Pesky Psystar to emerge from Chapter 11 with new Mac offering

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  • Reply 61 of 227
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Funny, since nothing in your post explains why she should not choose the iMac. You seem to miss the point in Family Guy Peter character. Peter is some one who try to act smart and answer questions with answers that have nothing to do with the question



    I did explain, but you didn't catch on: I said it's like comparing a dvd/tv combo to a home theater.



    So what happens when the dvd player in a dvd/tv combo breaks? What happens when you want a bigger monitor on an imac?



    The imac is a cool machine, but it's completely impractical to compare it to a loaded dell xps.



    Why would the soccer mom want either of those!?
  • Reply 62 of 227
    tawilsontawilson Posts: 484member
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    It would only be a "much better deal" if the differences resulted in real world advantages. From a practical perspective, it doesn't.



    You keep telling yourself they'll have no benefit in the real world. But I'm sure 6GB/sec on memory alone will make a world of difference.



    And how can you say that two CPUs won't have much real world benefit over 1, what planet are you living on?
  • Reply 63 of 227
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Nano_tube View Post


    Requesting common hardware these days is specific?

    And because I want great common hardware for a decent price I am selfish?



    You want a company to make a machine (simply because you want it and they have the technical capabilities) that they don?t currently feel like making. A market segment that is shrinking. Yet you have made no made no mention of any other PC vendor. I want a 1? notebook from Dell that is made from unibody aluminum enclosure. I know they can do it so why don?t they make one for me. The customer is always right, after all.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    It would only be a "much better deal" if the differences resulted in real world advantages. From a practical perspective, it doesn't.



    As a consumer, you are right, but since the Mac Pro is s professional workstation not targeted at consumers, you are not correct.
  • Reply 64 of 227
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by tawilson View Post


    You keep telling yourself they'll have no benefit in the real world. But I'm sure 6GB/sec on memory alone will make a world of difference.



    And how can you say that two CPUs won't have much real world benefit over 1, what planet are you living on?



    Did I ever say two cpu's wouldn't? We're comparing single cpu setups here, try and keep up.



    As to single cpu setups: The 5500 series is able to run in a dual socket environment, but the 3520 is essentially an i7 920, and is meant for a single socket setup. Does everyone need a dual socket setup???



    As to comparing single cpu performance: I have more than enough experience to be trusted in this type of thing.
  • Reply 65 of 227
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Why would the soccer mom want either of those!?



    Maybe you know a soccer mom that likes to geek out with the ability to upgrade the CPU, switch out the monitor, upgrade the video card, etc. but that isn’t the average soccer mom. Hell, it’s not even the average computer user, as seen by the move away from towers and towards all inclusive designs.
  • Reply 66 of 227
    tawilsontawilson Posts: 484member
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Did I ever say two cpu's wouldn't? We're comparing single cpu setups here, try and keep up.



    Good point, my bad!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    As to single cpu setups: The 5500 series is able to run in a dual socket environment, but the 3520 is essentially an i7 920, and is meant for a single socket setup. Does everyone need a dual socket setup???



    As to comparing single cpu performance: I have more than enough experience to be trusted in this type of thing.



    Dual socket setup is definitely used by those who the Mac Pro is aimed at.
  • Reply 67 of 227
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    As a consumer, you are right, but since the Mac Pro is s professional workstation not targeted at consumers, you are not correct.



    Well that's where I'm coming from and I think where nano tube is coming from as well.



    Hell, if I was a professional movie editor, I'd get a mac pro completely loaded. I'm not alone in saying that I'm not a professional movie editor, however, and I don't need the level of hardware offered, but at the same time, I would NEVER use a mac mini or imac. I'm not alone by a long shot dude.
  • Reply 68 of 227
    nano_tubenano_tube Posts: 114member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    You want a company to make a machine (simply because you want it and they have the technical capabilities) that they don?t currently feel like making. A market segment that is shrinking. Yet you have made no made no mention of any other PC vendor. I want a 1? notebook from Dell that is made from unibody aluminum enclosure. I know they can do it so why don?t they make one for me. The customer is always right, after all.

    .



    So what do you do? go and buy from a company that does offer it. And as we all know, Apple does offer it - and people buy. Now, they even lowered the price and offer an 13" MBP - which sells great btw. Point made.



    And by the way, people that bought a MB Air 15 days before the price drop got screwed, OK?! Here, not 14 days, 15 days! one day difference 700$... wankers!

  • Reply 69 of 227
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    I did explain, but you didn't catch on: I said it's like comparing a dvd/tv combo to a home theater.



    So what happens when the dvd player in a dvd/tv combo breaks? What happens when you want a bigger monitor on an imac?



    The imac is a cool machine, but it's completely impractical to compare it to a loaded dell xps.



    Why would the soccer mom want either of those!?



    Your example is flawed. TV stand alone and can be used with cable but your PC monitor is basically useless without a computer. When your computer breaks you will not be using your monitor anyway. It is not the same. By the way, they configured the Dell in the picture to match the iMac not the other way around.



