Maybe we need a similar national security designation for companies that are vitally important to our long term national security to also receive some extra protection but also oversight. 

It is overstretching things without any concrete facts. Will you eve stop this kind of hate mongering, fear mongering? 

What the hell are you even talking about? America can and should make as many things ourselves as possible. If self reliance equals hate, then I guess I’m a hater too. 

I don’t know that I agree about Intel being a key component of national security, but hexclock’s  response was so insane I just assumed it was facetious. 

He must be a Putin sympathizer. Russia does not make a lot of things. 

Yes that must be it. There is no other possible explanation why I would like to see America build more chips. What an utter buffoon you are. 

Indeed — it’s because I view Putin and his “limitless” friend as major threats to democracy, peace, and prosperity that I want to make sure that democratic countries collectively avoid dependencies on Putin and limitless friend. 

And chip manufacturing is vital to national  security. 

It’s too late, the clock started a ticking when Nixon and Kissinger went to China 50 years ago. And after the opening all those American CEOs moved production to China, and even when they move out of China, the only thing they want do is want to do is move to  Mexico, Vietnam, India, or some other Third World hellhole. The problem in America is the Man in the mirror management and a culture that seeks the slave wage as a first response.

The massively big companies worldwide (Intel, Apple, Google, Samsung, VW) don’t need help or government welfare they are winning at the world wide level, and at the end of the day they will do fine.

I agree with you. And to those who disagree that globalism lifts all boats, I'd ask, "Was your family better off when Nixon opened up China in 1972?" I was 21. My parents had 3 of my younger sibs living at home, one 10 year old black and white TV, a 1965 Chevy station wagon and ate out or went to the movies never. My father's only electronic toy was his AM/FM Sony transistor radio (made in Japan). I had just finished my tour of duty in the Air Force and didn't have a pot to piss in or a window to toss it out of, a high school diploma, and a Tylenol #3 addiction. Today, my wife and I have a mortgage-free house, two European luxury cars paid for in cash, two smart TV's, and multiples of virtually every piece of hardware Apple makes. We had a 5 week vacation in France 5 years ago, two weeks in Tuscany in 2021, and 3 weeks in Greece last summer. And are more than comfortable in our retirement. It was prudent investing in those very companies that moved manufacturing operations to China that made that happen. All of it.

If you failed to prosper from 1972 to today, guess what? It's not the fault of minorities, immigrants, government policies or foreign manufacturing, or "woke" agendas. It's your failure, and you should own it, rather than embracing the lies that tell you what you want to hear, rather than the truths you don't. Then get off your couch and do something. Or learn to do something then do something. There are over 80,000 unfilled jobs in the American trades, and no one is outsourcing automotive, plumbing, carpentry, electrical, masonry or ironwork jobs to China. Apprenticeships are short, paid, and usually lead to well paying jobs. Our master plumber makes more than our primary physician.

So what are you waiting for? Go on, put on some pants and shoes and contribute. You'll soon be living the American Dream, guaranteed.

I recently retired from fire protection design, and there are also similar positions in HVAC, plumbing, and electrical. There are many jobs working in the field and in the front office as a detailer, or designer in these four disciplines, that go begging for people to fill positions them, many of the field positions are unionized and offer apprenticeship programs through the Union, that last 2 to 3 years, those apprenticeships can lead to a very well paying job that can lead to many good things if you’re willing to work hard, and in the front office area, detailers and designers positions are available, right out of high school or junior college, if you know how to use AutoCad, Revit, Bluebeam, Adobe Acrobat, and Navis manage, companies, in those four disciplines will pay and teach you on the job all you need to know to be a designer or detailer. 

Because most schools in America don’t teach these disciplines, next time you walk into a building look up, you’ll see fire sprinklers at the ceiling, someone has to design and layout those locations, Fire sprinkler design is a very lucrative field, but it’s not taught in schools, but if you know any young kid, who knows how to use those programs and are willing to work, they can get a job in a very lucrative field that most don’t know about, and since most companies are always looking for people, they are willing to teach you how on the job. 

Also, if your company offers a 401(k), always maximize your contributions to it and keep up with it, if you don’t, no one else will, I can only speak for fire protection, but most companies offer great benefits, so if you know any young kid that knows how to use those programs (particularly AutoCad and Revit), and they’re looking for something, there are many fire protection, companies looking.

You hit the nail on the head. There are many trades begging for qualified workers! More proof that going into the trades isn't just for dropouts anymore. I got into the printing trade in 1979, became journeyman in 1981, and master pressman in 1986. Opened my own printing business in 1987, and became profitable from week 6! After 3 years, I was able to buy the building in which my shop was located. And if you love high technology, you'll love the printing/graphics business! Everything is driven by technology. The reason I left the business in 2003 was I had to choose between spending $500,000 to upgrade systems, or sell (business and building) and move on to my next career: leveraging my graphic arts experience to get a great job at Apple, until I retired in 2014.

And there's something deeply satisfying about looking at the end of your day, your month, your career, and being able to say "I made that!"

hexclock said:

waveparticle said:

blastdoor said:

It's such a huge indictment of multiple Intel management failures over the past 10-20 years that MS has to do this at all. 

For reasons of national security, I think it's necessary to try and save Intel. But I think "we" (meaning, I guess, American citizens and policy makers) need to think long and hard about how to try and reduce the chances of something like this from happening again. Intel was a national treasure and these a-holes absolutely plundered it and put their country at risk. I know there are some financial institutions that have been designated as being too important to the financial system to fail, meaning they both get extra protection but also extra oversight/regulation. Maybe we need a similar national security designation for companies that are vitally important to our long term national security to also receive some extra protection but also oversight. 

It is overstretching things without any concrete facts. Will you eve stop this kind of hate mongering, fear mongering? 

What the hell are you even talking about? America can and should make as many things ourselves as possible. If self reliance equals hate, then I guess I’m a hater too. 

blastdoor said:

It's such a huge indictment of multiple Intel management failures over the past 10-20 years that MS has to do this at all. 

For reasons of national security, I think it's necessary to try and save Intel. But I think "we" (meaning, I guess, American citizens and policy makers) need to think long and hard about how to try and reduce the chances of something like this from happening again. Intel was a national treasure and these a-holes absolutely plundered it and put their country at risk. I know there are some financial institutions that have been designated as being too important to the financial system to fail, meaning they both get extra protection but also extra oversight/regulation. Maybe we need a similar national security designation for companies that are vitally important to our long term national security to also receive some extra protection but also oversight. 

radarthekat said:

danox said:

The Chinese will buy the best western products that they can get, what they will not buy, is the second and third tier products, in short, you have to bring your A game, that is why Samsung is out of the Chinese smartphone market, and long term that is why Tesla will fail in that market too, however they will continue to buy the best western cars made, which isn’t Tesla, quality fit and finish matter.

I think your view of Tesla is a few years out of date, but time will show us who is correct.