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anton zuykov said:

bulk001 said:

maciekskontakt said:

randominternetperson said:

What's the legal justification for searching their phones at all?  If I punch you in the face, can the police get a search warrant to search my house?  What does rioting and destruction of property have to do with your personal information and communications?  Searching the phone sounds like an unreasonable search and taking it in the first place seems like an unreasonable seizure.  They caught these guys red handed and have all the evidence they need to get convictions.  That should be enough.

Presumably the argument will be that they are trying to find evidence for someone "inciting a riot" but they should be able to solve that part of the case with old fashioned interrogation and deal-making with the hundreds of people they arrested.

Yes. It is called hard evidence. If you punch someone in face you go to jail. You are lucky that you just go to jail.... some of us are licensed to carry in many states and that may end-up quite differently including search of phones. So let's stop at that.

Yes. A death sentence for throwing a punch. Red America. And red in more ways than one. 

That is a strawman. If a person throws a punch at you, how do you know what his intentions will be AFTER that punch? Does he wanna throw some more punches and then finish you with a knife, or would one punch be enough? You dont know, but he has already attacked you, so it is reasonable to assume that person wants you dead or injured.
When you throw a punch at a person, you have just given that person a right to use deadly force, if he can prove later, that it was reasonable for him to think he was in danger. I like that every person has the right to defend himself. Sure, responding with a gun to a fist fight might be an overkill ( no pun intended) but a person with a gun was not the one who had the option of choosing if he wants to start the violence or not. 

Besides, if you don't wanna get killed for throwing a punch, DONT THROW PUNCHES without a good reason. That might help to pass throw Darwin filter, you know. Just saying....

wiggin said:

Soli said:

wood1208 said:

We need to strengthen USA's intelligence safeguards and punish by death(him/her and their family) if anyone from inside leak any intelligence. Today, it may be silly inforamtion that CIA trying to create tools to hack IOS but tomorrow it can leak about the brave intelligence undersover agent's names which can put their life in harms-way, get killed.

You're equating whistleblowers to treason and wanting us to put our head in the sand when there are real security risks. Unfortunately, not enough people are proactive enough in protecting themselves from threats.

We also see irrational outlets of fear. For example, people on this forum afraid that the Amazon Echo listening for the Alexa keyword means that it's recording everything, yet not once considering that their PC's microphone could be recording everything without their knowledge. Where is the logic in thinking that because Amazon says they listen for a keyword that it's any less secure than your PC, which you could've given admin rights via an app that is connected to your mic, camera, and display?

Kill entire families? So the Geneva Convention or just any level of humanity is no longer a consideration? I don't want to live in that world.

I 100% agree with your response to the call for “punishment by death” statement of the original post which is clearly absurd. But I’d strongly contend that the release of these document would not be considered whistleblowing (based on what we know so far).

This AI article is one of the few that discuss this issue in a level-headed manner. Of course the CIA works on developing these tools! Anyone who would be surprised by this would also be surprised to learn that their local police department has jail cells (which could be used to wrongfully imprison you) and the fire department has axes (which they could attack you with). It’s their job to have these tools, and their responsibility to use them lawfully. And if they don’t, they need to be held accountable, which is where whistleblowing may come into the picture.

As far as I’m aware, so far these documents fall into the “that’s their job” category and haven’t provided any evidence that they’ve been illegally deployed against US citizens. Of course, there are entities out there who love the FUD these “revelations” create even if they know that the facts are being grossly misrepresented/misunderstood.

adm1 said:

avon b7 said:

Government snooping is a necessary evil in the modern world but for the vast majority it shouldn't be cause for concern.

Generally yes, but when it's used for political gain or to sway public opinion then that IS affecting the insignificant majority. The "umbrage" part of the leak I found the most interesting, that the CIA collects exploits and hacks from others (russia, china etc.) and uses them to hide it's tracks and incriminate others.

cali said:

patsu said:

Perhaps gesture around the watch face would do the trick. Then again, should be doable on AppleWatch too.

I suggested this when the Watch was announced and got bashed to hell. I don't feel the Digital Crown is Apple-like but I also don't own a Watch so maybe it's not such a pain to twist a tiny outdated mechanical dial.