What the heck was all that dribble about? I don't know if you're pro Mac pro or PC but none of it made any sense to me. If you're pro Mac then it would explain the non-sensible gibberish you've spewed.
If you?re pro PC then I?m at a total loss of words on how to reply, because you said nothing. There is a Free solution to everything you've (I think) tried to spew.
Have microsoft sent you a questionaire with guided q. and a. on my post with the ms bob interface. "Its [sic] possible" that you might understand then.
After reading the whole article, I'm actually sick to my stomach that Mafia$oft is (once again) allowed to blatantly lie without anyone in the mass media calling them on it.
I thought the facts and details are supposed to be posted in the POST and opinions, cracks, comments, digs, feedback etc. were to be posted in the COMMENTS section.
"I think I now know why, when I enter BestBuy, the employees say the odd lies that they do." As someone who has bought computers at both Best Buy and the Apple Store I can tell you I have gotten just as much bad information from Apple employees as Best Buy. Seriously. In fact we now make a game of it during visits.
Anecdotal evidence is only so effective. My friend just had her entire computer go BSOD a week ago. Windows XP i think.
There's different factors that go into causing a system to crash. Simply saying that someone's XP machine got a BSOD doesn't point to any fault in Windows exactly. For instance, if the ram goes bad from heat (and that's not limited to PC) blue screens are more frequent.
What I would like to see is the messages changed a bit to also include plain English. It's fine they can tell someone the technical details, but if the screen said something like "This error is most commonly caused by bad video card drivers" or whatever, it would alleviate some headaches.
Not going out of your way to advertise a competitors services isn't exactly "lying" - This presentation is just about right for a PC orientated sales pitch.
Apple Sales Training is just as biased.
Move along, nothing to see here...
WANNA BET!?
Apple reps are told to NEVER BERATE ANY MICROSOFT USER AT ANY COST. You can chuckle and agree with the customer but you are to NEVER put down a secondary system.
The fact is they are trained on windows, a hell of a lot more so than any Best Buy slacker (and yes any ANY best buy employee is a slacker - that's why you work there). I've seen the Apple store manager rip apart a windows PC OS to get the clients data out of there maybe better than I could do it. They do have a software package they install that helps but this situation was a little different.
Say Linux to an Apple rep and they'll go on about the pro's of a Unix system and how the commands you already know work fine and even all the apps you use can be compiled in Mac and run under X11.
How's about destroying our whole computing experience and forcing us to spent countless hours figuring workarounds for their shoddy workmanship, viruses, blue screens of death, crashes, lost data.. it would be surprising if people DID NOT have emotional baggage with them, not that they do.
I have used a MS OS since DOS and Apple's since the Apple IIe. I hate to break it to you, but they were not that much different in reliability. I remember quite a number of issues with OS 7 through 9 (many crashes - and yes OSX crashes as well), just as I did with Windows.
Having said that, with decent backups, I have had no serious issues with either OS. The worst part about Windows is the bi-annual reinstall (thanks to the cluttered registry)
No viruses either...and I don't use an anti-virus program. A simple firewall and some common sense go a long way. MS is not responsible for creating viruses; that is the work of others who simply hate MS...who happens to be the "Uncle on the Hill". If roles were reversed and Apple was the leader, people would write destructive software for them instead.
Thanks for the partial quotes - you could perhaps report on politics or movie-stars some day.
If $100 for MobileMe is an issue for someone, then they have other priorities to think about than MacBooks... I recall working all summer to save up to buy a $500 C-64... so yes, now that I've been an adult for 20 years and have worked 20 years... $1000 or $2000 for a new Mac is relatively not a big deal for me. I paid $3000 for a freaking PS/1 (of the IBM flavour - not Playstation).
What you get these days is immensely greater value for the money...
Sorry to offend all you 'poor' people, or whoever here thinks it is bad to have enough money to buy a Mac... seems a bit hypocritical... but whatever...
