chutzpah

davidw said:

chutzpah said:

timmillea said:

This is stereotypical EU over-reach. The European Economic Community was formed to maintain friendly relations (i.e peace) and facilitate trade between European countries after WW2. Now they are legislating on everything from bananas to buttons and wanting to create a unified European military force.  

The correct route would be to form an ISO standard for mobile phones, including battery replacement, charging etc.,  and let the manufacturer choose whether or not to comply. 

The EU is increasingly behaving like a dictator to the World - the opposite of what it was created for. 

The EU doesn't dictate anything to the world.  Apple are free to sell different iPhones with whatever kind of sealed in batteries they prefer to the rest of the world.

Are you familiar with the "Brussel Effect"? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect

Don't be so sure that the EU don't want to dictate anything to the World. Or that they are only concern about making laws and regulations for the good of the EU. 

The phrase was coined by law professor Anu Bradford in 2012. Here's the article she penned in 2012 while a law professor at Columbia Law School. It's a long read but just skimming over the each topic will give you a good idea what she is referring to with the "Brussels Effect'. 

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1081&context=nulr&httpsredir=1&referer=

She later came out with a book in 2020, titled  ..... "The Brussels Effect: How the European Union Rules the World"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu_Bradford

But to fair, the phrase was a take off of "The California Effect", that was coined in the mid 90's to describe how the State of California was able to forced companies to apply CA much stricter environmental policies through out the US because they did not what to make products with different standards for different States and they could not ignore CA large market power.  And is still happening today.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_effect

https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/livestock/article/2021/04/12/california-law-control-production

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/skittles-ban-passes-in-the-california-state-assembly/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/02/us/gavin-newsom-california-effect.html

If the all the US was the World, CA would be the EU. 

timmillea said:

This is stereotypical EU over-reach. The European Economic Community was formed to maintain friendly relations (i.e peace) and facilitate trade between European countries after WW2. Now they are legislating on everything from bananas to buttons and wanting to create a unified European military force.  

The correct route would be to form an ISO standard for mobile phones, including battery replacement, charging etc.,  and let the manufacturer choose whether or not to comply. 

The EU is increasingly behaving like a dictator to the World - the opposite of what it was created for. 

jdw said:

The fundamental problem with lawmakers is the fact they make laws and never take any old ones away.  The only built cruft atop cruft.  They sit around twiddling thumbs until somebody screams: "Hey!  We should regulate that popular thing too!"  Then they cite stupid Europeans who always lead the world in such foolishness, and the world continues to go downhill.

Of course, lawmakers aren't the only ones to blame.  The ultimate blame falls upon the people in free societies who vote the regulation monsters into office.

Looking at the bigger picture, we have so many laws on the books today that everyone is made into a law breaker.  You can't get around it.  Ever drive 41 in a 40 zone?  You're a law breaker!  The quest toward "the greater good" by the creation of new laws results in everyone eventually breaking a law of some sort.  And depending on how strictly laws are enforced in a given country, that can be very, very bad for people in general.  Indeed, I would go so far as to say it's a rather horrible situation right now.  And yet, imagine where the world will be a century from now.  I shudder at the thought, but the up side is that I won't be around then to be harmed by it.

I've lived in Japan since 1994.  The sad thing is, the general populace never rises up against government stupidity and wins.  They basically just trust the lawmakers to do the right thing, which again, amounts to nothing more that and endless stream of new laws, which slowly but surely chip away at corporate and individual liberty.  Quite sad.

jdw said:

Xed said:

jdw said:

I hate complexity and refuse to use anything that might lock me out.  Passwords are fine, and I still use 1Password to manage them.  But 2FA?  No!  Absolutely not.  I still refuse to switch it on when it comes to my Apple ID.  That means I can't use some Apple services, but so be it.  I hate it with a passion.  For what if I am accessing something from a computer without my iPhone?  Seriously!  To force me to have an iPhone is wrong.  So I keep 2FA switched off. 

Whatever solution these people come up with had better not force me to need anything other than a password.  I don't mind fingerprints and biometric access, but not ever computer has that.  Passwords really are the only decent solution that isn't complex, assuming you can remember your passwords or have 1Password save in Dropbox which can be accessed from anywhere.

What does your iPhone have to do with 2FA? I am a very heavy Mac user who only ever uses their iPhone when on the go, and I have 2FA enabled for every single account possible and those one-time passwords are saved in 1Password so I don't even have to do anything special to put them in. And for the occasional websites that use 2FA via SMS or email, that all comes to my Mac, too.

What an odd question, asked like you don't even know the answer.  But the answer is: Everything.  My iPhone bugs me to enable 2FA with every single iOS update.  My Macs leave me alone.

It's clear though that you actually like 2FA and think it makes you much safer, and so you are trying to defend it.  I hate 2FA and feel more vulnerable with it enabled, so I am clearly not going to be convinced by your support of it.  I can only be thankful that Apple still allows me the freedom go find the tiny text link back door which allows me to escape the 2FA madness by keeping that horrid thing switched off.

simbalion said:

And do you work at Reddit?  Do you understand the economics at work there?  What is “reasonable” and how did you arrive at it?  The fact is this isn’t some utopian world. Reddit’s product is a discussion forum and they need to monetize it. They have no obligation to keep their api’s even open. What if they said they wouldn’t allow third party apps at all?  

Your view that this is some “societal” or “moral” issue to protest is a bit naive. 

I would start by reading Christian Selig's side of the story.

For instance if this is anything like true, then "reasonable" is a long way away.

Apollo's price would be approximately $2.50 per month per user, with Reddit's indicated cost being approximately $0.12 per their own numbers.

A 20x increase does not seem "based in reality" to me.

Or this, for the transition period to update third party apps.

As a comparison, when Apple bought Dark Sky and announced a shut down of their API, knowing that this API was at the core of many businesses, they provided 18 months before the API would be turned off. When the 18 months came, they ultimately extended it another 12 months, resulting in a total transition period of 30 months. While I'm not asking for that much, Reddit's in comparison is 30 days.

No one is saying that Reddit doesn't have the right to do any of this.  Many are saying that they're assholes for how they're going about things.  They have no obligation to not be assholes either, but people aren't going to like it and that's why there are protests.