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  • Huawei tossed from SD Association, Wi-Fi Alliance, RAM spec group

    kimberly said:
    kimberly said:
    lkrupp said:
    genovelle said:
    mac_dog said:
    OUCH! That’s going to leave a mark. 
    The possible retaliation has the potential to  wreck havoc on our entire economy. 
    And we brought it on ourselves by constantly demanding cheaper prices, thereby all but forcing American companies to manufacture in China. So I suppose your solution is to simply capitulate to the Chinese and become their economic servants? Better Red than Dead?
    Fact: China has the second largest economy, soon the largest economy in the world.

    China is returning to the top of the economic system, a place it occupied before the industrial revolution. The days of comfortable multilateralism superintended by the USA along Jeffersonian principles is fading away.  Power and influence (setting the rules) naturally accompanies the re-ascension of China as the world's biggest economy (wealth).

    The Huawei thing, to me, is just a micro-instantiation of the much larger macro economics that are emerging and likely won't be the last.

    The re-linking of population and GDP and the flow-on return to great-power economics and politics is happening and is the world the USA is going to find itself living in. I would be surprised if any of this is news to Trump.


    Oh, you’re getting ahead of yourself. When and if China can actually home-grow an innovation that is adopted by the world, come back and post. 

    Home-grow an innovation .. no idea but I just Googled that and the top 4: paper; compass; gunpowder & type printing changed the course of human civilization so .. I have come back to post.

    What has "home-grow an innovation" got to do with the size and growth of the Chinese economy?

    China's growth in wealth is on a scale we have never seen. Beijing alone has 100+ billionaires. By some calculations China is already the largest economy in the world. It is believed by some economics forecasters that India and China will push the USA down to third place in the next decade (the USA economy has held the number one spot since 1871). The idea that China (& India) are going to be strategic clients of the USA over the next 20-30 years and kept in line by the 7th fleet is just an absurdity.

    Anyhow, a major discussion drift for this thread on economics sanctions against Huawei.
    Groan... yes, yes, paper, gunpowder, porcelain... we know that. 

    Yes, we are talking about the era of Huawei and tech here.
    StrangeDays
  • Huawei tossed from SD Association, Wi-Fi Alliance, RAM spec group

    kimberly said:
    lkrupp said:
    genovelle said:
    mac_dog said:
    OUCH! That’s going to leave a mark. 
    The possible retaliation has the potential to  wreck havoc on our entire economy. 
    And we brought it on ourselves by constantly demanding cheaper prices, thereby all but forcing American companies to manufacture in China. So I suppose your solution is to simply capitulate to the Chinese and become their economic servants? Better Red than Dead?
    Fact: China has the second largest economy, soon the largest economy in the world.

    China is returning to the top of the economic system, a place it occupied before the industrial revolution. The days of comfortable multilateralism superintended by the USA along Jeffersonian principles is fading away.  Power and influence (setting the rules) naturally accompanies the re-ascension of China as the world's biggest economy (wealth).

    The Huawei thing, to me, is just a micro-instantiation of the much larger macro economics that are emerging and likely won't be the last.

    The re-linking of population and GDP and the flow-on return to great-power economics and politics is happening and is the world the USA is going to find itself living in. I would be surprised if any of this is news to Trump.


    Oh, you’re getting ahead of yourself. When and if China can actually home-grow an innovation that is adopted by the world, come back and post. 
    StrangeDays
  • Huawei tossed from SD Association, Wi-Fi Alliance, RAM spec group


    dysamoria said:
    [...]
    Is the bigger picture really being looked at by trump supporters in this forum???
    Of course not. That’s not how his supporters work. 
    That's a stupid comment. I support Trump's actions on this front, but I do not support Trump politically in any way. Even many Democrats support him on this one, including Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders.
    StrangeDays
  • ARM severs ties with Huawei, creating crisis for future phone designs


    avon b7 said:
    acejax805 said:
    avon b7 said:
    dewme said:
    I really wish there was some objective, scientific, and non-politicized coverage of the actual issues the US has with Huawei. A lot of the concerns seem to be pure conjecture or hypotheticals and ignore the fact that all countries, US and EU ones included, have both the ability and incentives to place surveillance inside any hardware or software communication platforms and equipment, whether at the manufacturing point of origin or through interception anywhere in the supply, distribution, or service channels and pretty much regardless of where the equipment is deployed. It's not like Huawei is building a giant ship with a massive crane to mine manganese nodules from the bottom of the ocean off the east coast of the US, or anything like that...
    There is absolutely nothing more than you point out.

    The Trump administration simply didn't want to see the Chinese take a tech lead (5G for example) over the US.

    Trump tried to get other countries to do the dirty work by banning Huawei. Most of those countries refused (after requesting evidence and not getting any) and as a US ban wasn't going to be enough, he simply declared a 'national emergency' to justify an executive order. This in spite of court cases (by both sides) already being underway.

    Why wait for the legalities to be cleared up when you can skip that part altogether?

    We are now in Wild West Politics and the sheriff is acting like one of those dodgy sheriffs in some crazy western.

    Blatant protectionism and nothing else save for the conjecture and hypotheticals.

    This is not the precedent the US should be setting on a world stage. 

    Not sure what world you've been living in the last 100 or so years, but this is what politics is. This is what countries do. They manage deals, relationships, et.al. that protect their country and their interests. People are so upset that the US is finally doing the same thing. China has been doing this since the 1980s. What rock has everyone been living under? Now the outrage comes out? Disingenuous af. 
    Enlighten me with some cases on this scale.

    Protectionism. Not national security.
    Even if it's protectionism, it's quite mild compared to how China protects its markets. Heck, major world-beating tech and social networking US companies such as Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter etc, and major US financial services companies, and the websites of pretty much every major news provider in the world (there are 10,000 such) are banned in China.

    It's little wonder you guys are so ignorant. Or, as someone noted, you must be some sad little bots.
    They are banned in China because they refuse to follow the laws in China like every other company doing business in China.  Why should they get special treatment?
    Ah, the same logic applies to Huawei at al. So, no big deal. Move along.

    Silly post.
    tmayCarnage
  • ARM severs ties with Huawei, creating crisis for future phone designs


    tmay said:
    ... there is in fact a number of National Security issues with Huawei, and I posted the link to what the Australians had determined in their adversary simulations. Would you also blame the Czechs and Australia for "absolute protectionism"?
    Didn't the Dutch also recently come up with security issues vis-a-vis Huawei?
    LordeHawk