When it boils down to the nuts and bolts, my entire family switched to macs recently, I bought my daughter an iMac for her birthday last year, she loves it. I have been running osx since 2002 without a hitch, and to this day do not run virus scanners or spyware programs. I also have a 2nd machine I built running Ubuntu linux, again with no virus scanners or the sort, both my machines run great, and I use mac apps for my everyday productivity, iWork 09 is doing wonders for me.
I like to use machines that just work, without having to worry about which site will try to hack my machine when I visit them, I surf the web unimpeded and without regard to being infected and my system slowing down, that is the joy of using the mach BSD kernel running a unix operating system born from the original Unix.
Windows to me is an aberration that will one day go the way of the dinosaurs, its a huge over bearing flawed system that will go extinct soon enough. Until then let the masses enjoy their BSOD and having to subscribe to virus scanner programs. I will continue to use my secure system that just works.
I have to be honest here, I love Microsoft. If it were not for them I probably wouldn't be driving a new car, living in a big house and sitting with a pile of cash in the bank. The frequency and number of IT issues that we deal with regarding Microsoft OS is astounding. One of our customers who we made a tidy profit on, recently switched to Macs and their support call rate has dropped by 75%.
I hope Apple do not get a greater market share as this is going to hit us IT guys in the wallet.
Now here is a testimonial if ever there was one to be made for the Mac.
Personally, I'll admit that the closed nature of the Mac hardware is a distinct advantage for the PC/Windows side. Can't just pop onto Egghead.com or into your local Fry's for the latest and greatest video card upgrade. However, Mac makes a really great machine. I have converted my mother-in-law and she absolutely loves it. My brother-in-law, who I built his current Vista machine for, has told me when he needs to upgrade again he is getting a Mac. When my parent's PC, also built by me, finally dies I'm replacing it with a Mac mini.
I converted myself about 18 months ago. In that time I think I have had 2 crashes. If only my games would run natively under Mac OS X I wouldn't even need bootcamp. Heck, even if VM Ware could get Fusion to run all of my games smoothly I would be ecstatic. My biggest hope is that as market share for the Mac continues to grow, more software vendors will go the Blizzard and EA (Sims 3 here) route and write their titles for both platforms.
Thanks for the partial quotes - you could perhaps report on politics or movie-stars some day.
If $100 for MobileMe is an issue for someone, then they have other priorities to think about than MacBooks... I recall working all summer to save up to buy a $500 C-64... so yes, now that I've been an adult for 20 years and have worked 20 years... $1000 or $2000 for a new Mac is relatively not a big deal for me. I paid $3000 for a freaking PS/1 (of the IBM flavour - not Playstation).
What you get these days is immensely greater value for the money...
Sorry to offend all you 'poor' people, or whoever here thinks it is bad to have enough money to buy a Mac... seems a bit hypocritical... but whatever...
Seriously. In fact we now make a game of it during visits.
A kid I went to school with (crazy genius with computers) got a job at Best Buy, and he said he'd have fun with the people who thought they'd throw him off with their questions.
One time he answered a question with such an abundant amount of information, he ended his explanation with "I'm going to take a piss in the corner and let you guys decide what you want to do. Come get me if you have any further questions." and the people had stopped paying attention to the point where they simply heard the last sentence and were like "oh yeah ok that's fine" without thinking about it.
No viruses either...and I don't use an anti-virus program. A simple firewall and some common sense go a long way. MS is not responsible for creating viruses; that is the work of others who simply hate MS...
Cross site scripting and IE/Windows vulnerabilities is all it takes. Every time someone like you makes this claim makes me question if half the spam I get everyday originates from your PC. The days of "ahahaha I deleted your files" virii are mostly over, the new malware uses your "always on" internet connection to send spam -- and lots of it.
