I guess regular iPod refreshes, the App Store, the iPod as a pocket computing device, iTunes and regular software improvements, more storage, more speed, the best mobile browser etc., aren't actual improvements.
Should we be impressed that MS improved on garbage? Isn't that supposed to be easy?
Apparently, not, because it still isn't enough.
I was talking about the Apple TV- can't you read? Well when is APple going to improve on its garbage, I mean "hobby". So now your telling me I can put Apps on my Apple TV? Is there no end to your delusion?
There's not a whole lot of reason to be discussing this anyway, I'm beginning to realize. This thing will flop the same way the original Zune did. It's an exact rehash of the original Zune situation, except a few years later.
We're debating yet another one of MS' failures-to-be.
What flop? Microsoft is a software company, hence making the Zune their "hobby"
It's been in existence for over 3 years now and getting stronger now with the ZuneHD. That sounds like pretty decent progression to me. I'm just being unbiased.
What flop? Microsoft is a software company, hence making the Zune their "hobby"
It's been in existence for over 3 years now and getting stronger now with the ZuneHD. That sounds like pretty decent progression to me. I'm just being unbiased.
That's a typical MS excuse. It was just a "hobby" or an "experiment" that MS can afford to half-ass and not get called out on. They're not really serious, anyway . . .
Like the slow kid in the class. It's alright, he's trying!
A "real" experiment is the Apple TV. That's something Apple can afford to play around with for as long as they like. It's part of an emerging market, still trying to find its direction.
What flop? Microsoft is a software company, hence making the Zune their "hobby"
It's been in existence for over 3 years now and getting stronger now with the ZuneHD. That sounds like pretty decent progression to me. I'm just being unbiased.
That's a typical MS excuse. It was just a "hobby" or an "experiment" that MS can afford to half-ass and not get called out on. They're not really serious, anyway . . .
Like the slow kid in the class. It's alright, he's trying!
Hmmm, ever heard of the XBOX experiment, which played 2nd fiddle to PS2, and the XBOX360, which the PS3 plays 2nd fiddle to now?
That's a typical MS excuse. It was just a "hobby" or an "experiment" that MS can afford to half-ass and not get called out on. They're not really serious, anyway . . .
Like the slow kid in the class. It's alright, he's trying!
A "real" experiment is the Apple TV. That's something Apple can afford to play around with for as long as they like. It's part of an emerging market, still trying to find its direction.
Your kool-aid in your bathtub has been drawn sir. It awaits you- don't drown. Later.
All the cables? Try HDMI and power. Last time I checked, the Zune HD dock needs those as well.
And the audio going to my receiver and the Ethernet cord if that's how you have it connected to your network. And don't forget to take your little Apple remote control or your AppleTV will be useless when you get to your friend's house.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't keep my home theather cables out in the open where they are easily accessible. They are tucked away behind everying nice a neat. I'd much rather take just a small, pocketable device and a single cable, to make my content portable, than rip apart my entertainment center.
Hmmm, ever heard of the XBOX experiment, which played 2nd fiddle to PS2, and the XBOX360, which the PS3 plays 2nd fiddle to now?
I doubt the Xbox is a viable analogy for the Zune HD. Certainly not when the Zune HD is competing directly against Apple's hendheld ecosystem. MS has absolutely no time to mess around in this area, and they've already shown a startlingly incoherent strategy when it comes to handhelds. MS "getting it right" with the Zune HD when the rest of the indsutry has long since moved on isn't really saying a whole lot.
Your kool-aid in your bathtub has been drawn sir. It awaits you- don't drown. Later.
When you praise a company that has singlehandedly revolutionized the handheld industry (twice over), not as a reaction to any competition, but creating an entirely new paradigm each time, it's not Kool-Aid. It's making a smart bet.
There is no Apple "Kool Aid." Just the reality of witnessing continued success, year after year. Apple guides the rest of the industry. It's only natural that this will impress nearly everyone. Even naysayers. Why even argue against it.
When the Great Zune HD revolution happens and I refuse to recognize it, then you can call me anything. But until then, don't get all cooked because we're backing a winner.
And the audio going to my receiver and the Ethernet cord if that's how you have it connected to your network. And don't forget to take your little Apple remote control or your AppleTV will be useless when you get to your friend's house.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't keep my home theather cables out in the open where they are easily accessible. They are tucked away behind everying nice a neat. I'd much rather take just a small, pocketable device and a single cable, to make my content portable, than rip apart my entertainment center.
