Apple's Snow Leopard disc will install on Tiger Macs

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  • Reply 81 of 166
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    Originally Posted by blufire View Post


    Absolutely correct, and I highly recommend that you backup and then do a standard upgrade. The process is much improved and it saves a lot of time compared to a clean install.



    Exactly, I see no benefit to a clean install because essentially archive & install *is* a clean install, except it then copies your apps, home directory and network settings back for you so you don't have to do it manually.
  • Reply 82 of 166
    wigginwiggin Posts: 2,265member
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    Originally Posted by gto65l View Post


    I am not surprised in the slightest by this. All Apple software, that I know of, can be installed on multiple computers even if it is a Single User only. Apple knows this, they know that if someone wants to pirate software, they will regardless of any "safeguards."



    Apple makes it easy to install any of their software on multiple computers because they want people to use their software! They will never go out and say "Pirate our software, it's easy!" but they will not go after you if you use it for personal use (note Psystar is an exception). Apple software only works on Apple hardware, you pirate the software, you buy the hardware.



    Except their "pro" software, such as Aperture, which does require you to enter a serial number when you install it and limits the number of machines you can run it on.
  • Reply 83 of 166
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
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    Originally Posted by FineWine View Post


    I'm still on Tiger 10.4.11. When Leopard was first announced, I listened to the presentation, and decided then and there to skip Leopard altogether. And I was true to my word. However, now I need new hardware - I'm still on PPC (iBook and mini). This is where the pain starts. I don't want an iMac, because I don't want that screen, and the laptop components are not optimal. The mini is just too wimpy. The MP is way, way, too expensive. I want a desktop for about $1000. Apple doesn't make one. I'm considering a hackintosh, and hoping SL will work well on one. I'm also thinking of buying a mini after all, just to tide me over, while the hackintoshes with SL are being experimented upon... and when a good process has been worked out, I'll build one. This $29 deal only makes it easier.



    So what would you be upgrading this hackintosh from using the $29 upgrade disc since you do not have Leopard?
  • Reply 84 of 166
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    Originally Posted by doyourownthing View Post


    okay not to be snarky, but who are you? apple support? this person is stating what apple told them



    Maybe all their employees aren't fully informed yet? People have heard different stories from different employees. The fact is many people have reported that the disk installs fine on Tiger, or on a bare drive.



    Of course, the employees are likely trying to encourage people to buy the more expensive product as well.
  • Reply 85 of 166
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    Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post


    Since you seem to be familar with how FrontRow works in SL, perhaps you can answer a question about support for 5.1 surround sound in iTunes Store video. Playing the video from iTunes plays the 5.1 track if you've selected it, so I know the video has it. In FrontRow, playing DVDs or video_ts gets 5.1, so I know FrontRow can output 5.1. But whenever I play iTunes Store video in FrontRow, it plays the stereo track and there is no way to select the 5.1 track like you can in iTunes.



    I assume this is related to QuickTime not being able to play 5.1 tracks outside of iTunes, but it sure would be nice if FrontRow would use the track selected in iTunes instead of reverting back to the stereo track. Any idea if this is fixed? Can someone with SL take a iTunes Store video and play it in either QuickTime or FrontRow and confirm if this has been fixed?



    As for the skipping forward/backward. I wouldn't say Leopard "broke" it. More like it "updated" it with a different method. Don't expect it to ever change back, because then they'd be "breaking" it for those who like the new method better.



    Sorry, don't know anything about 5.1 audio. I just have an old Sony tube TV with stereo speakers. I've never used any of my macs with more than two speakers. Anyone else know?



    As for the skipping, I wish they would just add a preference, even a hidden one. Hopefully someone will find something in the next few weeks. I mainly use it to skip credits, you just jump ahead a couple times, then back once when you are past them. Skipping minutes ahead is not good for this.
  • Reply 86 of 166
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post


    Except their "pro" software, such as Aperture, which does require you to enter a serial number when you install it and limits the number of machines you can run it on.



    My take on it would be that Apple is looking to profit from that software. The consumer sofware and the operating system is really there to support mac purchases. This would also be part of the reason why Windows is a bigger PITA to install, as Microsoft gains nothing if you pirate it. With Apple, at least you bought a mac (in theory).
  • Reply 87 of 166
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    Originally Posted by cmason View Post


    Exactly, I see no benefit to a clean install because essentially archive & install *is* a clean install, except it then copies your apps, home directory and network settings back for you so you don't have to do it manually.



