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US Senate greenlights anti-robocalling bill to combat 'daily deluge'
Capitalism regulates itself better than any other system. My point was Paul is more of a libertarian and holds a highly skeptical and cautious view of Federal authority.dysamoria said:
Because capitalism and capitalists regulate themselves so well... Proven by how USELESS telephones are now for phone calls thanks to dialer abuse and phone scams. </s>sdw2001 said:rgh71 said:Who is the a-hole that voted against this?
I just looked it up. It was Rand Paul, which is who I suspected. I don't think he's made a statement on it yet, but he will often vote against things based on his views on government power.
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US Senate greenlights anti-robocalling bill to combat 'daily deluge'
Meanwhile, robocallers everywhere are gearing up to lobby the House not pass the bill
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ARM severs ties with Huawei, creating crisis for future phone designs
avon b7 said:
What you just posted tacitly admitted that there is 'nothing in the bag' on Huawei. Something that simply confirms the madness in all this.tmay said:avon b7 said:
There is absolutely nothing more than you point out.dewme said:I really wish there was some objective, scientific, and non-politicized coverage of the actual issues the US has with Huawei. A lot of the concerns seem to be pure conjecture or hypotheticals and ignore the fact that all countries, US and EU ones included, have both the ability and incentives to place surveillance inside any hardware or software communication platforms and equipment, whether at the manufacturing point of origin or through interception anywhere in the supply, distribution, or service channels and pretty much regardless of where the equipment is deployed. It's not like Huawei is building a giant ship with a massive crane to mine manganese nodules from the bottom of the ocean off the east coast of the US, or anything like that...
The Trump administration simply didn't want to see the Chinese take a tech lead (5G for example) over the US.
Trump tried to get other countries to do the dirty work by banning Huawei. Most of those countries refused (after requesting evidence and not getting any) and as a US ban wasn't going to be enough, he simply declared a 'national emergency' to justify an executive order. This in spite of court cases (by both sides) already being underway.
Why wait for the legalities to be cleared up when you can skip that part altogether?
We are now in Wild West Politics and the sheriff is acting like one of those dodgy sheriffs in some crazy western.
Blatant protectionism and nothing else save for the conjecture and hypotheticals.
This is not the precedent the US should be setting on a world stage.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-usa-5g-specialreport/special-report-hobbling-huawei-inside-the-u-s-war-on-chinas-tech-giant-idUSKCN1SR1EU?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
"Europeans pushed back, too. During one closed-door session, senior representatives from European telecom operators pressed a U.S. official for hard evidence that Huawei presented a security risk. One executive demanded to see a smoking gun, recalled the U.S. official.The American official fired back: “If the gun is smoking, you’ve already been shot. I don’t know why you’re lining up in front of a loaded weapon.”
I suspect that the U.S. sees Huawei as both "personal' and "strategic" to both Xi and China, based on all of the telegraphing Huawei and China have been doing about Huawei's breadth of accomplishments and basic resistance to Huawei.
"Politics is war by other means"
https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/clausewitz-war-as-politics-by-other-means
Or, as Tony Soprano might say, "We're going to bust their balls"
Xi should have never backed out on the agreements that they made in the earlier trade negotiations.
"BEIJING — China’s leader, Xi Jinping, seemed confident three weeks ago that a yearlong trade war with the United States could soon subside, handing him a potent political victory.
He even made a speech saying China would protect intellectual property, encourage foreign investment, and buy more goods and services from abroad — all changes the United States had been demanding as the countries tried to negotiate a deal.
But just a week after that speech, Chinese negotiators sent the Americans a substantially rewritten draft agreement, prompting President Trump to accuse Beijing of reneging on terms that had been settled.
That has left hopes for a historic breakthrough in tatters."
Credit to the Czechs and Australians for leading off against Huawei.
However, we don't need much more than Trump's own words to see why this is happening. The fact that he is getting away with it (at least so far) says a lot about the damage he is causing around the world. I really can't see it lasting.
China is preparing a response (according to the latest rumours) that puts Apple squarely in its crosshairs as a tit-for-tat counter for the Huawei move and that will supposedly hit multibillion dollar Chinese investments in the US.
The 'smoking gun' reference is a sign of how low things have got. Did he not understand that, through that reference, he will have to accept that other powers will be able to argue their cases in exactly the same way? Or does he think that only the US should be allowed that 'right'?
This is pure, absolute protectionism. Nothing more.
1. What's in the bag? The Chinese government's relationship to private industry.
2. What "damage" is Trump causing around the world? I'm quite serious.
3. China does not have the economic firepower to drastically affect us. The only thing they could really do is dump U.S. treasuries onto the market. That would tank our economy, which in turn would tank the world economy. It's suicide. We could eliminate all trade with China within a few years and we'd recover just fine. China would not. They are 2% of our economy. We are 20% of theirs.
4. This is not protectionism. This is called "fighting the war we have." Trump is using tariffs to force China to make a better deal and get them to stop their blatant IP theft and cheating on trade. The war doesn't go away just because you pretend it doesn't exist (just as every Republican and Democrat administration did before Trump).
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ARM severs ties with Huawei, creating crisis for future phone designs
tzeshan said:
Apparently AI has a lot of people who cannot use logic.sdw2001 said:tzeshan said:
All are one sided biased talks.sdw2001 said:avon b7 said:
There is absolutely nothing more than you point out.dewme said:I really wish there was some objective, scientific, and non-politicized coverage of the actual issues the US has with Huawei. A lot of the concerns seem to be pure conjecture or hypotheticals and ignore the fact that all countries, US and EU ones included, have both the ability and incentives to place surveillance inside any hardware or software communication platforms and equipment, whether at the manufacturing point of origin or through interception anywhere in the supply, distribution, or service channels and pretty much regardless of where the equipment is deployed. It's not like Huawei is building a giant ship with a massive crane to mine manganese nodules from the bottom of the ocean off the east coast of the US, or anything like that...
