macgui

I have two card on my Watch and in my Phone. I have never used the phone for Apple Pay, only my Watch.

The cards are from two different sources and are two different colors. However one thing I've noticed is the Watch considers one card my default card for AP, and it's always the first one that shows when double-tapping the side button on the Watch.

When when the Watch displays it as 'Ready', two white dots are also displayed underneath. Swiping left displays my second card. I presume this occurred because the first card is also the card I use in my iTunes account.

I've never had an occasion where my second card showed first when activating PAY. Even if it did, and both were the same color, the dots below would show me it's my second choice card, not the first.

 If I set up two different cards without one of them being my iTunes card, very likely one would still be the default, and one would be the optional choice. The order is probably dependent on which one is entered first and would be simple to verify. Enter your preferred card first, your backup (or whatever makes it second choice) last. The preferred card will be the default and always occupy the left most position. Color will make no difference and no need to remember any numbers.

This should be very easy to verify by anyone concerned and or confused by cards of the same color, again, without the need to memorize numbers.

You can buy USB adapters that can be wired to a 12V electrical circuit. It's pretty easy to find an always on 12V source. No inverter required. 

In most US cars the cigarette lighter socket (in cars that have them) and/or 12V power sockets (look just like the cigarette light socket) are alway hot. It's easy to tap into those.

In most imports, the sockets are off when the ignition is off. But it's still easy to find 12V 'live' under the dash. Unless the car's battery is in bad shape, a phone 'charging' 24/7 will take quite awhile for the parasitic drain to affect starting the car.

While a phone has to be able to make a 9-1-1 call without an account, I don't know if Find My iPhone will work without one. (For this scenario it should be assumed WiFi won't be an option.) I'm too lazy to see if FMI will work with my no-account 4S. LOL!

lkrupp said:

macgui said:

Not.Gonna.Happen. I make this statement in the hopes that Apple proves me wrong and offers a phone I want with eSIM/SIM capability. 

This would make moving to a new phone effortless. A future upgrade from that could be dual-SIM capability. But I still call Not.Gonna.Happen.

So how do you get network providers to support eSIM when they virulently oppose it?

Not my problem.

king editor the grate said:
It's been my experience with the likes of a 2g iPod touch that you can install the latest version of whatever the max OS is for that device, although it's been eons since I've tried it.

This is correct. 

No longer signing an OS means it can't be downloaded to a device that can use a later OS. An 'unsigned' OS is still available to any device that tops out at that OS.

My 4S was on iOS 7.x. I had to use it and decided to update. iOS 8 was the next step, except it was unsigned, so Apple downloaded iOS 9. Unfortunately, it's too much for my 4S and was extremely lagging. I wish Apple had made 8 the max OS for the 4S.

It my case I should have stayed at iOS 7. Since it was also unsigned, there was no going back.

nunzy said:
This won't cost Apple that much. They calculate these things, and free warranty repairs would probably have cost a lot more than what they can settle this case for.

Free warranty repairs should be part of the settlement. Replacing a problematic keyboard with the same style problematic keyboard isn't much help, either.

macxpress said:

If this is the case, its just more of there's a new Apple product out and everyone has to find a major fault in it and create a huge news story out of it, sometimes even a lawsuit. Seems to happen with every new Apple product released and usually its nothing of importance in the end. 

Except for the cases where Apple releases a product with a significant fault and they institute a silent warranty program to get it fixed. 'Nothing of importance' is relative, I guess.

Most customers will be unaware an out of warranty fix for one stuck key could cost them $700. While I'm a Mac user, I'd balk at that. I've got a 2015 MacBook, and I'm tired of its keyboard, and I wonder what it would cost to replace it should something go wrong. But I don't think its keyboard is quite the same design as those in the suits.

MKMc said:

Judging by the few replies on this post, maybe the keyboard "issue" isn't as big as it's being made out to be - I could be wrong.

You are. Very few regular posters have weighed in. This thread is fairly new, but more importantly, many probably chose not to rehash this a second time as the situation isn't much if any different from the first thread of ~200 posts. And it's just dumb to assume that a thread is somehow actually representative of the breadth of the problem.

foregoneconclusion said:
I keep hearing people make that claim, but where's the hard data? How many people have actually had the keyboard "fail" vs. just having a stuck key that can be repaired? Do other manufacturers provide any data on how reliable their keyboards are? All I know is that Apple has proven many times in the past that they have extensive testing for their hardware designs. Remember the iPhone 6 that everyone was convinced was "too bendable"? Turned out that it was well within industry standards for that. 

The hard data will come out in court or there's no case. Apple has and does extensive testing. And we all know that it doesn't make their designs 'bulletproof'. They still have problems. Remember that the iPhone 6 got a new stronger case, for apparently no reason, according to your implication. Do you have a link to those 'industry standards'?

I get that Apple is a bigger target for media than other brands, but that doesn't excuse them when they fall short.

sflocal said:

Late 2017 MBP owner.  Keyboard is a non-issue, noise is a non-issue, usability is a non-issue.

As it applies to you. Otherwise that's a bullshit statement. There are a lot of people who don't share your opinion, and rightfully so.

sflocal said:

Late 2017 MBP owner.  Keyboard is a non-issue, noise is a non-issue, usability is a non-issue.

Stop complaining if you haven’t used one, or used one for only 1 minute at a store.  Apple gives you 14 days to try it.  Why aren’t we seeing news of people returning them in droves after purchase for this?

...if these new keyboards do in fact fail from a speck of dust, that’s an issue that should be addressed.

WTF? Just because an individual hasn't experienced the problem doesn't mean they can't voice a concern. Saying they've had a problem when they haven't is different and wrong. 

If you're used to typing on something you like, it only takes a minute to know if this is something you don't like. The notion 'you'll get used to it' is bullshit. Some people will, as I have, begrudgingly. It's also taken a lot more than 14 days. A LOT more. Some people won't. And 'getting used to' isn't the same as liking it.

As for not returning them in droves, what are the sale figures compared to previous models? Are they being sold in droves? There are huge discounts being offered on these, and I have to wonder what kind of stockpile Apple has. There doesn't seem to be any sign of channels drying up.

Apple's pursuit of slimness is the problem. They have said out loud that this keyboard was designed with that pursuit in mind. As a result they have a noisy keyboard compare to industry standards (LMAO). That one bad key requires Apple's degree of repair is unconscionable.

This is the last MacBook I'll buy until Apple improves keyboard feel and noise. Key travel isn't strictly the issue for me, but it is related to the on-off nature of the keys.

I disagree this is all a matter of perception. 'You're just holding it wrong' was wrong as is 'you're just not used to it'.

Maybe Apple will change their design and provide what I and others feel is a more user-friendly keyboard. I hope so. But then I'm also hoping for a new and improved Mac mini. I can dream...