hey I never said they were REQUIRED to suit these needs, just pointing out why it would be beneficial. The machine Psystar is selling is a clear example of the level of cost to performance that Apple is skipping.
Also, I think people joining in on this discussion begin to lose sight at the point people initially made, and the argument slowly gets twisted, and eventually the thread turns into something repetitive and moronic, so I'm ducking out.
Here's my stance for the last time: Psystar is definitely breaking the law, but their presence raises a good point. The machines they are building are attractive to many people who feel Apple either offers to much, or too little. I don't think what Pystar is doing is right, but I don't think the way Apple is doing things currently is appealing either.
Well...Apple has 30 billion in the bank because of business decisions that attract the markets that they are targeting. If they do not have any interest in targeting the market that feels they offer too much or too little that is their right as an American company. You don't have to like it. You have a right to complain. But they have a right to conduct their business in the markets of their choice. lets extend your point of view to Ferrari....they make a car that is too much for me....yet they make jackets which are not enough for me.....if they just made a Jacket and smaller more affordable version of their car as a combo package, it would sell like hot cakes.....wow, they must be idiots for not doing this righ?...lol....see my point?....Don't you think that Apple's marketing machine has had many meetings regarding exactly this topic?? Of course they have....and as any company would, they choose the most profitable options.
So where should I voice my opinion and wishes regarding Mac issues, in Paul Thurrots website?
Basically what you are saying is that because I think different and I voice my opinion vigorously, I am a troll... ok... I bet that if you had been born in Soviet russia, you'd be a hell of a communist. Stick to the Party's line! 1984 boy....
And good for you that you found a laptop for your needs. You are an exemplary user. Bravo. W00t! solipsism FTW!
Since non of us here is on Apple's board of directors maybe you should try submitting a feedback on Apple's website. I am sure if Steve Jobs is or was posting here using an alias he would have given us free iPhones long time ago
LOL...you're an idiot....you just don't get it!....what if someone made an inflatable-date version of your wife and sold it for 50 bucks and everybody called it a Hackintoosh.....I bet you would have something to say about it......oh but hey.....it would "Sell like Hotcakes" right?
Talk about idiots... WTF does it have to do with the point I am trying to make?
Maaaaan, read the damn thread before ou jump into sorry ass conclusions...
Read through the thread before assuming what's being talked about.
You know what, you're absolutely right!
I hardly noticed that they can't even argue Psystar's legal positon anymore because they have virtually no credibility. They fall back on the old tired standby of comparing fly-by-night Psystar trash to Apple's superior Mac line, which by the way is SURGING in sales and is expriencing the smallest contraction in computer sales in the entire industry.
I guess these people think it's fun to be in the increasingly marginalized minority.
How about simply stating your wish as a wish and not a 2 page complaint about how Apple doesn?t care about Mac people.
Because people are taking what I said out of context. All I want is a Mac between the iMac and Mac Pro, but people are twisting this into issues of supporting Psystar and inflatable dolls... as usual, people tend to have an impression of what someone is saying, and not refer to what they are actually saying.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE
Since non of us here is on Apple's board of directors maybe you should try submitting a feedback on Apple's website. I am sure if Steve Jobs is or was posting here using an alias he would have given us free iPhones long time ago
Will be interesting to see how they react (if at all).
Talk about idiots... WTF does it have to do with the point I am trying to make?
Maaaaan, read the damn thread before ou jump into sorry ass conclusions...
Dumbass.
OK....if you insist...I'll dumb this down for you.....Apple sells an experience which is a combination of hardware and software. If Apple distributes a firmware or software update to enhance or improve the experience and Pystar users start crashing...its a bad reflection on Apple.Apple has a right to protect their brand. So, if someone were to create a cheap physical inflatable image of a person implying that it gives the same experience as the real person........the real person has a right to object. Man, I can't make it any simpler than this.
Because people are taking what I said out of context. All I want is a Mac between the iMac and Mac Pro, but people are twisting this into issues of supporting Psystar and inflatable dolls... as usual, people tend to have an impression of what someone is saying, and not refer to what they are actually saying.
