This isn't really comparable to Snow Leopard, since SL at $29 is just an upgrade...the windows thing is the full clean install version for that price.
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
Mac's don't have the same graphics cards as you can get in a PC. YOu need to buy a Mac Pro for a discrete graphics card. For a PC any cheapo Dell under $1000 will have a better graphcs card than an iMac. for build it yourself if you buy a nice power supply for $50 - $75 you can run two top of the line graphics cards each with 1GB of RAM side by side. The upcoming ATI graphics card will run resolutions over 7000 x something else riduculous
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
Very good point. As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is 10% execution, 45% marketing and 45% shafting.
or better yet, who would even install it, if it were free?
Have you tried windows 7? It isn't as bad as you may think. I do agree after the Vista mishap they should be offering it for $30 for everyone, though.
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I'm with you on this. Bur for those who want to make use of Bootcamp for whatever reason, they might as well get it legit.
I personally never stray from OS X, but my fiance is a teacher and the grading software the school provides of course only runs on windows. Just an example of a real-world need to have both OS's.
Just to clarify, SL is $29 for existing Leopard (10.5) owners, but the only way Tiger users can legally obtain it is through the Box Set price. So while the $29 install DVD may technically work as a clean-install for all Intel-based Mac users, it is legally only available for 10.5 users.
(I know that many Tiger users will get it anyway for $29, but for the sake of discussions we should be precise about product comparisons.)
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On a different note, where do all these people get 'legal' copies of Windows 7? I wasn't aware it was for sale yet.
Thank you for pointing this out, I was just coming on here to do the same thing. Lets compare apples to apples (no pun intended), shall we? Comparing a full install price to an upgrade price is very misleading.
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Also, there are plenty of ways to obtain legal copies of Weven right now: If you have a technet or MSDN subsrciption, you can get it right now. Or, if your company has a software assurance agreement with Microsoft, you can get it right now. Also, you can get the RTM on private computers on a trial basis right now as well.
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
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Very good point. As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is 10% execution, 45% marketing and 45% shafting.
As much as I (and many people on this site) don't like Microsoft, this disc is more than just an upgrade; you can use this to perform a clean installation also. Quoted from a link on the page to perform a custom installation if you don't have Vista:
"Installing a custom version of Windows. Choose Custom to completely replace your current operating system, or to install Windows on a specific drive or partition that you select. You can also use Custom if your computer does not have an operating system, or if you want to set up a multiboot system on your computer. For more information about setting up a multiboot system, see Install more than one operating system (multiboot)."
It seems as though this is similar to the $29 SL installation being able to perform a clean install, as this version of Win7 also can. But I would also have to agree it is quite sad that the 64-bit version isn't compatible with XP apps unless you get Ultimate \
Sure, but that does not really solve the student issue in relation to this posting. I think that student should apply to all students, not just college students.
As far as boot camp is concerned, no real reason to purchase a mac when it will sit in windows all day, just too pricy when I can get the latest DX10 hardware much more cost effective.
So the dream scenario would be something like the code weavers product or a VM that did really fast 3d, that could allow the majority of their games to run inside of Snow Leopard. We have tried it, and it works most of the time, but not enough of the time to warrant the switch.
So either Apple or game companies will catch up with windows in gaming (which I hope happens) or my kids will start college (3 years). We should start a pool.
For a limited time, students will be able to purchase Microsoft's upcoming Windows 7 operating system for $30, roughly the same price as Apple's competing Mac OS X Snow Leopard.
Since when is a $.99 difference "roughly" the same price?
As much as I (and many people on this site) don't like Microsoft, this disc is more than just an upgrade; you can use this to perform a clean installation also. Quoted from a link on the page to perform a custom installation if you don't have Vista:
"Installing a custom version of Windows. Choose Custom to completely replace your current operating system, or to install Windows on a specific drive or partition that you select. You can also use Custom if your computer does not have an operating system, or if you want to set up a multiboot system on your computer. For more information about setting up a multiboot system, see Install more than one operating system (multiboot)."
It seems as though this is similar to the $29 SL installation being able to perform a clean install, as this version of Win7 also can. But I would also have to agree it is quite sad that the 64-bit version isn't compatible with XP apps unless you get Ultimate \
The disk costs extra.
"Rather than mailing a disc, the software will be made available for students to download in either 32- or 64-bit versions. The Web site's FAQ recommends that those looking to do a clean install of the operating system buy a Windows 7 backup DVD."
"Rather than mailing a disc, the software will be made available for students to download in either 32- or 64-bit versions. The Web site's FAQ recommends that those looking to do a clean install of the operating system buy a Windows 7 backup DVD."