The analogy was that I was hypothetically taking my AppleTV to my friends house to watch some videos or a movie. For that, we don't necessarily need the ethernet cable if the movie or videos are already on the 160GB drive on my AppleTV. If we wanted to rent a movie, then I could just connect wirelessly to my friends network. Though, borrowing the ethernet cable from his PS3 would be even easier. As for the audio to the receiver, the HDMI carries that to the receiver and then the receiver then sends HDMI to the TV. And that little Apple remote, the Zune's dock has one of those too. Lastly, if your setup's wiring is tucked away nice and neat behind the equipment, then presumably the Zune's dock cables are as well. No more or less than the cables to the AppleTV, except that I can just borrow the HDMI off of my friends PS3 or other HDMI source. Technically, all I need is the power cable and the remote. Oh wait, I don't need the little remote, I can control my AppleTV with my iPhone.
The hardware makes the iPod touch look "fat and clunky." "The Zune?s sleek, angular look is made possible by a touchscreen that uses organic light-emitting diode, or OLED, technology, instead of the standard liquid crystal displays. OLEDs generate their own light, so there?s no little bank of fluorescent lamps mounted behind the screen. That makes the Zune remarkably thin and light."
Interesting he did not know that the iPod Touch is actually thinner than the new Zune.
Talks about how the screen makes it so thin.....but its really not.
let him be. He's just an Apple fan who will hate anything Ms does, regardless of what it is. There is something telling, however, of his need to constantly comment on the subject. Deep down he knows the Zune HD is a pretty cool toy, but since MS makes it, he has to voice his disapproval.
Competing against the iPod Touch in 2009, and not the iPhone, is a bit like claiming you're master of the bunny hill at the ski resort.
Ok that's too far. You know how many lives the bunny hill has claimed? It's not something to be taken lightly. As soon as you lose your fear and respect of it, it'll wrap you around a tree like it was nobody's business.
let him be. He's just an Apple fan who will hate anything Ms does, regardless of what it is.
Probably because most of what they've done for the past decade, and are doing now, really doesn't merit any significant level of excitement.
You'll forgive me if I have little to no faith in a company that has been in a near-comatose state when compared to a rival half its size and half its resources.
When it comes to the consumer sphere, MS hasn't known WTF it's doing for years. Sorry for not being super-pumped about a device that is yet again, trying to ape what Apple has already chewed up and spit out.
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I guess regular iPod refreshes, the App Store, the iPod as a pocket computing device, iTunes and regular software improvements, more storage, more speed, the best mobile browser etc., aren't actual improvements.
Should we be impressed that MS improved on garbage? Isn't that supposed to be easy?
Apparently, not, because it still isn't enough.
I was talking about the Apple TV- can't you read? Well when is APple going to improve on its garbage, I mean "hobby". So now your telling me I can put Apps on my Apple TV? Is there no end to your delusion?
Try sticking an iTV in your pocket and taking it for a walk, and you might understand
Try navigating the Zune from the couch while it is docked underneath your TV. Not that I am defending the Apple TV, I want to see it improve too.
PS. Quit saying iTV, that isn't its name.
There's not a whole lot of reason to be discussing this anyway, I'm beginning to realize. This thing will flop the same way the original Zune did. It's an exact rehash of the original Zune situation, except a few years later.
We're debating yet another one of MS' failures-to-be.
What flop? Microsoft is a software company, hence making the Zune their "hobby"
It's been in existence for over 3 years now and getting stronger now with the ZuneHD. That sounds like pretty decent progression to me. I'm just being unbiased.
What flop? Microsoft is a software company, hence making the Zune their "hobby"
It's been in existence for over 3 years now and getting stronger now with the ZuneHD. That sounds like pretty decent progression to me. I'm just being unbiased.
That's a typical MS excuse. It was just a "hobby" or an "experiment" that MS can afford to half-ass and not get called out on. They're not really serious, anyway . . .
Like the slow kid in the class. It's alright, he's trying!
A "real" experiment is the Apple TV. That's something Apple can afford to play around with for as long as they like. It's part of an emerging market, still trying to find its direction.
What flop? Microsoft is a software company, hence making the Zune their "hobby"
It's been in existence for over 3 years now and getting stronger now with the ZuneHD. That sounds like pretty decent progression to me. I'm just being unbiased.
Nowhere to go but up from their 1% market share.
That's a typical MS excuse. It was just a "hobby" or an "experiment" that MS can afford to half-ass and not get called out on. They're not really serious, anyway . . .
Like the slow kid in the class. It's alright, he's trying!
Hmmm, ever heard of the XBOX experiment, which played 2nd fiddle to PS2, and the XBOX360, which the PS3 plays 2nd fiddle to now?
Hmmm, ever heard of the XBOX experiment, which played 2nd fiddle to PS2, and the XBOX360, which the PS3 plays 2nd fiddle to now?
Yeah, the one that's cost them over a billion in losses.
It's more expensive and it still lacks the craftsmanship of ipod touch.
Sorry MS it should be back to the drawing board again.
That's a typical MS excuse. It was just a "hobby" or an "experiment" that MS can afford to half-ass and not get called out on. They're not really serious, anyway . . .
Like the slow kid in the class. It's alright, he's trying!