When you force a comparison between services that are different like Windows Live being free, even though it offers no similar service. Instead it offers download options for copies of software that comes standard on the Mac, and the other services they offer a free from them on the Mac. I guess the funny part is, Apple's hardware offers far more software availability than the Windows PC. You get all of the Mac only apps including those from Apple, you also can run Multiple Versions of Windows, & Linux on the same computer, even at the same time. So how does not going Mac give you more software choices?
Well, from MS point of view, if you add Windows and MS/Windows applications to your Mac, it is not Mac (only) any more - it's a PC too!
Since MS is primarily software company, they don't really care what hardware you run your OS on - as long as your OS is Windows... so their compare is actually Windows vs. OSX.
Microsoft is terribly scared of Apple. When you don't have anything better than the competition, you just attack and attack.
It has not worked, it is not working, and it will never work. They are losing the game. The rain has exposed the leaking roof. It will continue to drip water until the Microsoft shanty house is flooded.
So applying the same logic to Get a Mac commercials, one could say that Apple is terribly scared of Microsoft for years..?
I think that this training, while far from complete picture, is still more accurate than most Get a Mac commercials... and MS is not even broadcasting it, it is just internal sales training kit.
Which - back to your logic - makes Apple so much more afraid..?
Well, from MS point of view, if you add Windows and MS/Windows applications to your Mac, it is not Mac (only) any more - it's a PC too!
Since MS is primarily software company, they don't really care what hardware you run your OS on - as long as your OS is Windows... so their compare is actually Windows vs. OSX.
I?d argue that it?s a PC regardless of the OS you use on a Mac.
I do think that MS cares about the Mac adoption to an extent. While in the short run switchers may actually buy the retail version of Windows which is considerably more profitable than the OEM version, but in the long run Mac customers may completely forego Windows altogether, and if enough people adopt Macs and the trend of web-based services using open source browsers continues in the long-long run MS may find that their OS suffering more than a couple measly points.
Thanks for the partial quotes - you could perhaps report on politics or movie-stars some day.
Are you going to contest that they were inaccurate, misquoted, or taken out of context? Are you going to prove that all the extraneous context was actually relevant to the point at hand, thus making it necessary for me to reprint all that fluff? Or are you just going to resort to mudslinging?
Sarcasm only works when there's intelligence behind it.
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Sorry to offend all you 'poor' people, or whoever here thinks it is bad to have enough money to buy a Mac... seems a bit hypocritical... but whatever...
Hey, I have no problem with money. I have enough money to own a Mac too. It's annoying when someone wears it on their sleeve, takes every opportunity to mention it as if their self worth hangs in the balance.
Lots of people have enough money for a mac, it's all about being smart with your money, balancing priorities, etc. It's laughable to have someone talk about how mobile me is not worth the money and then go on to say, in effect, "but what the heck, i have money to waste!"
Are you going to contest that they were inaccurate, misquoted, or taken out of context? Are you going to prove that all the extraneous context was actually relevant to the point at hand, thus making it necessary for me to reprint all that fluff? Or are you just going to resort to mudslinging?
Lots of people have enough money for a mac, it's all about being smart with your money, balancing priorities, etc. It's laughable to have someone talk about how mobile me is not worth the money and then go on to say, in effect, "but what the heck, i have money to waste!"
No, you just took the one quote which was a partial quote... but you've got it right now... In effect, I am saying that I don't think MobileMe is as much value as is being charged (for me), but that for many it is invaluable (for them), and that I have enough money to 'waste' that it isn't a big deal (for me). Your implication was that I was some type of rich maniac throwing money around. Again, my point is that whatever you get out of MobileMe, it isn't like you need a second mortgage to get it. If it does something for you, and you think that it is worth $99, then spend it. In Canada, it is $129, and although it isn't a trivial amount, it's what, 30 cents a day? Probably as much as the average Mac uses in electricity over a year?
I still wish it offered more... and didn't explode this week with my calendar (yes, I've been bitten by the 'all day event' bug.) And, I wish people would spend less time preaching how 'perfect' Apple is, when they have their gaffes just like the rest of the tech world. 10.6.1 already?