    Agreed. I don't know where Wired gets their idea about the need to do this thing they call a "clean install" (a fiction anyway, since it's not one of the actual options). What problem is this supposed to address?
  • Reply 88 of 166
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    Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post


    Hmm... Purchased Leopard Family pack for multiple Macs at home solely because the software I needed for a project at the time was written and had functionality requiring OS 10.5 or so they say.







    Way to go Apple for single handedly debunking the mythical concept of the need for the "Family Pack"!



    Either that or Apple owes me a refund! Bad Apple!! (etc.)



    Er, why, exactly?



    Those people jumping from Tiger to Snow Leopard (or installing SL on multiple computers without a Family Pack) are doing it in violation of the EULA, and while I could personally care less, those copies of Snow Leopard is as legit as a Hackintosh. Which is to say, it's not.



    Good luck getting supported for that, guys. Not saying Apple won't support you, but… well, they have perfectly legitimate grounds for not doing so.
  • Reply 89 of 166
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
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    Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post


    Well, I suppose Apple really wants all Intel-Mac users on Snow Leopard... odd they are trying to force iWork and iLife on Tiger users via this "box set." Isn't that kind of un-Apple?



    Unfortunate, but it's a pretty decent deal though. The way the speculation was going, it looked like maybe we had to buy Leopard and then the SL upgrade, nearly the same cost as the Mac Box Set. It's likely to update you two versions of iLife and give you the latest iWork too.



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    Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post


    You have an intel Mac and you're still running 10.4??



    I am. Leopard is nifty but for my needs, I didn't see enough benefit. Also, one program that I like doesn't work on Leopard. I don't *have* to have that one program, but I'd rather not do without it.



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    Originally Posted by melevittfl View Post


    The law in the United States is pretty settled on that question and EULAs are legally binding, even if they aren't printed on the box.



    You may not like it, I don't, but that's the way the law stands. But don't just pretend it's not true on an internet forum, write your congress critter....



    I recall that the EULA has to be available for inspection without having to buy the product, otherwise it's "sneakwrap". It might only be for the states in the Ninth Circuit though.
  • Reply 90 of 166
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
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    Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post


    Thank goodness this is finally cleared up (although we really knew yesterday with the story from Spain, although MR totally didn't report about the installation).



    Maybe now all the douchebags who insisted that it absolutely wouldn't install without 10.5 already on the disk ("but it's an UPGRADE"!) based on absolutely nothing but their own hunches and wild speculation will learn to keep their yaps shut instead of trying to pass off their worthless opinions as fact.



    But probably not.



    Doubt we'll even see most of them admit they were wrong on this one. But here's your chance.



    You certainly didn't need to write it so brashly, I don't recall anyone on the other side that wrote it anywhere nearly that harshly. It did seem like the most plausible way it was going to be, with the information given by Apple at the time. They did support their argument, Apple did have information on their web site as to what they were going to support and their recommended upgrade path. As some people said, just because it can be done doesn't mean it's licensed for that. We'll see what the license looks like.
  • Reply 91 of 166
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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    You certainly didn't need to write it so brashly. I don't think I made any of those claims, but it did seem like the most plausible way it was going to be, with the information given by Apple at the time. Apple did have information on their web site as to what they were going to support and their recommended upgrade path.



    I do think Apple's suggestion that Tiger users buy the box set makes sense though. It gives them the latest version of iLife and iWork which they will likely want or need anyway. And it gives them some of the money they missed from people who never bought Leopard.



    But it's also nice to know it's not necessary as some people do *not* need newer versions of iLife and iWork, or even need them at all (i.e. for a media centre mac.)
  • Reply 92 of 166
    elrothelroth Posts: 1,201member
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    Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post


    Hmm... Purchased Leopard Family pack for multiple Macs at home solely because the software I needed for a project at the time was written and had functionality requiring OS 10.5 or so they say.



    If the above quote is true, by my calculations, purchase of the $29.00 upgrade to SL vs the Family Pack upgrade will work just fine on my multiple Macs as well as knowledge that future OS releases to be installed on family of Macs does not require Family Pack.