A "real" experiment is the Apple TV. That's something Apple can afford to play around with for as long as they like. It's part of an emerging market, still trying to find its direction.
Your kool-aid in your bathtub has been drawn sir. It awaits you- don't drown. Later.
All the cables? Try HDMI and power. Last time I checked, the Zune HD dock needs those as well.
And the audio going to my receiver and the Ethernet cord if that's how you have it connected to your network. And don't forget to take your little Apple remote control or your AppleTV will be useless when you get to your friend's house.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't keep my home theather cables out in the open where they are easily accessible. They are tucked away behind everying nice a neat. I'd much rather take just a small, pocketable device and a single cable, to make my content portable, than rip apart my entertainment center.
Hmmm, ever heard of the XBOX experiment, which played 2nd fiddle to PS2, and the XBOX360, which the PS3 plays 2nd fiddle to now?
I doubt the Xbox is a viable analogy for the Zune HD. Certainly not when the Zune HD is competing directly against Apple's hendheld ecosystem. MS has absolutely no time to mess around in this area, and they've already shown a startlingly incoherent strategy when it comes to handhelds. MS "getting it right" with the Zune HD when the rest of the indsutry has long since moved on isn't really saying a whole lot.
Why do we reward mediocrity?
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Because Microsoft reward with $$$$$!!!
Your kool-aid in your bathtub has been drawn sir. It awaits you- don't drown. Later.
When you praise a company that has singlehandedly revolutionized the handheld industry (twice over), not as a reaction to any competition, but creating an entirely new paradigm each time, it's not Kool-Aid. It's making a smart bet.
There is no Apple "Kool Aid." Just the reality of witnessing continued success, year after year. Apple guides the rest of the industry. It's only natural that this will impress nearly everyone. Even naysayers. Why even argue against it.
When the Great Zune HD revolution happens and I refuse to recognize it, then you can call me anything. But until then, don't get all cooked because we're backing a winner.
And the audio going to my receiver and the Ethernet cord if that's how you have it connected to your network. And don't forget to take your little Apple remote control or your AppleTV will be useless when you get to your friend's house.
I'm not saying it can't be done, but I don't keep my home theather cables out in the open where they are easily accessible. They are tucked away behind everying nice a neat. I'd much rather take just a small, pocketable device and a single cable, to make my content portable, than rip apart my entertainment center.
The analogy was that I was hypothetically taking my AppleTV to my friends house to watch some videos or a movie. For that, we don't necessarily need the ethernet cable if the movie or videos are already on the 160GB drive on my AppleTV. If we wanted to rent a movie, then I could just connect wirelessly to my friends network. Though, borrowing the ethernet cable from his PS3 would be even easier. As for the audio to the receiver, the HDMI carries that to the receiver and then the receiver then sends HDMI to the TV. And that little Apple remote, the Zune's dock has one of those too. Lastly, if your setup's wiring is tucked away nice and neat behind the equipment, then presumably the Zune's dock cables are as well. No more or less than the cables to the AppleTV, except that I can just borrow the HDMI off of my friends PS3 or other HDMI source. Technically, all I need is the power cable and the remote. Oh wait, I don't need the little remote, I can control my AppleTV with my iPhone.
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There is no Apple "Kool Aid."
KASPER! Please made this the website's subtitle.
Boston Globe's Hiawatha Bray:
The hardware makes the iPod touch look "fat and clunky." "The Zune?s sleek, angular look is made possible by a touchscreen that uses organic light-emitting diode, or OLED, technology, instead of the standard liquid crystal displays. OLEDs generate their own light, so there?s no little bank of fluorescent lamps mounted behind the screen. That makes the Zune remarkably thin and light."
Interesting he did not know that the iPod Touch is actually thinner than the new Zune.
Talks about how the screen makes it so thin.....but its really not.
KASPER! Please made this the website's subtitle.
rofl.
let him be. He's just an Apple fan who will hate anything Ms does, regardless of what it is. There is something telling, however, of his need to constantly comment on the subject. Deep down he knows the Zune HD is a pretty cool toy, but since MS makes it, he has to voice his disapproval.
Competing against the iPod Touch in 2009, and not the iPhone, is a bit like claiming you're master of the bunny hill at the ski resort.
Ok that's too far. You know how many lives the bunny hill has claimed? It's not something to be taken lightly. As soon as you lose your fear and respect of it, it'll wrap you around a tree like it was nobody's business.
rofl.
let him be. He's just an Apple fan who will hate anything Ms does, regardless of what it is.
Probably because most of what they've done for the past decade, and are doing now, really doesn't merit any significant level of excitement.
You'll forgive me if I have little to no faith in a company that has been in a near-comatose state when compared to a rival half its size and half its resources.
When it comes to the consumer sphere, MS hasn't known WTF it's doing for years. Sorry for not being super-pumped about a device that is yet again, trying to ape what Apple has already chewed up and spit out.
How the hell am I supposed to react?