It’s the way you stated it. If Apple releases this xMac then there will still be the “I want a Mac between the Mini and xMac” and “I want a Mac between the xMac and Mac Pro”, as well as the “It’s too much" and "it doesn’t have option that this cheaper Dell version has” and “<insert complaint here>.” Such is life. NasserAE is correct, if you want to make waves go right to the company. Apparently Steve Jobs even answers personal emails every now and then, though I’d wager that if you got a replay from Jobs stating why they don’t produce the xMac you can be certain that they are preparing to deploy one shortly.
PS: All of you stop with the personal attacks. It’s the one rule here and it’s been enforced more lately.
Because people are taking what I said out of context. All I want is a Mac between the iMac and Mac Pro, but people are twisting this into issues of supporting Psystar and inflatable dolls... as usual, people tend to have an impression of what someone is saying, and not refer to what they are actually saying.
The problem in your discussion was here in your first post:
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F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!
Maybe you should go back and read the discussion from the start
Okay ... Still a stupid comparison. Dell makes an XPS series AOI. The soccer mom is gonna pick the computer that looks the best in her kitchen ... dummy.
OK....if you insist...I'll dumb this down for you.....Apple sells an experience which is a combination of hardware and software. If Apple distributes a firmware or software update to enhance or improve the experience and Pystar users start crashing...its a bad reflection on Apple.Apple has a right to protect their brand. So, if someone were to create a cheap physical inflatable image of a person implying that it gives the same experience as the real person........the real person has a right to object. Man, I can't make it any simpler than this.
Moron!
Hey dude, get off my back. I am not interested in people who do not understand plain english.
Here, I will give it to you: you win! Ok? Now get off my back with your pathetic inflatable doll whatever logic.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
... though I?d wager that if you got a replay from Jobs stating why they don?t produce the xMac you can be certain that they are preparing to deploy one shortly.
Okay ... Still a stupid comparison. Dell makes an XPS series AOI. The soccer mom is gonna pick the computer that looks the best in her kitchen ... dummy.
You obviously didn?t read it because NasserAE was responding to someone claiming that a soccer mom would choose a tower, not a Dell AIO, hence the comparison pic he choose. A comparison of an XPS and an XPS One would have resulted in the same win for Nasser?s argument.
PS: What soccer mom?s do you know that choose computers solely on how it looks in their kitchen? Get real!
This entire post is lame. The rules of the forum also imply to profanity, yes? For me to say a soccer mom would choose a computer that looks good in her kitchen is about as intelligent as to think it would have to be a tower. Aesthetics mean something in the kitchen. Some homes are designed with a work station in the kitchen. The new AOI from Dell (19") is more than likely designed with a kitchen or two in mind. I don't know ANY female who would want any more wires than are necessary. Advantage AIO, NOT tower. I wrote a post on page one, and thought it had something to do with the original topic. As far as I can tell, nobody looked at it. Perhaps people are too busy skimming the list to see if anyone has replied to their message. Sorry if my bent sense of humor looks like an attack. Using the silly smiles all the time gets old.
So what I got from this thread is that someone posted that the Psystar computer was far cheaper than an "equivalent" Mac Pro and was proven worng in the first reply. So he shifted his argument to he doesn't need the hardware Apple has in the Mac Pro, so the Psystar was a better deal to him and Apple is somehow in the wrong for not catering to his needs. Even more pointless than I expected this thread to be.
Derp, companies should make the exact product that I want. In a market awash with options many of which would be ideal for me.
It's also funny that people really believe that regular people (ie; people who don't know what a "browser" is, and call harddrives "memory") make their PC decisions from more than A) Does it look okay, Can I afford it, C) Does the Salesguy say it's fast or not.
Okay ... Still a stupid comparison. Dell makes an XPS series AOI. The soccer mom is gonna pick the computer that looks the best in her kitchen ... dummy.
Seriously, you should go back and read the posts again. If you read it for more than three times and still don't get it then no one can really help you understand what's going on. Let me give you a hint, it was not about Mac vs PC.
Yeah, maybe I missed if someone commented on this it because it's tough to read inane comments post after post, but Apple has orders of magnitude greater costs that go into its products bottom line, from R&D, to manufacturing, to marketing, to support and service infrastructure, to physical plants and personnel, to compliance, legal, accounting, industrial design, packaging, retail suport and service centers - the list is enormous, and the profitability has to be strong for the company to grow and prosper.
