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charlesn said:

Stabitha_Christie said:

charlesn said:

Stabitha_Christie said:

Wesley_Hilliard said:

Stabitha_Christie said:

I love a good rumor as much as the next person but can we not normalize this kind of behavior? While it isn't illegal to take someone's photo in public is still an invasion of privacy and promoting this kind of thing will only lead to more instances of this kind of thing. 

Sorry to say, but the law is quite clear, when in public, it is fair game. While I can't take a photo of someone and use it commercially, there's nothing stopping anyone from taking photos, recording video, or capturing audio of anyone in public.

Like I said in the piece, it's not something that's going to be a problem because these kinds of design changes are very rare. Nearly every other prototype iPhone has looked identical to its predecessor with the exception of iPhone X, which was prototyped in a literal brick-sized box IIRC.

I wouldn't worry about this becoming a common way to leak iPhone information.

Not sure if you missed the point or intentionally avoiding it. I clearly stated it wasn’t illegal but legality doesn’t make it right. People should be able to go out in public without someone photographing them. When you use the photos you are ultimately enabling the behavior. Cool that you didn’t break the law but did y’all make the right choice. This person now has their pictures splattered around the internet. The news value?  That there is a new phone and if you put in a giant case no one will see what it looks like? Stop the presses! 

Stabitha, I hear the Photography Police are actively recruiting. Give it some thought. Seems like you'd be an enthusiastic candidate. 

Yes, suggesting that we should respectful of people's privacy is really just me being overbearing. What a terrible world it would be if we respected each other.

This is YOUR idea of what's respectful and how the world should work. And I fully support your right to live your life this way! Have at it! But like most pompous, overbearing people, you believe your POV is correct and that anyone who doesn't abide by it is wrong--in this particular case, they're being disrespectful. No--we just don't agree with your opinion, that's all. 

But it's ok when you do it. The irony is adorable.

winstoner71 said:

Some of you need to stop being such Karens. This is news. Good reporting. 

Some of "you" need to stop being such Dicks, calling people Karens for merely sharing an opinion. It is news in a limited context. Good reporting? Maybe. Besides, I like the idea of a surprise even if it's not that much "new" to unveil.

Stabitha_Christie said:

Wesley_Hilliard said:

Stabitha_Christie said:

I love a good rumor as much as the next person but can we not normalize this kind of behavior? While it isn't illegal to take someone's photo in public is still an invasion of privacy and promoting this kind of thing will only lead to more instances of this kind of thing. 

Sorry to say, but the law is quite clear, when in public, it is fair game. While I can't take a photo of someone and use it commercially, there's nothing stopping anyone from taking photos, recording video, or capturing audio of anyone in public.

Like I said in the piece, it's not something that's going to be a problem because these kinds of design changes are very rare. Nearly every other prototype iPhone has looked identical to its predecessor with the exception of iPhone X, which was prototyped in a literal brick-sized box IIRC.

I wouldn't worry about this becoming a common way to leak iPhone information.

...I clearly stated it wasn’t illegal but legality doesn’t make it right. People should be able to go out in public without someone photographing them. When you use the photos you are ultimately enabling the behavior. Cool that you didn’t break the law but did y’all make the right choice. 

I agree. Enabling bad behavior doesn't help. But that's another genie that will never be put back in the bottle. Paparazzi selling their pics to tabloids because the public believes in "their right to know" proves that. This and every other tech news/rumor site operates on much the same way. I doubt that many sites pay for this kind of "news" not that it matters much. So I agree in a better world this wouldn't have happened. We have to make peace the best we can and pick our battles.

Let's assume this is an actual pic and not AI. Sunglasses knew he'd be the subject of pics if the rumors of his security team are accurate. The whole situation gives me a "staged" feel. Who is he? An Apple employee doesn't seem probably. Why was he photographing the alleged 17 outdoors in what appears to be a public area? Who provided the phone? Is this an Official Apple Leak?

Then there's a question (of me at least) of whether or not as previously mentioned this is an AI generated rendering and not a photo. The third finger of the left hand looks to be obscured by some artifact. Sunglasses' reflection in the 17 looks to me to be at a wrong angle. Sunglasses' sunglasses reflect almost completely different images. That might be explained by a bend in a bridge. That whole situation gives me "fake" feel.

All speculation on my part. You're all free to move about the cabin.

AppleZulu said:

That's a great review, but it failed to answer the biggest question: What is the use for this, beyond, "hey look, it folds"? 

If you have to ask the question, it's not for you. How can people who obviously think they know tech, not see the advantage of a folding phone even if it's not for them? Seriously. I have no reason to own a pickup truck but I see the utility, even if I'll never need it. You don't have to be a visionary to see it. Or maybe you do.

"An iPad mini in your pocket" someone said. That makes perfect sense to me. Even if I have no reason to have an iPad mini with me. No doubt someone does.

