First, I kind of think your wife bought the PC out of spite. Sounds like she's sick of listening to your rantings about mac vs pc and wanted to get a pc to be rebellious in some manner (lol )
Second, your story about the anti virus messing up the system sounds like horse poo. Sorry, not trying to start a fight here or anything, but if your IT guy had half a brain, updates like that would be controlled by his department, and if the update rendered the PC inoperable, they wouldn't push it out to the network.
Now, that said, if the update did cause an issue like that, being bitter towards the PC because of a third party's screw up is like me saying I hate ford because the supercharger I put on blew the engine up...
Wow. You obviously have not spent much time working in an IT controlled, corporate environment.
Even if I were offered a PC for FREE, with a fully updatable working install of OS X (however it got there), I STILL wouldn't take it.
People assume (only a minority on these forums, however) that Apple's market is wailing and suffering under the burden of their prices.
They aren't. THEY'RE BUYING. And they keep on buying. people assume because THEY can't afford one or it doesn't fit their budget, the same goes for everyone else. WRONG. Look at Apple's numbers. Mac sales are holding, and increasing. There's no problem. Consumers vote with their wallet, and those Macbooks and Macbook pros are hot items. Apple is experiencing the smallest contraction in computer sales in the entire industry, and not by accident. Apple has a virtual lock on the Premium end of the market, and even consumers from the lower end of the pyramid are buying in.
Even if I were offered a PC for FREE, with a fully updatable working install of OS X (however it got there), I STILL wouldn't take it.
People assume (only a minority on these forums, however) that Apple's market is wailing and suffering under the burden of their prices.
They aren't. THEY'RE BUYING. And they keep on buying. people assume because THEY can't afford one or it doesn't fit their budget, the same goes for everyone else. WRONG. Look at Apple's numbers. Mac sales are holding, and increasing. There's no problem. Consumers vote with their wallet, and those Macbooks and Macbook pros are hot items. Apple is experiencing the smallest contraction in computer sales in the entire industry, and not by accident. Apple has a virtual lock on the Premium end of the market, and even consumers from the lower end of the pyramid are buying in.
About that premium lock, does Apple have a true gaming system. Premuim systems these days can hadle 30 GB of RAM and more as well as several GB of video memory and cost $10,000 or more noone has a lock on that.
AppleInsider legals contacted me the other day about my postings and asked I stop posting.
Mountain Dew legals called NBC and asked them to not report on MD being bad for your health.
Apple contacted Me the other day about my ramblings.
Microsoft legal call me twice today about me exposing their vulnerabilities on the web with How-To's and videos. I told them to shut up.
Micheal Jackson called me right before he died, Said I could have everything.
NOW... Do you believe anything I said? Why should we believe them. Without proof, hell a phone log would work and YES they do keep them, it's BS trying to get Publicity in the news.
BULLSHIRT!
You forgot to interject "true story" into your recounting. If you want to be
as believable as the Microsoft COO, you must do that.
It is NOT running Embedded Linux, Mac OS X is based on the Mach kernal with certain parts of Free BSD, and NetBSD that were incorporated into NeXtstep.
Linux is based on the Linux Kernel, while there is similarities on both to UNIX, you will find no Linux in Mac OS X.
Unless you have bought a Windows Computer within the last month, you will also be paying for the Windows 7 upgrade. If you buy a Mac now, you'll get Snow Leopard when available too.
Oh boy!, seems your one of "that" kind of person who can't stand criticism. I'm not defending any OS, as a matter of a fact, I OWN a macbook with leopard and administer an OSX Server, I run several servers and workstations with Debian and OpenSUSE at work, and happens that i also run Several Windows Versions on Servers and Workstations also at work and including Windows 7 for personal effects. When any computer available my little 12 year old boy takes it and manages to do what most people do nowadays Internet, Email, Social Networking, Documents, and multimedia. So of it works for you GREAT.
Well. I don't feel sorry for Apple if these adverts from M$ are hurting.
Apple jacked UK prices up.
They mis-stepped on the Macbook.
They took a bloody nose on sales growth.
They had to back peddle the macbook to the Macbook Pro...to get things back on track re price cut from the previous macbook jack and put back firewire...