But it results in (generally) an excellent customer experience in almost every way. I found out a few weeks ago I could schedule a call back from Applecare support via Apple's web site. Filled out the form, and within a few minutes of the scheduled time, I got a call back, from a US based support person who was precisely knowledgeable as to the difference between RAW and sRAW file formats and the latter not being currently supported in iPhoto and Aperture.
Make that call to Pystar, if not Dell, for that matter.
One small example, multiplied many times. It's a free market, so if Apple's too expensive, don't buy it. But I think by the time you consider all the time and money you have to invest in a PC system, Apple is a much better bargain...
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So where should I voice my opinion and wishes regarding Mac issues, in Paul Thurrots website?
How about simply stating your wish as a wish and not a 2 page complaint about how Apple doesn’t care about Mac people.
hey I never said they were REQUIRED to suit these needs, just pointing out why it would be beneficial. The machine Psystar is selling is a clear example of the level of cost to performance that Apple is skipping.
Also, I think people joining in on this discussion begin to lose sight at the point people initially made, and the argument slowly gets twisted, and eventually the thread turns into something repetitive and moronic, so I'm ducking out.
Here's my stance for the last time: Psystar is definitely breaking the law, but their presence raises a good point. The machines they are building are attractive to many people who feel Apple either offers to much, or too little. I don't think what Pystar is doing is right, but I don't think the way Apple is doing things currently is appealing either.
Well...Apple has 30 billion in the bank because of business decisions that attract the markets that they are targeting. If they do not have any interest in targeting the market that feels they offer too much or too little that is their right as an American company. You don't have to like it. You have a right to complain. But they have a right to conduct their business in the markets of their choice. lets extend your point of view to Ferrari....they make a car that is too much for me....yet they make jackets which are not enough for me.....if they just made a Jacket and smaller more affordable version of their car as a combo package, it would sell like hot cakes.....wow, they must be idiots for not doing this righ?...lol....see my point?....Don't you think that Apple's marketing machine has had many meetings regarding exactly this topic?? Of course they have....and as any company would, they choose the most profitable options.
So where should I voice my opinion and wishes regarding Mac issues, in Paul Thurrots website?
Basically what you are saying is that because I think different and I voice my opinion vigorously, I am a troll... ok... I bet that if you had been born in Soviet russia, you'd be a hell of a communist. Stick to the Party's line! 1984 boy....
And good for you that you found a laptop for your needs. You are an exemplary user. Bravo. W00t! solipsism FTW!
Since non of us here is on Apple's board of directors maybe you should try submitting a feedback on Apple's website. I am sure if Steve Jobs is or was posting here using an alias he would have given us free iPhones long time ago
LOL...you're an idiot....you just don't get it!....what if someone made an inflatable-date version of your wife and sold it for 50 bucks and everybody called it a Hackintoosh.....I bet you would have something to say about it......oh but hey.....it would "Sell like Hotcakes" right?
Talk about idiots... WTF does it have to do with the point I am trying to make?
Maaaaan, read the damn thread before ou jump into sorry ass conclusions...
Dumbass.
Which one would she choose?! tough decision!!!
Read through the thread before assuming what's being talked about.
You know what, you're absolutely right!
I hardly noticed that they can't even argue Psystar's legal positon anymore because they have virtually no credibility. They fall back on the old tired standby of comparing fly-by-night Psystar trash to Apple's superior Mac line, which by the way is SURGING in sales and is expriencing the smallest contraction in computer sales in the entire industry.
I guess these people think it's fun to be in the increasingly marginalized minority.
Um ... Dell makes AOI machines ... Sony too. Why make such a silly comparison?
Maybe you should go back and read the discussion from the start
How about simply stating your wish as a wish and not a 2 page complaint about how Apple doesn?t care about Mac people.
Because people are taking what I said out of context. All I want is a Mac between the iMac and Mac Pro, but people are twisting this into issues of supporting Psystar and inflatable dolls... as usual, people tend to have an impression of what someone is saying, and not refer to what they are actually saying.
Since non of us here is on Apple's board of directors maybe you should try submitting a feedback on Apple's website. I am sure if Steve Jobs is or was posting here using an alias he would have given us free iPhones long time ago
Will be interesting to see how they react (if at all).
Talk about idiots... WTF does it have to do with the point I am trying to make?
Maaaaan, read the damn thread before ou jump into sorry ass conclusions...
Dumbass.