I like my Mac. It is better in the ways that are important to me.
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What the heck was all that dribble about? I don't know if you're pro Mac pro or PC but none of it made any sense to me. If you're pro Mac then it would explain the non-sensible gibberish you've spewed.
If you?re pro PC then I?m at a total loss of words on how to reply, because you said nothing. There is a Free solution to everything you've (I think) tried to spew.
Have microsoft sent you a questionaire with guided q. and a. on my post with the ms bob interface. "Its [sic] possible" that you might understand then.
Get a mac, run os x, run windows, be happy
"I think I now know why, when I enter BestBuy, the employees say the odd lies that they do." As someone who has bought computers at both Best Buy and the Apple Store I can tell you I have gotten just as much bad information from Apple employees as Best Buy. Seriously. In fact we now make a game of it during visits.
Anecdotal evidence is only so effective. My friend just had her entire computer go BSOD a week ago. Windows XP i think.
There's different factors that go into causing a system to crash. Simply saying that someone's XP machine got a BSOD doesn't point to any fault in Windows exactly. For instance, if the ram goes bad from heat (and that's not limited to PC) blue screens are more frequent.
What I would like to see is the messages changed a bit to also include plain English. It's fine they can tell someone the technical details, but if the screen said something like "This error is most commonly caused by bad video card drivers" or whatever, it would alleviate some headaches.
Not going out of your way to advertise a competitors services isn't exactly "lying" - This presentation is just about right for a PC orientated sales pitch.
Apple Sales Training is just as biased.
Move along, nothing to see here...
WANNA BET!?
Apple reps are told to NEVER BERATE ANY MICROSOFT USER AT ANY COST. You can chuckle and agree with the customer but you are to NEVER put down a secondary system.
The fact is they are trained on windows, a hell of a lot more so than any Best Buy slacker (and yes any ANY best buy employee is a slacker - that's why you work there). I've seen the Apple store manager rip apart a windows PC OS to get the clients data out of there maybe better than I could do it. They do have a software package they install that helps but this situation was a little different.
Say Linux to an Apple rep and they'll go on about the pro's of a Unix system and how the commands you already know work fine and even all the apps you use can be compiled in Mac and run under X11.
How's about destroying our whole computing experience and forcing us to spent countless hours figuring workarounds for their shoddy workmanship, viruses, blue screens of death, crashes, lost data.. it would be surprising if people DID NOT have emotional baggage with them, not that they do.
I have used a MS OS since DOS and Apple's since the Apple IIe. I hate to break it to you, but they were not that much different in reliability. I remember quite a number of issues with OS 7 through 9 (many crashes - and yes OSX crashes as well), just as I did with Windows.
Having said that, with decent backups, I have had no serious issues with either OS. The worst part about Windows is the bi-annual reinstall (thanks to the cluttered registry)
No viruses either...and I don't use an anti-virus program. A simple firewall and some common sense go a long way. MS is not responsible for creating viruses; that is the work of others who simply hate MS...who happens to be the "Uncle on the Hill". If roles were reversed and Apple was the leader, people would write destructive software for them instead.
Get ... Over ... It.
::rolls eyes::
Thanks for the partial quotes - you could perhaps report on politics or movie-stars some day.
If $100 for MobileMe is an issue for someone, then they have other priorities to think about than MacBooks... I recall working all summer to save up to buy a $500 C-64... so yes, now that I've been an adult for 20 years and have worked 20 years... $1000 or $2000 for a new Mac is relatively not a big deal for me. I paid $3000 for a freaking PS/1 (of the IBM flavour - not Playstation).
What you get these days is immensely greater value for the money...
Sorry to offend all you 'poor' people, or whoever here thinks it is bad to have enough money to buy a Mac... seems a bit hypocritical... but whatever...