Very arrogant of them to jack prices up like they did in worst recession since...
They can dish it with the 'I'm a Mac'...but can they take it?
Their desktop line kinda sucks.
Mac Pro too expensive to get quad core performance.
iMac nice but limited laptop on a stand.
Mac Mini. Well. Grossly inflated price for a computer that has no k/b, mouse, Screen...
Laptops look good again...almost but the Macbook white could stand being a hundred or so cheaper.
But even as is. Apple aren't reaching a raft of UK buyers who think they are too expensive. M$ pounding Apple on this? Far from a bad thing...indirectly? A good thing. If you're an Apple customer to be.
IF Apple are serious they will have to respond to that 'perception' of expensive and lower prices.
People seem to forget you get what you pay for. I work in the IT field and I have to say PC's are infearior to MAC's. They may cost a bit more but I have no trouble with them. I was so tired of having the infamous Blue Screen of Death I totally went MAC.
Ask those people who bought cheap PC's next year and see if they are still happy. I'm betting they won't be.
D.
It would be a tough bet to win. So many people bought PC's, they can't all be unhappy. I bought a Macbook and a Acer laptop. I can say I am happy with both computers, they both help me get stuff done. For some of us, it's not an either/or thing.
Apple can give criticism, but apparently can't take it. Apple has been ridiculing PC's for years with their "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads. Now they can't take it when PC's try to portray them as snobbish and overpriced? Big deal. Let it go.
Well apple has some nerve if this is true . They lie in their Im a mac and Im a pc ads also.
That is why i dont think this is true. Why would apple call up Microsoft and ask for the ads to be taken down when they know that they lie in their ads also.
Leonard: They are advertising hardware because Apples ads advertise as Microsoft selling the hardware. If this wasnt the case then the ads wouldnt be targeted just to Microsoft. Just the fact they bash microsoft but call him a pc is doing that. Linux, and other free operating systems run on PC's and I dont see apple bashing them. So microsoft is just playing the same game that apple is.
Look, advertising is supposed to have a little hyperbole, but I'm with Apple on this one:
These ads are BS!!!
1. As Apple Insider points out: PRICE DROPS! So they've got the facts dead wrong.
2. Sticker price focus: as if that were all it cost to own a computer! Anyone wanna use Windows without antivirus software? Let's compare Nero's Suite cost v. iLife. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft does occasionally get something right - I prefer Office (Microsoft Office 2008 Mac costs $129.99 at the moment), but for most people, iWork will do all one needs done (working natively with Excel, Powerpoint and Word documents). iWork is $40 w/ purchase of a new Mac, and Office 2007 Home & Student for Windows ranges between $100 and $150 depending on the sale that week. There's a heck of a lot more to this! Anyone wanna compare Apple Care to anyone else's support?
3. Unfair comparisons. I remember one ad they had an HP beat out a MacBook - so I looked up that HP to find it had an 800MHz FSB and DDR2-800 RAM compared to the MacBook's 1066MHz FSB and DDR3-1066 RAM. But what does the ad focus on? They both had the same processor and the HP had 4GB of RAM vs. the MacBook's 2GB. WHAT THE HECK!?
Seriously I'd choose Leopard with 2GB of DDR3-1066 RAM over RAM-hungry Vista with 4GB of DDR2-800 RAM (an entire generation behind) any day! Never mind how cheap RAM is today!!!
Microsoft's ads are aimed at different people than Apple's ads. They play to fundamentally different psychology. I don't think a customer who would respond to Microsoft's ads could be persuaded by Apple's ads or vice versa.
I think Apple's and Microsoft's ads preach primarily to their respective choirs.
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Bull That $500 pc is a complete waste of money flushed down the drain to people you say are so needy. If they have no money then don't buy a computer
Buy milk .
That person hurting fr money could buy a great used G4 computer very cheap and still get a great working computer so stop the bullshit tears .
They could even buy an acer to surf the net for 300 .
