darkpaw

Sorry, Russian guy, sorry that the Apple Card (which is definitely marketed as a credit card) doesn't have the ability to, say, interfere in foreign elections. Perhaps Apple are working on that? Can't wait for HSBC to start delivering food... /s

Will they be bringing this to the UK? We haven't even got Apple Pay Cash yet, so I guess we need that first (or does your daily cashback go onto the Apple Card as a kind of payment?).

Goldman Sachs now has their Marcus bank over here in the UK, so they do have a necessary presence.

avon b7 said:

darkpaw said:

Where is Samsung's innovation with facial recognition? Apple has innovated there. Samsung hasn't...

I have no idea why you focus on Samsung. Huawei has done more with its 3D depth sensing than Apple, for example.

Precisely my point. That's why I mentioned Samsung. Samsung has not innovated while Huawei has.

The point here is that some Android makers are innovating and some aren't, and if that's the case, why must Apple innovate more and faster than Android makers?

And, suggesting that Apple did "literally NOTHING" is just incorrect.

avon b7 said:

The OP brought up the subject of Apple's lack of innovation with iPhone in recent years.

That was countered by a list of 'innovation' but which actually struggled to put a dent in the OP's observation.

To the point that the list actually did very little to change the notion of Apple's lack of innovation and even drew attention to it by naming dubious examples (better battery life) and duplicity (Bionic, CPU, GPU).

Here's the original post:

People are always critical that Android makers are copying Apple. What innovation has Apple brought to iPhones recently? Thinner - yes, a newer camera - yes, increased speed in opening Safari - yes. Higher pricing to make it look cooler and more exclusive to the editorial writer here who says higher prices are better - yes. Beyond that? Not much between my current iPhone and the 6 I have as a backup. 

The OP didn't say how Android maker's phones were innovative and Apple's iPhones weren't, so I didn't really have a list to go against; I just made a list of some innovations Apple has implemented over the years. The OP merely expressed the opinion that Apple hasn't innovated - without providing a reason for their comment. Why must I prove Apple has been innovative, but the OP gets away with merely saying they aren't? I'd say it's now up to them to counter mine and others' comments.

Iterations on a common element can be innovative, or are you suggesting Apple should replace the battery every year with some new non-Li-ion power tech, then replace it again next year with something completely new again? And the display should be completely different, too? Year 1: LCD, Year 2: OLED, Year 3: Holograms, Year 4: Frikkin' lasers beaming images directly into your retinas?

A phone with a folding screen that breaks within a day might be innovative, but it's also indicative of poor execution and a terrible desire to rush an unfinished product to market.

How do you know Apple aren't working on folding screens? Just because they haven't released a product with a folding display yet does not mean they aren't being innovative; it just means they're not ready yet. Where is Samsung's innovation with facial recognition? Apple has innovated there. Samsung hasn't, but the folding screen of their latest handset is the only thing we're allowed to confirm innovation against? Should Apple have to release unfinished products at the same time as Samsung release a product with some 'innovative' feature so we can tick boxes on a comparison sheet to gauge how innovative each company is?

bulk001 said:

Try Face ID when you are shooting on a tripod. Doesn’t work. 
Haha - Bionic CPU. What does that even mean?
Incremental update. I asked 5 people in my office if a bionic cpu played any role in their purchase decision. It did not. 2 had just purchased phones and they were not Apple. One based on cost and one based on better sound in the phone he got. 
Incremental update. 
Incremental update. 
Incremental update based on an app that’s they refused into the App Store. 
Incremental update. 
Etc etc etc. Almost all of your examples are slight updates on a maturing OS and not a revolutionary change.
One area Apple is being revolutionary and where I don’t want to sell them short is on privacy but this is not a hardware design revolution. 

- Try Touch ID when your fingers are wet. Try typing in a password when you're drunk, etc. Problems with individual use cases do not dispute the fact that Face ID is the fastest and most secure facial recognition on any mobile phone anywhere.
- Bionic CPU: https://www.apple.com/iphone-xs/a12-bionic/
- You asked some people you work with if the Bionic CPU helped in their purchase decision? Okay. What does that prove? That some people said no? Others say yes. Who's right? It's just a marketing term for the features of the chip; features which are new and useful, and thus, innovative.

You cannot expect Apple to re-invent the phone every year. That's not possible, and it's also something NO OTHER COMPANY IS DOING EITHER! Why must you have higher standards for Apple than other companies?