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kestral said:

cornchip said:

That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. I don’t think a libertarian judge would delight in hearing this case. In fact quite the opposite. Libertarians are typically very pro-free-market, which this case is pretty much the opposite of. 

Only one payment method allowed doesn't sound very free market.

ihatescreennames said:

I know it sounds stupid but it has long bugged me when turning on my iPad Pro while it is attached to its keyboard and positioned in landscape that the Apple logo is sideways. I’m really happy to see a change coming to that!

cloudguy said:

qwerty52 said:

I thought Zuckerberg was smarter.

He's so obsessed with Apple, that he doesn’t realize, that by his constant criticism on Apple's privacy policy, he is keeping shooting in his own foot.
But he is so stubborn, that he doesn’t want to see that his crying and shouting against Apple, has it as result, that more and more Facebook users are getting their eyes open and are realizing that Facebook is simply spying on them. 

So, no wonder that Facebook has already lost so many customers.
And this is not all.
After the latest changes in its privacy policy, are now also the users of What’sApp massively running away towards Signal.
But Zuckerberg is blind. He sees only Apple - his biggest nightmare.

You do realize that since Facebook's products and services are free and not subscription-based, without being able to monetize those users with data that they can use to help advertisers create targeted ads, then retaining all those users and maintaining infrastructure for all these people that they cannot monetize is not in their interests? Anyone who would leave Facebook because they filed a lawsuit with Apple, Facebook won't miss. That person would be more likely to subscribe to Apple's services than their own anyway if Facebook is forced to adopt a subscription-based model to survive, making them "one less mouth to feed" so to speak. 

Even if you fundamentally disagree with Facebook's business model - though this would require for you to acknowledge that this same model long preceded Facebook and is how network TV and all of radio have always existed for like 100 years - you do need to acknowledge that Apple's actions are severely harming it. Expecting Facebook to just silently take it without acting in its own interests makes no sense. It is also hypocritical because Apple is more than willing to do anything and everything to protect its own interests. It is just that you don't care about it because you like Apple more than you like the entities that Apple brings their heavy-handed tactics down on (even when they are IP creators and suppliers without whom Apple wouldn't be able to make the products that you like in the first place). 

Apple and Facebook are fundamentally diametrically opposed here in terms of rational self-interest. Apple needs "privacy" to differentiate itself from Android and their 85% market share, Facebook needs the data in order to drive its only source of revenue. You are free to pick Apple over Facebook here, but I would bet that you have no idea about what Facebook would do for its lost revenue, or that you even care whether Facebook survives or dies anyway. If anything you would cheer it because it would mean one less competitor for iMessage. Currently Facebook Messenger and its other apps give people on multiple platforms a way to communicate with iPhone users, allowing them to avoid having to buy an iPhone just to do so. So if Facebook were to collapse and it results in a few million more iPhone sales a year as a result, a good outcome for you, right? But this isn't a good outcome for Facebook at all. I hope that the people at Facebook who oppose the lawsuit know this, and that they know that they won't ALL be able to get jobs at Apple when their current employer bites the dust. 

Uhhhhh, what?

Apple is not stopping Facebook from pursuing their business model. They are giving users the option to allow or deny tracking for any app or service. That SHOULD be the choice of the user. Facebook can then determine how their business model is impacted based on collective user choices, and think of new ways to replace revenue if necessary. You don't think users should have that choice? Be serious.

And your comparison of Facebook to a "100 years" of network TV and radio advertising is completely off the mark. Traditional TV, radio and newspaper advertising was basically un-targeted. It was the polar opposite of FB tracking targeting YOU down to your history of toenail clippings if you so posted a mention or picture of it.

Apple needs "privacy"? Ummm, users don't need "privacy"?

If FB is a meaningful and innovative company, then they will do fine. If they are not, they will fare poorly. That's FB's issue, not Apple's.