    Way to go Apple for single handedly debunking the mythical concept of the need for the "Family Pack"!



    Either that or Apple owes me a refund! Bad Apple!!



    Apple's OS releases work on the honor system - if you are installing on more than one computer, you should buy the family pack. But no, Apple will not send the police over to arrest you, and they don't have draconian DRM or other software to prevent you from installing on more than one system. They leave it up to you to be honorable. Sorry you're having second thoughts.
  • Reply 93 of 166
    successsuccess Posts: 1,040member
    Duh. I installed SL on my MacBook with Tiger 10.4.11 ages ago.
  • Reply 94 of 166
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    Originally Posted by success View Post


    Duh. I installed SL on my MacBook with Tiger 10.4.11 ages ago.



    So why didn't you feel compelled to report that to a forum such as AI ages ago, instead of now? Duh?
  • Reply 95 of 166
    bregaladbregalad Posts: 816member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post


    Well, I suppose Apple really wants all Intel-Mac users on Snow Leopard... odd they are trying to force iWork and iLife on Tiger users via this "box set." Isn't that kind of un-Apple?



    Apple honestly believes their iLife and iWork applications are good products and that every Mac user wants them. Personally I use and mostly like iPhoto, use but get frustrated by iTunes and occasionally use Pages. The rest just take up space on my hard drive and I'm unlikely to buy newer versions in the foreseeable future. iLife comes with new computers so I'll probably get the new version next year.
  • Reply 96 of 166
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    Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post


    So what would you be upgrading this hackintosh from using the $29 upgrade disc since you do not have Leopard?



    I don't need to have Leopard. All I need is a hard drive that's formatted for mac, and the $29 disc. That's the whole point of this thread. Of course, I could bittorrent SL, but I do want to give apple some $$. I'd give them a whole lot more if they had a $1000 desktop that wasn't married to a screen. As it is, I'll buy a mini, and later build a hackintosh.
  • Reply 97 of 166
    While I am plunking my $30 down gladly, my money is on Snow Leopard having some unannounced functionality that is important to the Tablet and/or new ways that Apple will better bridge the distinctions between MacOS and iPhoneOS computing models



    The assumption here is that Apple wants/hopes/needs everyone to upgrade to take advantage of something unannounced, and are pricing the upgrade accordingly.



    Here?s a post on my analysis:



    Analysis: Apple June Quarter Earnings Call

    http://bit.ly/vbi9q



    Check it out if interested.



    Mark
  • Reply 98 of 166
    cmasoncmason Posts: 41member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post


    Apple honestly believes their iLife and iWork applications are good products and that every Mac user wants them. Personally I use and mostly like iPhoto, use but get frustrated by iTunes and occasionally use Pages. The rest just take up space on my hard drive and I'm unlikely to buy newer versions in the foreseeable future. iLife comes with new computers so I'll probably get the new version next year.



    iTunes has always been free, you never needed iLife for that. (In older versions of iLife, they did include iTunes for convenience, so you could install it without downloading, but a free download was always available.)
  • Reply 99 of 166
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    Originally Posted by cmf2 View Post


    You can't upgrade an all-in-one PC either.



    You're absolutely right, but I could have afforded a PC that wasn't an all-in-one. When I decided to taste the Apple Kool-Aid, the best Mac I could afford was an iMac and not the only upgradeable Mac that currently starts at $2499.



    But you missed the point anyhow. Getting OS X requires a minimum investment of $599 for which Apple won't even throw in a keyboard and mouse (but after the painful experience those items were, Apple is free to keep them next time. Apparently ergonomic is a foreign word to the keyboard/mouse design areas).



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    I love mac hardware.



    Congrats to you. I haven't seen any real reason to be any more impressed than regular PC hardware.
  • Reply 100 of 166
    pxtpxt Posts: 683member
    Given that Apple make their money from hardware, i wonder how much of the OSX pricing is really about their interpretation of accounting law. They charge a little for Leopard users because they claim it is a low-feature release for the consumer. They charge more for Tiger users because users are getting all the Leopard features plus Snow Leopard. This might also explain why single-user OSXs can be installed on multiple machines while they charge more for a family license. Otherwise, Apple might just be happy to cover their distribution costs and be happy that people love buying Macs.
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