It is a great deal though.
I forgot to include that, sorry. Yes the disc costs an extra $13, but I went for it. $42.99 for a new OS won't break the bank for me.
Same here in Italy.. Well, not that I have it installed anywhere, I just have some .isos in case of emergencies.
Can't believe this doesn't apply in the US, and with that I mean that I would bet money on american students already being able to get MS products for free...
I'm not a USA'ian, but I am not sure this happens in US colleges. The reason being that your Windows isn't so much "free" as it is bought by your University as a kind of cheap blanket licence. In Canada we do the same thing at least for products like Office if not for the OS itself.
I don't have any real info on it but I'm thinking maybe this is too "socialist" for the US.
Thank you for pointing this out, I was just coming on here to do the same thing. Lets compare apples to apples (no pun intended), shall we? Comparing a full install price to an upgrade price is very misleading....
I wouldn't say it was "very" misleading, even if one of the products was an upgrade and one wasn't.
They are different enough, (and MS's price structuring is complicated enough), to make the comparison very hard, but in fact they are both upgrade products, even though you can do a clean install with either.
Have you tried windows 7? It isn't as bad as you may think. I do agree after the Vista mishap they should be offering it for $30 for everyone, though.
I personally never stray from OS X, but my fiance is a teacher and the grading software the school provides of course only runs on windows. Just an example of a real-world need to have both OS's.
yes i have tried windows 7 and wouldn't purchase it, and wouldn't even install it if it were free. it came too late, and it's pathetic.
"Rather than mailing a disc, the software will be made available for students to download in either 32- or 64-bit versions. The Web site's FAQ recommends that those looking to do a clean install of the operating system buy a Windows 7 backup DVD."
It is a great deal though.
the download is probably an iso file like you get from technet or msdn and you just burn your own DVD
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Marketing bullcrap if you ask me.
This isn't really comparable to Snow Leopard, since SL at $29 is just an upgrade...the windows thing is the full clean install version for that price.
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
Ever heard of Boot Camp?
Mac's don't have the same graphics cards as you can get in a PC. YOu need to buy a Mac Pro for a discrete graphics card. For a PC any cheapo Dell under $1000 will have a better graphcs card than an iMac. for build it yourself if you buy a nice power supply for $50 - $75 you can run two top of the line graphics cards each with 1GB of RAM side by side. The upcoming ATI graphics card will run resolutions over 7000 x something else riduculous
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
Very good point. As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is 10% execution, 45% marketing and 45% shafting.
who would pay 30 dollars for windows 7?
or better yet, who would even install it, if it were free?
Have you tried windows 7? It isn't as bad as you may think. I do agree after the Vista mishap they should be offering it for $30 for everyone, though.
I'm with you on this. Bur for those who want to make use of Bootcamp for whatever reason, they might as well get it legit.
I personally never stray from OS X, but my fiance is a teacher and the grading software the school provides of course only runs on windows. Just an example of a real-world need to have both OS's.
Just to clarify, SL is $29 for existing Leopard (10.5) owners, but the only way Tiger users can legally obtain it is through the Box Set price. So while the $29 install DVD may technically work as a clean-install for all Intel-based Mac users, it is legally only available for 10.5 users.
(I know that many Tiger users will get it anyway for $29, but for the sake of discussions we should be precise about product comparisons.)
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On a different note, where do all these people get 'legal' copies of Windows 7? I wasn't aware it was for sale yet.
Thank you for pointing this out, I was just coming on here to do the same thing. Lets compare apples to apples (no pun intended), shall we? Comparing a full install price to an upgrade price is very misleading.
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Also, there are plenty of ways to obtain legal copies of Weven right now: If you have a technet or MSDN subsrciption, you can get it right now. Or, if your company has a software assurance agreement with Microsoft, you can get it right now. Also, you can get the RTM on private computers on a trial basis right now as well.
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
Very good point. As usual, Microsoft puts out a product that is 10% execution, 45% marketing and 45% shafting.
As much as I (and many people on this site) don't like Microsoft, this disc is more than just an upgrade; you can use this to perform a clean installation also. Quoted from a link on the page to perform a custom installation if you don't have Vista:
"Installing a custom version of Windows. Choose Custom to completely replace your current operating system, or to install Windows on a specific drive or partition that you select. You can also use Custom if your computer does not have an operating system, or if you want to set up a multiboot system on your computer. For more information about setting up a multiboot system, see Install more than one operating system (multiboot)."