I like to use machines that just work, without having to worry about which site will try to hack my machine when I visit them, I surf the web unimpeded and without regard to being infected and my system slowing down, that is the joy of using the mach BSD kernel running a unix operating system born from the original Unix.
Windows to me is an aberration that will one day go the way of the dinosaurs, its a huge over bearing flawed system that will go extinct soon enough. Until then let the masses enjoy their BSOD and having to subscribe to virus scanner programs. I will continue to use my secure system that just works.
I have to be honest here, I love Microsoft. If it were not for them I probably wouldn't be driving a new car, living in a big house and sitting with a pile of cash in the bank. The frequency and number of IT issues that we deal with regarding Microsoft OS is astounding. One of our customers who we made a tidy profit on, recently switched to Macs and their support call rate has dropped by 75%.
I hope Apple do not get a greater market share as this is going to hit us IT guys in the wallet.
Now here is a testimonial if ever there was one to be made for the Mac.
Personally, I'll admit that the closed nature of the Mac hardware is a distinct advantage for the PC/Windows side. Can't just pop onto Egghead.com or into your local Fry's for the latest and greatest video card upgrade. However, Mac makes a really great machine. I have converted my mother-in-law and she absolutely loves it. My brother-in-law, who I built his current Vista machine for, has told me when he needs to upgrade again he is getting a Mac. When my parent's PC, also built by me, finally dies I'm replacing it with a Mac mini.
I converted myself about 18 months ago. In that time I think I have had 2 crashes. If only my games would run natively under Mac OS X I wouldn't even need bootcamp. Heck, even if VM Ware could get Fusion to run all of my games smoothly I would be ecstatic. My biggest hope is that as market share for the Mac continues to grow, more software vendors will go the Blizzard and EA (Sims 3 here) route and write their titles for both platforms.
Thanks for the partial quotes - you could perhaps report on politics or movie-stars some day.
If $100 for MobileMe is an issue for someone, then they have other priorities to think about than MacBooks... I recall working all summer to save up to buy a $500 C-64... so yes, now that I've been an adult for 20 years and have worked 20 years... $1000 or $2000 for a new Mac is relatively not a big deal for me. I paid $3000 for a freaking PS/1 (of the IBM flavour - not Playstation).
What you get these days is immensely greater value for the money...
Sorry to offend all you 'poor' people, or whoever here thinks it is bad to have enough money to buy a Mac... seems a bit hypocritical... but whatever...
http://www.alienware.com/customize/a...de=SKU-DEFAULT
A comparable high end pc, check the cost when paired against a mac pro workstation.
Seriously. In fact we now make a game of it during visits.
A kid I went to school with (crazy genius with computers) got a job at Best Buy, and he said he'd have fun with the people who thought they'd throw him off with their questions.
One time he answered a question with such an abundant amount of information, he ended his explanation with "I'm going to take a piss in the corner and let you guys decide what you want to do. Come get me if you have any further questions." and the people had stopped paying attention to the point where they simply heard the last sentence and were like "oh yeah ok that's fine" without thinking about it.
No viruses either...and I don't use an anti-virus program. A simple firewall and some common sense go a long way. MS is not responsible for creating viruses; that is the work of others who simply hate MS...
Cross site scripting and IE/Windows vulnerabilities is all it takes. Every time someone like you makes this claim makes me question if half the spam I get everyday originates from your PC. The days of "ahahaha I deleted your files" virii are mostly over, the new malware uses your "always on" internet connection to send spam -- and lots of it.
When you force a comparison between services that are different like Windows Live being free, even though it offers no similar service. Instead it offers download options for copies of software that comes standard on the Mac, and the other services they offer a free from them on the Mac. I guess the funny part is, Apple's hardware offers far more software availability than the Windows PC. You get all of the Mac only apps including those from Apple, you also can run Multiple Versions of Windows, & Linux on the same computer, even at the same time. So how does not going Mac give you more software choices?