"It's not an iPad mini, it's an Android tablet". Brilliant response. Utter fucking genius. Of course it's not an iPad mini. But it sets a high bar for for a folder. I have no need for a folder. Except when I'm out somewhere and want to actually read something online. Presbyopia isn't fun and Rx lenses only help so much with a phone. To be able to open phone and actual read something without having to scrollscrollscroll would be very nice.

I try watching the odd YT review video online from time to time, not fun for me. No way I'd watch a movie or TV on a phone, but I've seen a lot of people doing so. A folder might offer the viewing experience I can't get with a regular phone.

Pricey. Niche. Novelty. Blah.Blah.Blah. Yeah some will by a folder because it folds. Something like Noem fighting crime while wearing a Cosmograph Daytona. But others will benefit from having a folder for their viewing preferences. They'll have to endure the pejorative remarks from know it alls like the first AirPod customers.

In a couple of years when folders are a thing though not ubiquitous, current naysays will be sayin how they knew it was the next big thing. The N5 sets a high bar. I hope Apple answers the challenge.

elijahg said:

retrogusto said:

dijital said:

Who keeps asking Apple for an even thinner iPhone with worse battery life? I’ve never met anyone with those requirements.

Even thinner? They’ve been getting thicker with basically every new release for the past 11 years, and this is what keeps me from upgrading until I absolutely have to. Nobody wishes for worse battery life, of course, but I would love it if they could make something with the same thickness (6.9mm), weight (129g) and battery life as the iPhone 6 from 2014 (or in that ballpark) but with more modern specs. And maybe they should devote more resources to developing really great battery cases for people who don’t mind the bulk but need more battery life.

On behalf of all of those who want a phone to be functional and useful for a longer period of time versus being 2mm thinner, how is 2mm thinner with 25% less battery life an acceptable tradeoff to you? 

Not that I'm a heavy user but I could never live with that. I have friends who have no worries every getting down to 20%-30% battery life and it's not the end of the day. None of them carry a charger aren't worried. It seems to work for them but I'd have Percentage Anxiety. Apple probably dropped the MagSafe Battery because non-mini MagSafe phones don't really need it for most users. Or Apple says they don't.

Apple didn't deliver the mini with the battery life I wanted. I compromised because the compact size was better than the other phones, even though it wasn't a 5S. With a car charger and a MagSafe battery on occasion, I can get through a 12 hour shift with no anxiety.

The comments show a whole lot of uneducated speculation as fact for a product that hasn't shipped or even been announced yet, based on rumors of that unannounced rumored product specs.

There are ribbon cables that once had a comparatively limited flex life compared to today's cables. Technology marches on. Who's to say that Apple hasn't worked with someone to develop a screen that has hundreds of thousands of flexes without crease. Wait we've got an expert in that field right here who knows what Apple can and can't do.

A folding phone is a niche product. News flash: water is wet. Unless it's dehydrated Instant Water crystals. There are other manufacturers selling folding phones. They're niche products. Whodda thunk it. Apple make a niche product? Never. Well, there is the Apple Vision Pro. It's a thing. Pricy, heavy, still needs some work. But a very niche product. Apple is said to be working on other models. They will probably sell better than the AVP, but they'll still be a niche product. So Apple shipping a folding phone which could sell better than the AVP doesn't seem like a huge stretch.

It will be pricey. Some will own one to show off. Forum experts will spin that any say anyone who owns one is just showing off. But if someone can afford to buy one in the first place, maybe they might get on some new phone every year or two years plan. That's not me. Not for any phone at any price. I buy outright. But that's just one datapoint and use case. There are a lot of people who get a new phone every one or two years.

There are customers who will benefit from a phone with a screen smaller than an iPad mini and bigger than any non-folding phone to date. That would necessitate a folding phone. Some people lack the vision to see such a simple niche market.

Apple wouldn't have to make a folding screen that lasts forever without creasing. Just make it last one or two model years. Trade the phone in for a new one with a perfect screen. Done, till next time.

Only a fool takes a picture with an iPad? WTF, Einstein. You have an iPad, you see something you want to capture, you click. An iPad to be used primarily as a camera isn't the best choice for most people. But I don't doubt it is for some. Others, you shoot with what you got. Taking an iPad to venues to use as a camera does annoy me if it blocks my view.

Were you one of those who said all the people with AirPods will look like dorks? Because they had 'buds in their ears that didn't have a cord attached? Now no one gives it a second thought. Not that they should.

To that end we don't yet know how Apple will handle using the phone as a camera. They might have an 'external' screen visible with the phone closed. In that case a pic could be taken without ever opening the phone. Your fears of an iPad as camera world neatly averted. The same would go for checking date or time, texts and any other alerts, all without opening the phone. Or maybe not. Maybe they'll think anyone who can afford their folder will have a Watch for the light lifting. Who knows. Not anyone here.

The original iPhone was $499 and $599. Not cheap compared to some phones, and only that 'cheap' because ATT subsidized the cost to consumer. It was a niche product for a few years, though probably selling in greater numbers in its early years than a folding iPhone, if there is such a product.

All of this is speculation based on rumors. I won't be getting one but I'm excited to see Apple's take, you know, if they making a folder.