tipoo

maestro64 said:

it is now coming down to software optimization. pure processor power is not enough, unless the underlining code is optimize around the processor users will never see the performance. Even though the benchmarks try to work directly with the processor they can not they still have to interface with the operating system to execute code on the processor. The only way to eliminate the operating systems is to remove and replace it with the benchmark software which we know is not happening.

This is why Apple has the advantage and will always have the advantage. Google can not optimize their software to work with all the versions of processors.

Apple is shipping the widest ARM cores out there at 6-issue, everyone else is still playing with 4-issue. Nvidia tried 7 but their binary translation attempt made performance too weird. 

Since core complexity goes up exponentially with width, Apple is also spending twice as much silicon per core, or at least were last year as the competition. 

Point being it's not just some ambiguous whole banana optimization, Apple is shipping the most advanced ARM CPU cores in a phone period  regardless of OS. For the Exynos Anandtech does mention it's a pre-release scheduler so some of it could be software, but even if things were perfectly optimized it would not be as good per clock as Apples wide core. 

all day breakfast said:

It’s ironic that Steve Sinofsky, former head or Microsoft Windows (not sure of his exact title), has become a user and strong supporter of Apple products. He’s knowledgeable about the internal workings of software development in large corporations. Interesting comments and observations IMO.

I'd kinda like to see him working for Apple directly. His observations have been good. 

daven said:

tipoo said:

I think it's really neat they went with an actively cooled A10X. 

Now that that's in there though, I think they should aggressively court game developers to take advantage of it. Maybe even have small internal efforts! 

Apple does have an advantage by having their own chips.

Exactly. Even among dedicated console makers, making ones own chips, OS, compilers, APIs and tools, is a rare combination, right now they've settled on semi-custom AMD efforts. 

Apple with nearly full stack control could make the ATV into a nifty microconsole. I'd love to see them start partnering and/or gobbling up some smaller studios and working on highly polished ATV exclusives for use with gamepads. 

I think it's really neat they went with an actively cooled A10X. 

Now that that's in there though, I think they should aggressively court game developers to take advantage of it. Maybe even have small internal efforts!