chutzpah

rob53 said:

chutzpah said:

rob53 said:

Does the EU design and manufacture any cellular devices (that anyone actually buys)? Tough talk telling non EU members how to do things. Since when does any EU member country have the expertise to even decide these things? 

The EU is a political organisation, not a company.

If you mean, do any companies design and manufacture any cellular devices (that anyone actually buys) within the EU then the answer is yes.  Gigaset, Medion, Shift, and TechniSat in Germany alone.  Nokia, Alcatel, Archos, plenty of others in other countries too. Just because rob53 hasn't heard of things doesn't mean they don't exist.

Gigaset, formerly known as Siemens, flip-phones among other things
Medion, subsidiary of Lenovo (Chinese company)
Shift, "shiftphones" designed in Germany, manufactured in China, "By June 2019 Shift had sold 30,000 units."
TechniSat, satellite receivers
Nokia, I give you this one. 
Alcatel,  is a French brand of mobile handsets owned by Finnish company Nokia and used under license by Chinese electronics company TCL Technology 
Archos, tablets and some other devices. I've never heard of them but I'm not aware of all companies.

My comment about the EU stands. I know they are a political organization, bordering on a cartel (don't understand why all the member countries have ceded control to an organization instead of being independent countries), but I still believe they have too much power, especially for a political organization that doesn't know what they are doing regarding computer devices, especially their design. Until I see an EU country that actually sells cellular devices on the same level as Apple, I don't agree with them dictating to Apple how Apple MUST design their devices. If you don't like the design, buy something else.

fred stein said:

rob53 said:

Does the EU design and manufacture any cellular devices (that anyone actually buys)? Tough talk telling non EU members how to do things. Since when does any EU member country have the expertise to even decide these things? 

Great point. Not long ago, Nokia was the default mobile phone. In less than a decade, gone, with no other EU member entering. 

9secondkox2 said:

chutzpah said:

jdw said:

The fundamental problem with lawmakers is the fact they make laws and never take any old ones away.  The only built cruft atop cruft.  They sit around twiddling thumbs until somebody screams: "Hey!  We should regulate that popular thing too!"  Then they cite stupid Europeans who always lead the world in such foolishness, and the world continues to go downhill.

Of course, lawmakers aren't the only ones to blame.  The ultimate blame falls upon the people in free societies who vote the regulation monsters into office.

Looking at the bigger picture, we have so many laws on the books today that everyone is made into a law breaker.  You can't get around it.  Ever drive 41 in a 40 zone?  You're a law breaker!  The quest toward "the greater good" by the creation of new laws results in everyone eventually breaking a law of some sort.  And depending on how strictly laws are enforced in a given country, that can be very, very bad for people in general.  Indeed, I would go so far as to say it's a rather horrible situation right now.  And yet, imagine where the world will be a century from now.  I shudder at the thought, but the up side is that I won't be around then to be harmed by it.

I've lived in Japan since 1994.  The sad thing is, the general populace never rises up against government stupidity and wins.  They basically just trust the lawmakers to do the right thing, which again, amounts to nothing more that and endless stream of new laws, which slowly but surely chip away at corporate and individual liberty.  Quite sad.

Are you suggesting that driving above the speed limit shouldn't be against the law? 

What the heck? Reading comprehension man! 

The idea they put out there was there is the letter of the law and there is the spirit of the law. something every law student and enforcement personnel is taught - or at least use to be taught. 41 in a 40 is not breaking the spirit of the law, nor is jaywalking to save a child from getting run over - though they break the letter of the law. I was pulled over years ago for going 2 miles over the limit. I contested as I have a good driving record and it is so easy to go over the limit by a mile or two especially when you're. going with the flow. the officer didn't bother to show up because he knew what was going to happen - the judge dismissed the ticket. no traffic school, nothing, 

rob53 said:

Does the EU design and manufacture any cellular devices (that anyone actually buys)? Tough talk telling non EU members how to do things. Since when does any EU member country have the expertise to even decide these things?