OK....if you insist...I'll dumb this down for you.....Apple sells an experience which is a combination of hardware and software. If Apple distributes a firmware or software update to enhance or improve the experience and Pystar users start crashing...its a bad reflection on Apple.Apple has a right to protect their brand. So, if someone were to create a cheap physical inflatable image of a person implying that it gives the same experience as the real person........the real person has a right to object. Man, I can't make it any simpler than this.
Moron!
Because people are taking what I said out of context. All I want is a Mac between the iMac and Mac Pro, but people are twisting this into issues of supporting Psystar and inflatable dolls... as usual, people tend to have an impression of what someone is saying, and not refer to what they are actually saying.
It’s the way you stated it. If Apple releases this xMac then there will still be the “I want a Mac between the Mini and xMac” and “I want a Mac between the xMac and Mac Pro”, as well as the “It’s too much" and "it doesn’t have option that this cheaper Dell version has” and “<insert complaint here>.” Such is life. NasserAE is correct, if you want to make waves go right to the company. Apparently Steve Jobs even answers personal emails every now and then, though I’d wager that if you got a replay from Jobs stating why they don’t produce the xMac you can be certain that they are preparing to deploy one shortly.
PS: All of you stop with the personal attacks. It’s the one rule here and it’s been enforced more lately.
Because people are taking what I said out of context. All I want is a Mac between the iMac and Mac Pro, but people are twisting this into issues of supporting Psystar and inflatable dolls... as usual, people tend to have an impression of what someone is saying, and not refer to what they are actually saying.
The problem in your discussion was here in your first post:
F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!
This did not sound like opinion stating for most.
Maybe you should go back and read the discussion from the start
Okay ... Still a stupid comparison. Dell makes an XPS series AOI. The soccer mom is gonna pick the computer that looks the best in her kitchen ... dummy.
OK....if you insist...I'll dumb this down for you.....Apple sells an experience which is a combination of hardware and software. If Apple distributes a firmware or software update to enhance or improve the experience and Pystar users start crashing...its a bad reflection on Apple.Apple has a right to protect their brand. So, if someone were to create a cheap physical inflatable image of a person implying that it gives the same experience as the real person........the real person has a right to object. Man, I can't make it any simpler than this.
Moron!
Hey dude, get off my back. I am not interested in people who do not understand plain english.
Here, I will give it to you: you win! Ok? Now get off my back with your pathetic inflatable doll whatever logic.
... though I?d wager that if you got a replay from Jobs stating why they don?t produce the xMac you can be certain that they are preparing to deploy one shortly.
For sure!
Okay ... Still a stupid comparison. Dell makes an XPS series AOI. The soccer mom is gonna pick the computer that looks the best in her kitchen ... dummy.
You obviously didn?t read it because NasserAE was responding to someone claiming that a soccer mom would choose a tower, not a Dell AIO, hence the comparison pic he choose. A comparison of an XPS and an XPS One would have resulted in the same win for Nasser?s argument.
PS: What soccer mom?s do you know that choose computers solely on how it looks in their kitchen? Get real!
PPS: Cool it with the personal attacks.
Just look at this:
$765 more for the same computer!
F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!
Do you really believe that they are the same computer?
Or are you saying that all of the design, engineering and programming should be free to anyone who wants a cheap and nasty collection of parts?
It's also funny that people really believe that regular people (ie; people who don't know what a "browser" is, and call harddrives "memory") make their PC decisions from more than A) Does it look okay,
Okay ... Still a stupid comparison. Dell makes an XPS series AOI. The soccer mom is gonna pick the computer that looks the best in her kitchen ... dummy.
Seriously, you should go back and read the posts again. If you read it for more than three times and still don't get it then no one can really help you understand what's going on. Let me give you a hint, it was not about Mac vs PC.
But it results in (generally) an excellent customer experience in almost every way. I found out a few weeks ago I could schedule a call back from Applecare support via Apple's web site. Filled out the form, and within a few minutes of the scheduled time, I got a call back, from a US based support person who was precisely knowledgeable as to the difference between RAW and sRAW file formats and the latter not being currently supported in iPhoto and Aperture.
Make that call to Pystar, if not Dell, for that matter.
One small example, multiplied many times. It's a free market, so if Apple's too expensive, don't buy it. But I think by the time you consider all the time and money you have to invest in a PC system, Apple is a much better bargain...