Well, from MS point of view, if you add Windows and MS/Windows applications to your Mac, it is not Mac (only) any more - it's a PC too!
Since MS is primarily software company, they don't really care what hardware you run your OS on - as long as your OS is Windows... so their compare is actually Windows vs. OSX.
Microsoft is terribly scared of Apple. When you don't have anything better than the competition, you just attack and attack.
It has not worked, it is not working, and it will never work. They are losing the game. The rain has exposed the leaking roof. It will continue to drip water until the Microsoft shanty house is flooded.
So applying the same logic to Get a Mac commercials, one could say that Apple is terribly scared of Microsoft for years..?
I think that this training, while far from complete picture, is still more accurate than most Get a Mac commercials... and MS is not even broadcasting it, it is just internal sales training kit.
Which - back to your logic - makes Apple so much more afraid..?
Well, from MS point of view, if you add Windows and MS/Windows applications to your Mac, it is not Mac (only) any more - it's a PC too!
Since MS is primarily software company, they don't really care what hardware you run your OS on - as long as your OS is Windows... so their compare is actually Windows vs. OSX.
I?d argue that it?s a PC regardless of the OS you use on a Mac.
I do think that MS cares about the Mac adoption to an extent. While in the short run switchers may actually buy the retail version of Windows which is considerably more profitable than the OEM version, but in the long run Mac customers may completely forego Windows altogether, and if enough people adopt Macs and the trend of web-based services using open source browsers continues in the long-long run MS may find that their OS suffering more than a couple measly points.
Ultimately, people with intelligence will always choose the right product!!
Phil
And they do, but lets be civilized and accept that what is right for me is not necessarily right for you.
Thanks for the partial quotes - you could perhaps report on politics or movie-stars some day.
Are you going to contest that they were inaccurate, misquoted, or taken out of context? Are you going to prove that all the extraneous context was actually relevant to the point at hand, thus making it necessary for me to reprint all that fluff? Or are you just going to resort to mudslinging?
Sarcasm only works when there's intelligence behind it.
Sorry to offend all you 'poor' people, or whoever here thinks it is bad to have enough money to buy a Mac... seems a bit hypocritical... but whatever...
Hey, I have no problem with money. I have enough money to own a Mac too. It's annoying when someone wears it on their sleeve, takes every opportunity to mention it as if their self worth hangs in the balance.
Lots of people have enough money for a mac, it's all about being smart with your money, balancing priorities, etc. It's laughable to have someone talk about how mobile me is not worth the money and then go on to say, in effect, "but what the heck, i have money to waste!"
http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pi...ority-2009097/
Are you going to contest that they were inaccurate, misquoted, or taken out of context? Are you going to prove that all the extraneous context was actually relevant to the point at hand, thus making it necessary for me to reprint all that fluff? Or are you just going to resort to mudslinging?
Lots of people have enough money for a mac, it's all about being smart with your money, balancing priorities, etc. It's laughable to have someone talk about how mobile me is not worth the money and then go on to say, in effect, "but what the heck, i have money to waste!"
No, you just took the one quote which was a partial quote... but you've got it right now... In effect, I am saying that I don't think MobileMe is as much value as is being charged (for me), but that for many it is invaluable (for them), and that I have enough money to 'waste' that it isn't a big deal (for me). Your implication was that I was some type of rich maniac throwing money around. Again, my point is that whatever you get out of MobileMe, it isn't like you need a second mortgage to get it. If it does something for you, and you think that it is worth $99, then spend it. In Canada, it is $129, and although it isn't a trivial amount, it's what, 30 cents a day? Probably as much as the average Mac uses in electricity over a year?
I still wish it offered more... and didn't explode this week with my calendar (yes, I've been bitten by the 'all day event' bug.) And, I wish people would spend less time preaching how 'perfect' Apple is, when they have their gaffes just like the rest of the tech world. 10.6.1 already?
I like my Mac. It is better in the ways that are important to me.