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sflocal said:So, in essence, if you don't have the extra funds to pay for additional RAM or drive space and you want to upgrade those at a later time, you're out of luck.
No thanks.Like it or not, that's where it's going.I bought a 2020 iMac and for three months my brand new machine was nearly unusable (would crash/reboot every 10 minutes). With no help from Apple, I myself finally narrowed it down to bad RAM that a reseller used when I purchased additional memory at purchase. OWC swapped the RAM, machine still crashed. I bought new memory from Crucial (128GB & $700) and works perfectly now. Long story short, it's crap like this that was also another reason why Apple will most likely not allow RAM upgrades because of problems like this, and I fully support it. The 3rd-party RAM suppliers will take a hit because they don't play nice at times. OWC still hasn't fessed-up and admit there was a problem.
Anyway, aside from the fabrication above, you have proven how stupid soldered on RAM is. And if you are so anti-third party RAM, why did you not spend the $2600 on Apple RAM, since you had the choice and seemingly want to give Apple $2000 extra for $700 of RAM? Only the Apple RAM is no better than any other branded RAM, in Intel Macs it's identical to the RAM in any old PC with 2667MHz SO-DIMMS. I have cheap Amazon RAM (Samsung chips) in my 2019 iMac and it's perfect.
Why remove the choice of third party RAM? It means only that more people will get shafted by bad Apple RAM when out of warranty. Cook's got a clever little double-dip money spinner on the soldered RAM: If yours went bad out of warranty and was soldered, not only did you pay $2600 for the RAM upgrade, you're $3000+ out of pocket because they'll charge massively for a new logic board with $2600 of RAM on. Socketed on the other hand, you could swap a single stick for ~$350 or all of it for $700, and done. Plus many RAM manufacturers guarantee it for life, so it would be a free replacement - Apple doesn't do that. Apple's RAM prices are a joke. If Apple's RAM wasn't an unbelievable 4 times the price of third party RAM I'd agree - buy RAM from Apple. But as it is, Cook is just laughing all the way to the bank. The sooner we are rid of him the better.
TL;DR: Your third party RAM failed but you could replace it for $700, rather than the $3000 Apple would charge. Proving how absurd soldered on RAM is.
StrangeDays said:GeorgeBMac said:So, in essence, if you don't have the extra funds to pay for additional RAM or drive space and you want to upgrade those at a later time, you're out of luck.
No thanks.I miss the logic of that kind of circular logic.GeorgeBMac said:So, in essence, if you don't have the extra funds to pay for additional RAM or drive space and you want to upgrade those at a later time, you're out of luck.
Consumers don't see the benefit of soldered on components. Consumers have to pay Apple's massively inflated SSD/RAM prices at the time of purchase, meaning they can easily double the cost of the machine for an extra 8GB RAM (£200 at Apple, £40 on Amazon) or an extra 768GB SSD space (£400 at Apple, £90 on Amazon). This makes the sticker shock even worse, as not only does Apple skimp on RAM and SSD, people have to pay massively over the odds to get their machine to match a PC that costs 30% less. A Dell OptiPlex 3080 SFF for example has 8GB RAM, 256GB HDD and an 11th gen Core i5. It's just £515. The Mac Mini starts at £699 with the same specs, and a much cheaper (and of course faster, but the i5 is fast enough for almost anyone) M1. Oh and the Dell comes with a keyboard and mouse too. Throw in an Apple keyboard and mouse and it's £100 more. People used to be able to get the base machine for less and then upgrade when prices fell, which is all the more relevant now that CPU speeds are not advancing as they were.
Why is the Mac Mini £200 more than the Dell? Dell charges £70 for an extra 8GB RAM. Why does Apple charge £200? Dell charges £120 for an extra 256GB SSD. Why does Apple charge £200? 5 or 6 years ago I used to do this comparison and the Mac was usually 10-15% more expensive, now it's 25-30%+. I'd defend Apple against people who said that Macs were overpriced. Now, I am sad to say I agree with those people - Macs are overpriced, especially now that Windows is nowhere near as bad as it used to be, and macOS is not as good as it used to be.
Oh and despite what you like to claim, sockets for components rarely fail and other than RAM, are not performance bottlenecks. There are at least 20 other sockets in the machine that are just as likely to fail as the M.2 or RAM socket. There're sockets for microphones, speakers, backlights, aerials, ports, battery, trackpad, keyboard, keyboard backlight, touch bar, temperature sensors, fans, etc. So if sockets "perform better", why aren't these components soldered too? Why is it the best graphics cards run over PCIe rather than some proprietary interface if sockets are such a bottleneck?
Finally, non-upgradable and non-repairable components are extremely wasteful. Throwing away an entire 5k display just to upgrade the CPU is utterly absurd. As things become more green, people will look upon companies for their repair policies, and Apple's green agenda looks very hollow when you look at their desperation to prevent repairs and upgrades. The UK and the EU requires parts for some appliances (white goods) to be available for 10 years for repair - this will soon hit Apple too. No more of this vintage after 5 years and obsolete after 7 crap, Apple will be required by law to keep components available for 10 years. And to top it off, no more anti-repair pentolobe or triwing screws, repairs have to be possible with commonly available tools.
dk49 said:How can they change the RAM or Memory? Isn't it integrated in the SOC at circuit level? It's like saying you can take out four cores from the M1 to make it a quad core processor!
cloudguy said:dk49 said:If ARM has its own AI engine now, what does it mean for Apple's Neural engine? Is it possible for Apple to completely discard ARMs AI engine in their processors or they will have to build theirs on top of ARMs? If yes then will it not break ARM's licence?