    I bought my iMac in 2006 for $1800 and sold it in 2008 for $950 to get a MBP instead. How much your Dell worth after two and half years?



    PS. There is also Mac Mini for soccer moms who want the ability to upgrade their monitors every year!
  • Reply 70 of 227
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Maybe you know a soccer mom that likes to geek out with the ability to upgrade the CPU, switch out the monitor, upgrade the video card, etc. but that isn’t the average soccer mom. Hell, it’s not even the average computer user, as seen by the move away from towers and towards all inclusive designs.



    maybe soccer mom was the wrong terminology lol. I'm just trying to point out the type of person that Apple would appeal to in a situation like that, and I think there are far more people with those type of preferences than you think.



    . Something above the imac, and below the mac pro would be perfect.
  • Reply 71 of 227
    nano_tubenano_tube Posts: 114member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Well that's where I'm coming from and I think where nano tube is coming from as well.



    Hell, if I was a professional movie editor, I'd get a mac pro completely loaded. I'm not alone in saying that I'm not a professional movie editor, however, and I don't need the level of hardware offered, but at the same time, I would NEVER use a mac mini or imac. I'm not alone by a long shot dude.



    Well said.

  • Reply 72 of 227
    psych_guypsych_guy Posts: 486member
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    Originally Posted by Nano_tube View Post


    What I am saying is that Apple is ripping us Mac users in one way or another.

    This should be the price at the apple store, not on Psystar's.



    And as for the CPU, I am sure that there is a "huge" difference between them. And you know what? even IF what you are saying is true about the difference, Apple should present buyers with the option: what type of CPU do you want? They are boxing us in, taking a premium price - F*CK them.



    I have a PC running Win7 right beside me, a Quad 6600, 4GB Ram, 9800GTX 512MB, etc. It cost me a year ago like $1,500± and it runs like a king. Put Mac OS X on this baby and it will fly!



    Why shouldn't we have such a deal for a normal Mac? why should we get stuck with either an iMac OR a Mac Pro? WHERE IS THE *NORMAL* MAC?!



    So F*ck them!





    Sooooo, don't buy their stuff. What's the problem? Apple charges what they want and get it, as the data shows. Millions of people are happy paying for their product.
  • Reply 73 of 227
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Well that's where I'm coming from and I think where nano tube is coming from as well.



    Hell, if I was a professional movie editor, I'd get a mac pro completely loaded. I'm not alone in saying that I'm not a professional movie editor, however, and I don't need the level of hardware offered, but at the same time, I would NEVER use a mac mini or imac. I'm not alone by a long shot dude.



    So Apple doesn’t make a machine that suits your needs at a price that suits your needs. Wah! You have the choice to make the performance or cost compromise, or to move on to another legal PC company. None of what you two are saying should require Apple to bend over backwards to your needs, regardless of how many people share your point of view. If Apple feels the desire is high enough and they also feel that it’s market they wish to enter, they will do so. But this is not socialism, Apple has the right to produce the products for the markets it wishes to compete in. It also has the right to not license it’s copyrighted material to others to sell.





    PS: I would love for the MBPs to drop the antiquated optical drive but it’s Apple choice if they wish to keep them. The MBA is not an option for me because of storage capacity and performance paired with cost, so I have compromised and gotten the 13” MB, but I am not trolling forums and starting blogs about how much Apple sucks, is doomed, or isn’t listening to its customers because my specific needs aren’t met exactly.
  • Reply 74 of 227
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Your example is flawed. TV stand alone and can be used with cable but your PC monitor is basically useless without a computer. When your computer breaks you will not be using your monitor anyway. It is not the same. By the way, they configured the Dell in the picture to match the iMac not the other way around.



    I bought my iMac in 2006 for $1800 and sold it in 2008 for $950 to get a MBP instead. How much your Dell worth after two and half years?



    wow. So when the computer breaks? Not when the monitor breaks? Or if I already own a monitor I really like?



    why is it so hard to believe that there are people all over the place, who don't want an imac for very good reasons, don't want a dinky little mac mini, and can't afford to shell out a bunch of money on an over powered mac pro?



    BTW, it's funny how you point to that picture, when the clear answer is this: NEITHER lol.
  • Reply 75 of 227
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member
    The regular crew of the IP Law ignorati show up whenever there is Psystar news, and continue to display little no no knowledge of What IP law is and how Psystar's actions are not just wrong, but detrminetal to the entire industry, not to mention those that depend on the integrity of IP law in order to make a living.



    Never mind that, let's talk about something as simple as the EULA. No one, that is, NO ONE, selling computers or software in the current market is interested in seeing a legal precedent set that blows a hole in the principal of the EULA. And that's just the EULA.