The Trump administration simply didn't want to see the Chinese take a tech lead (5G for example) over the US.
Trump tried to get other countries to do the dirty work by banning Huawei. Most of those countries refused (after requesting evidence and not getting any) and as a US ban wasn't going to be enough, he simply declared a 'national emergency' to justify an executive order. This in spite of court cases (by both sides) already being underway.
Why wait for the legalities to be cleared up when you can skip that part altogether?
We are now in Wild West Politics and the sheriff is acting like one of those dodgy sheriffs in some crazy western.
Blatant protectionism and nothing else save for the conjecture and hypotheticals.
This is not the precedent the US should be setting on a world stage.
This is incredibly naive. It's not just an insecure platform or the specter of secret surveillance/tracking. It's about:1. The relationship between the Communist Party/Government and "private" business.
2. The requirements placed upon said business, including surveillance and cooperation with government "requests" (e.g. spying, targeting).
3. China's advanced cyber and and industrial espionage programs
4. The company's advanced presence in 5G technology, which will soon be deployed world-wide.
In the end, this about China's wish to be globally dominant in all areas. Technology/the Internet is a key goal for them. Imagine an Internet run, in essence, by the Communist Chinese instead of the free market West. Huawei is not just some company that might be risky to do business with. They are an integral part of China's government, which seeks world domination. This is is why we are banning them. China has had it out for us since the late 1970's. They have been executing a 75 year plan to take us on militarily, economically and geopolitically. By 2050, their goal is to be the world's Super Power.
But yeah, that Trump is nuts, huh?
Apparently AI has bots.
It's logical to write "all biased talks" and just move on? I'm stating facts based on what we've learned over the past 30+ years. I'm citing publicly announced policies and positions. I'm referring to actual events that have taken place. Your position is "LIES! ALL LIES!"
Please, tell me more about "logic."
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ARM severs ties with Huawei, creating crisis for future phone designs
tzeshan said:
You are being fooled about the IP-thieving accusation. It is done by Chinese companies. Chinese government has repeatedly denied it and the denial are simply ignored.anantksundaram said:
Your creating an equivalency, regarding the quality of information provided by a democratically elected, accountable government (Trump's and Obama's, both of whom have found issues with Huawei -- in fact, Trump is merely following up on many of the issues left over from the Obama administration) operating in a society with a free press to a draconian IP-thieving communist dictatorship that controls speech and movement, is beyond troubling.dewme said:I really wish there was some objective, scientific, and non-politicized coverage of the actual issues the US has with Huawei.
It's actually shocking.
Maybe because they are lying?You are full of logic mistakes just like the US government. Huawei is a private company as it has insisted. In order to justify the statement that China is a draconian IP-thieving communist dictatorship, the China bashers insisted that Huawei is a Chinese government entity although they provided no evidence.
There is absolutely no argument that the relationship between the Chinese government and Chinese corporations is incestuous. The Chinese government is Communist and is stealing IP through espionage and forced technology transfers. The Chinese government is draconian, particularly when it comes to dissent and freedom of speech. Go to China and do a search for Tiananmen Square, the anniversary of which is approaching. You'll find nothing. Huawei may not be an "agency" of the government, but they are beholden to the government. They are uncomfortably close with the government. The United States cannot tolerate a company like that getting a major foothold in our tech infrastructure.The situation is like when Bush wants to attack Iraq he has to justify Saddam is making WMD. The war proved that it is big lie. But US did nothing in regard to the lie. So US is very accustomed to making lies about other nations. and taking no responsibility. All the leaders can do is announcing national interests and national emergency. And these are lies. US fabricated a lot of facts. Is the western world which triumphed with scientific revolution to lead the world are falling into? Fabricating facts just not Christian culture? Democracy can thrive only through lies?That is a silly analogy. I won't get into the WMD debate, because it's clear you have no understanding or interest in what actually happened there. I will say that coming in here claiming all the facts we know about China are a "big lie" is laughable. I called you a bot in my previous post. It's possible that you're just a paid Chinese propagandist. Their ambassador was on FNC the other night, and I caught him while I was flipping around. He spouted the same blatant denials you have. No evidence? You have to be kidding me. Would you like a list of companies victimized by cyber espionage? Would you like to look into the OPM hack? Or the fact that China spends at least twice as much on its military as it claims? Or tell me about the Belt and Road initiative? Or Made in China 2025. They are telling us their goals. They want domination in industry, technology, military, financially, etc. This has been the plan for 40 years.
The Chinese people are being ruled by a brutal Communo-Capitalist cabal that wants to dominate the globe. They simply put a nicer face on it than the Soviets did. They are also much more dangerous, because they don't just have a bunch of nukes aimed at us. They want complete control of every industry I've laid out. They've learned from the Soviets' mistakes. They've allowed enough quasi-captalism to get the prosperity needed to fund their expansion. The only good news is we still outrank them in virtually every area. Our trade deficit allows us to call the shots, like we're doing now. We could do far more harm to them by reducing or even eliminating trade with them one ra period of years. Their economy depends on double digit growth and they have 300 million people living like it was 1,000 years ago. Now is the time to stand up to them.