Would that Acer have windows on it
First, I kind of think your wife bought the PC out of spite. Sounds like she's sick of listening to your rantings about mac vs pc and wanted to get a pc to be rebellious in some manner (lol
Second, your story about the anti virus messing up the system sounds like horse poo. Sorry, not trying to start a fight here or anything, but if your IT guy had half a brain, updates like that would be controlled by his department, and if the update rendered the PC inoperable, they wouldn't push it out to the network.
Now, that said, if the update did cause an issue like that, being bitter towards the PC because of a third party's screw up is like me saying I hate ford because the supercharger I put on blew the engine up...
Wow. You obviously have not spent much time working in an IT controlled, corporate environment.
People assume (only a minority on these forums, however) that Apple's market is wailing and suffering under the burden of their prices.
They aren't. THEY'RE BUYING. And they keep on buying. people assume because THEY can't afford one or it doesn't fit their budget, the same goes for everyone else. WRONG. Look at Apple's numbers. Mac sales are holding, and increasing. There's no problem. Consumers vote with their wallet, and those Macbooks and Macbook pros are hot items. Apple is experiencing the smallest contraction in computer sales in the entire industry, and not by accident. Apple has a virtual lock on the Premium end of the market, and even consumers from the lower end of the pyramid are buying in.
Would that Acer have windows on it
I don't care i just want those poor people to surf .
Even if I were offered a PC for FREE, with a fully updatable working install of OS X (however it got there), I STILL wouldn't take it.
People assume (only a minority on these forums, however) that Apple's market is wailing and suffering under the burden of their prices.
They aren't. THEY'RE BUYING. And they keep on buying. people assume because THEY can't afford one or it doesn't fit their budget, the same goes for everyone else. WRONG. Look at Apple's numbers. Mac sales are holding, and increasing. There's no problem. Consumers vote with their wallet, and those Macbooks and Macbook pros are hot items. Apple is experiencing the smallest contraction in computer sales in the entire industry, and not by accident. Apple has a virtual lock on the Premium end of the market, and even consumers from the lower end of the pyramid are buying in.
About that premium lock, does Apple have a true gaming system. Premuim systems these days can hadle 30 GB of RAM and more as well as several GB of video memory and cost $10,000 or more noone has a lock on that.
I don't care i just want those poor people to surf .
Thats great, a good come back
AppleInsider legals contacted me the other day about my postings and asked I stop posting.
Mountain Dew legals called NBC and asked them to not report on MD being bad for your health.
Apple contacted Me the other day about my ramblings.
Microsoft legal call me twice today about me exposing their vulnerabilities on the web with How-To's and videos. I told them to shut up.
Micheal Jackson called me right before he died, Said I could have everything.
NOW... Do you believe anything I said? Why should we believe them. Without proof, hell a phone log would work and YES they do keep them, it's BS trying to get Publicity in the news.
BULLSHIRT!
You forgot to interject "true story" into your recounting. If you want to be
as believable as the Microsoft COO, you must do that.
It is NOT running Embedded Linux, Mac OS X is based on the Mach kernal with certain parts of Free BSD, and NetBSD that were incorporated into NeXtstep.
Linux is based on the Linux Kernel, while there is similarities on both to UNIX, you will find no Linux in Mac OS X.
I meant your fridge... "sport"
And I would ask the same of you.
Unless you have bought a Windows Computer within the last month, you will also be paying for the Windows 7 upgrade. If you buy a Mac now, you'll get Snow Leopard when available too.
Oh boy!, seems your one of "that" kind of person who can't stand criticism. I'm not defending any OS, as a matter of a fact, I OWN a macbook with leopard and administer an OSX Server, I run several servers and workstations with Debian and OpenSUSE at work, and happens that i also run Several Windows Versions on Servers and Workstations also at work and including Windows 7 for personal effects. When any computer available my little 12 year old boy takes it and manages to do what most people do nowadays Internet, Email, Social Networking, Documents, and multimedia. So of it works for you GREAT.
IT GUY
CISSP, CCNP, LPIC-II, MCITP, MCTS, CWNA, ACSA (10.5)
Apple jacked UK prices up.
They mis-stepped on the Macbook.
They took a bloody nose on sales growth.
They had to back peddle the macbook to the Macbook Pro...to get things back on track re price cut from the previous macbook jack and put back firewire...