It seems as though this is similar to the $29 SL installation being able to perform a clean install, as this version of Win7 also can. But I would also have to agree it is quite sad that the 64-bit version isn't compatible with XP apps unless you get Ultimate
Ever heard of Boot Camp?
Sure, but that does not really solve the student issue in relation to this posting. I think that student should apply to all students, not just college students.
As far as boot camp is concerned, no real reason to purchase a mac when it will sit in windows all day, just too pricy when I can get the latest DX10 hardware much more cost effective.
So the dream scenario would be something like the code weavers product or a VM that did really fast 3d, that could allow the majority of their games to run inside of Snow Leopard. We have tried it, and it works most of the time, but not enough of the time to warrant the switch.
So either Apple or game companies will catch up with windows in gaming (which I hope happens) or my kids will start college (3 years). We should start a pool.
For a limited time, students will be able to purchase Microsoft's upcoming Windows 7 operating system for $30, roughly the same price as Apple's competing Mac OS X Snow Leopard.
Since when is a $.99 difference "roughly" the same price?
I would call that "almost" the same price.
As much as I (and many people on this site) don't like Microsoft, this disc is more than just an upgrade; you can use this to perform a clean installation also. Quoted from a link on the page to perform a custom installation if you don't have Vista:
"Installing a custom version of Windows. Choose Custom to completely replace your current operating system, or to install Windows on a specific drive or partition that you select. You can also use Custom if your computer does not have an operating system, or if you want to set up a multiboot system on your computer. For more information about setting up a multiboot system, see Install more than one operating system (multiboot)."
It seems as though this is similar to the $29 SL installation being able to perform a clean install, as this version of Win7 also can. But I would also have to agree it is quite sad that the 64-bit version isn't compatible with XP apps unless you get Ultimate
The disk costs extra.
"Rather than mailing a disc, the software will be made available for students to download in either 32- or 64-bit versions. The Web site's FAQ recommends that those looking to do a clean install of the operating system buy a Windows 7 backup DVD."
It is a great deal though.
Since when is a $.99 difference "roughly" the same price?
I would call that "almost" the same price.
What is wrong with roughly? Almost implies that the price falls short. Roughly implies that the price difference isn't large enough to matter.
The disk costs extra.
"Rather than mailing a disc, the software will be made available for students to download in either 32- or 64-bit versions. The Web site's FAQ recommends that those looking to do a clean install of the operating system buy a Windows 7 backup DVD."
It is a great deal though.
I forgot to include that, sorry. Yes the disc costs an extra $13, but I went for it. $42.99 for a new OS won't break the bank for me.
This isn't really comparable to Snow Leopard, since SL at $29 is just an upgrade...the windows thing is the full clean install version for that price.
Actually , you CAN do a clean install from the $29 SL. I have done it, along with millions more. All you gotta do is boot from it.
Same here in Italy.. Well, not that I have it installed anywhere, I just have some .isos in case of emergencies.
Can't believe this doesn't apply in the US, and with that I mean that I would bet money on american students already being able to get MS products for free...
I'm not a USA'ian, but I am not sure this happens in US colleges. The reason being that your Windows isn't so much "free" as it is bought by your University as a kind of cheap blanket licence. In Canada we do the same thing at least for products like Office if not for the OS itself.
I don't have any real info on it but I'm thinking maybe this is too "socialist" for the US.
Thank you for pointing this out, I was just coming on here to do the same thing. Lets compare apples to apples (no pun intended), shall we? Comparing a full install price to an upgrade price is very misleading....
I wouldn't say it was "very" misleading, even if one of the products was an upgrade and one wasn't.
They are different enough, (and MS's price structuring is complicated enough), to make the comparison very hard, but in fact they are both upgrade products, even though you can do a clean install with either.
Have you tried windows 7? It isn't as bad as you may think. I do agree after the Vista mishap they should be offering it for $30 for everyone, though.
I personally never stray from OS X, but my fiance is a teacher and the grading software the school provides of course only runs on windows. Just an example of a real-world need to have both OS's.
yes i have tried windows 7 and wouldn't purchase it, and wouldn't even install it if it were free. it came too late, and it's pathetic.
The disk costs extra.
"Rather than mailing a disc, the software will be made available for students to download in either 32- or 64-bit versions. The Web site's FAQ recommends that those looking to do a clean install of the operating system buy a Windows 7 backup DVD."
It is a great deal though.
the download is probably an iso file like you get from technet or msdn and you just burn your own DVD
I forgot to include that, sorry. Yes the disc costs an extra $13, but I went for it. $42.99 for a new OS won't break the bank for me.
Where was the option to order the disc? I placed my order, but the only extra option I had was the download backup for $5.95.