    Psystar will lose, and lose big. And I'm going to love posting here in November to see the reactions of the IP Law ignorati. It'll be priceless.
  • Reply 76 of 227
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    So Apple doesn’t make a machine that suits your needs at a price that suits your needs. Wah! You have the choice to make the performance or cost compromise, or to move on to another legal PC company. None of what you two are saying should require Apple to suit your needs, regardless of how many people share your point of view. If Apple feels the desire is high enough and they also feel that it’s market they wish to enter, they will do so. But this is not socialism, Apple has the right to produce the products for the markets it wishes to compete in. It also has the right to not license it’s copyrighted material to others to sell.



    hey I never said they were REQUIRED to suit these needs, just pointing out why it would be beneficial. The machine Psystar is selling is a clear example of the level of cost to performance that Apple is skipping.



    Also, I think people joining in on this discussion begin to lose sight at the point people initially made, and the argument slowly gets twisted, and eventually the thread turns into something repetitive and moronic, so I'm ducking out.



    Here's my stance for the last time: Psystar is definitely breaking the law, but their presence raises a good point. The machines they are building are attractive to many people who feel Apple either offers to much, or too little. I don't think what Pystar is doing is right, but I don't think the way Apple is doing things currently is appealing either.
  • Reply 77 of 227
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    The regular crew of the IP Law ignorati show up whenever there is Psystar news, and continue to display little no no knowledge of What IP law is and how Psystar's actions are not just wrong, but detrminetal to the entire industry, not to mention those that depend on the integrity of IP law in order to make a living.



    Never mind that, let's talk about something as simple as the EULA. No one, that is, NO ONE, selling computers or software in the current market is interested in seeing a legal precedent set that blows a hole in the principal of the EULA. And that's just the EULA.



    Psystar will lose, and lose big. And I'm going to love posting here in November to see the reactions of the IP Law ignorati. It'll be priceless.



    Read through the thread before assuming what's being talked about.
  • Reply 78 of 227
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    hey I never said they were REQUIRED to suit these needs, just pointing out why it would be beneficial. The machine Psystar is selling is a clear example of the level of cost to performance that Apple is skipping.



    Beneficial to you, but Apple apparently doesn’t see it your way otherwise they would have such a product.



    PS: The price and performance increase of the new Mac Pros has gone up quite a bit that there may be enough former workstation customers —not nerds wanting a mythical xMac— that Apple may eventually release a cheaper and smaller headless Mac desktop to sit beneath the Mac Pro lineup. I would be very surprised if they didn’t have several in design for the appropriate time. If such a machine comes to fruition I’m sure you’ll say it was bemoaning that made that happen, but note that it’s viable markets (and by extension sales or lack thereof) that make companies produce product, not bellyaching.



    Quote:

    Here's my stance for the last time: Psystar is definitely breaking the law, but their presence raises a good point. The machines they are building are attractive to many people who feel Apple either offers to much, or too little. I don't think what Pystar is doing is right, but I don't think the way Apple is doing things currently is appealing either.



    How about a game of logical unraveling: What if Psystar wins?
  • Reply 79 of 227
    tundrabuggytundrabuggy Posts: 131member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nano_tube View Post


    Just look at this:

    Psystar Open 7 Workstation:

    Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz

    6 GB DDR3 RAM

    1 TB HD

    GeForce 9500GT GTX 512MB

    DVD-RW

    802.11n (PCI-E 1x) (added)

    FW 400 + 800 (added)

    Mac OS X + iLife + iWork

    ================

    $1,734



    Apple Mac Pro, DEFAULT configuration:

    Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz

    3 GB DDR3 RAM

    640 GB HD

    GeForce GT 120 512MB

    DVD-RW

    Mac OS X + iLife

    NO WIRELESS

    FW 800 ONLY

    Mac OS X + iLife

    ================

    $2,499



    $765 more for the same computer!

    F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!





    LOL...you're an idiot....you just don't get it!....what if someone made an inflatable-date version of your wife and sold it for 50 bucks and everybody called it a Hackintoosh.....I bet you would have something to say about it......oh but hey.....it would "Sell like Hotcakes" right?
  • Reply 80 of 227
    nano_tubenano_tube Posts: 114member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    So Apple doesn?t make a machine that suits your needs at a price that suits your needs. Wah! You have the choice to make the performance or cost compromise, or to move on to another legal PC company. None of what you two are saying should require Apple to bend over backwards to your needs, regardless of how many people share your point of view. If Apple feels the desire is high enough and they also feel that it?s market they wish to enter, they will do so. But this is not socialism, Apple has the right to produce the products for the markets it wishes to compete in. It also has the right to not license it?s copyrighted material to others to sell.





    PS: I would love for the MBPs to drop the antiquated optical drive but it?s Apple choice if they wish to keep them. The MBA is not an option for me because of storage capacity and performance paired with cost, so I have compromised and gotten the 13? MB, but I am not trolling forums and starting blogs about how much Apple sucks, is doomed, or isn?t listening to its customers because my specific needs aren?t met exactly.



    So where should I voice my opinion and wishes regarding Mac issues, in Paul Thurrots website?

    Basically what you are saying is that because I think different and I voice my opinion vigorously, I am a troll... ok... I bet that if you had been born in Soviet russia, you'd be a hell of a communist. Stick to the Party's line! 1984 boy....



    And good for you that you found a laptop for your needs. You are an exemplary user. Bravo. W00t! solipsism FTW!

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