Very arrogant of them to jack prices up like they did in worst recession since...
They can dish it with the 'I'm a Mac'...but can they take it?
Their desktop line kinda sucks.
Mac Pro too expensive to get quad core performance.
iMac nice but limited laptop on a stand.
Mac Mini. Well. Grossly inflated price for a computer that has no k/b, mouse, Screen...
Laptops look good again...almost but the Macbook white could stand being a hundred or so cheaper.
But even as is. Apple aren't reaching a raft of UK buyers who think they are too expensive. M$ pounding Apple on this? Far from a bad thing...indirectly? A good thing. If you're an Apple customer to be.
IF Apple are serious they will have to respond to that 'perception' of expensive and lower prices.
It's not over yet.
Apple have had this coming a for a while now.
Lemon Bon Bon.
People that let television ads influence their buying decisions deserve PC's with Microsoft's Windows.
Unless it is the Mac vs PC ad, they they are smart to let an ad influence their buying decision.
People seem to forget you get what you pay for. I work in the IT field and I have to say PC's are infearior to MAC's. They may cost a bit more but I have no trouble with them. I was so tired of having the infamous Blue Screen of Death I totally went MAC.
Ask those people who bought cheap PC's next year and see if they are still happy. I'm betting they won't be.
D.
It would be a tough bet to win. So many people bought PC's, they can't all be unhappy. I bought a Macbook and a Acer laptop. I can say I am happy with both computers, they both help me get stuff done. For some of us, it's not an either/or thing.
Interesting. Check the poll at the end.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_235680.html
Interesting. Check the poll at the end.
You thought so? Why?
Well apple has some nerve if this is true . They lie in their Im a mac and Im a pc ads also.
That is why i dont think this is true. Why would apple call up Microsoft and ask for the ads to be taken down when they know that they lie in their ads also.
Leonard: They are advertising hardware because Apples ads advertise as Microsoft selling the hardware. If this wasnt the case then the ads wouldnt be targeted just to Microsoft. Just the fact they bash microsoft but call him a pc is doing that. Linux, and other free operating systems run on PC's and I dont see apple bashing them. So microsoft is just playing the same game that apple is.
Like the one that says that windows comes with a bunch of 3rd party crud ware.
Like the one that says that PCs comes with a bunch of 3rd party crud ware.
Also what about the fact they portray microsoft as the hardware maker in
those ads?
Also what about the fact they portray don't microsoft as the hardware maker.
If you are so keen on facts... when are you going to get one right?
These ads are BS!!!
1. As Apple Insider points out: PRICE DROPS! So they've got the facts dead wrong.
2. Sticker price focus: as if that were all it cost to own a computer! Anyone wanna use Windows without antivirus software? Let's compare Nero's Suite cost v. iLife. Don't get me wrong, Microsoft does occasionally get something right - I prefer Office (Microsoft Office 2008 Mac costs $129.99 at the moment), but for most people, iWork will do all one needs done (working natively with Excel, Powerpoint and Word documents). iWork is $40 w/ purchase of a new Mac, and Office 2007 Home & Student for Windows ranges between $100 and $150 depending on the sale that week. There's a heck of a lot more to this! Anyone wanna compare Apple Care to anyone else's support?
3. Unfair comparisons. I remember one ad they had an HP beat out a MacBook - so I looked up that HP to find it had an 800MHz FSB and DDR2-800 RAM compared to the MacBook's 1066MHz FSB and DDR3-1066 RAM. But what does the ad focus on? They both had the same processor and the HP had 4GB of RAM vs. the MacBook's 2GB. WHAT THE HECK!?
Seriously I'd choose Leopard with 2GB of DDR3-1066 RAM over RAM-hungry Vista with 4GB of DDR2-800 RAM (an entire generation behind) any day! Never mind how cheap RAM is today!!!
Bah.
Microsoft's ads are aimed at different people than Apple's ads. They play to fundamentally different psychology. I don't think a customer who would respond to Microsoft's ads could be persuaded by Apple's ads or vice versa.
I think Apple's and Microsoft's ads preach primarily to their respective choirs.