Given the LaserWriter 630 Pro was discontinued by Apple back in 1994 and AppleTalk support ont he PC side was limited and its required mac support had fallen of a cliff it is no surprise that support for it was "somehow" get left out of Snow Leopard.
Even worse, it?s no secret that AppleTalk was finally dropped from Snow Leopard. Even so, it?s a simple Google search to see that even people with 15yo printers are getting them connected with relative ease.
Personally, if I was running such old tech I would not be updating to the newest OS simply because it?s out. I?d wait for reports to see if my HW is compatible, but that? just me.
This is ludicrous asking someone to do a youtuble, you ask something that would be time consuming knowing that he is unlikely to do it and therefore you think you won your point.
He is right in his observations about it being as fast!
This is the cop out of the lazy who doesn't want to back up their claims. There are already start up videos of Tiger and quite a few on running Windows 7 beta via VMware.
Even worse, it?s no secret that AppleTalk was finally dropped from Snow Leopard. Even so, it?s a simple Google search to see that even people with 15yo printers are getting them connected with relative ease.
Personally, if I was running such old tech I would not be updating to the newest OS simply because it?s out. I?d wait for reports to see if my HW is compatible, but that? just me.
That is a reasonable line of thought regardless of what OS you want to use. The odds are the drivers are likely not going to be there or even if they are they are going to have "quirks" with the old hardware. There are work arounds (such as described at Apple blog's How-To: Resurrect Your AppleTalk Printer in Snow Leopard but given how cheap newer printers with higher resolutions are IMHO you really should be asking yourself if it is work it.
This news was posted on MacRumors as well. Not surprisingly, both AI and MR post more or less the same news each day. This same thread on MR, however, grows to about 300+ posts, most of them by a) complainers who gripe about how terrible Apple is yet continue to buy their products and b) Windows enthusiasts.
It's ridiculous. I'm thinking of pulling out of there altogether. 300+ posts of whine and Windows trolling. And this is the case with most news threads there.
I am going to go from mac only to co use for Windows 7 and unless Apple changes something before my Macbook becomes completely outdates, I will be phasing Apple out: heres why:
Windows 7 is just as good a user experiance as OSX, better in some ways. and I will be replacing my macbook with a 12 inch netbook, I will get a 1.6GHZ single core CPU, 2GB Ram, a 250 GB HDD and andd a GPU that can not only handle H.264 in hardware, but supports and delivers HDMI OUT, it is lighter than the macbook air, and it will cost me $430 shipped. For power use, I am looking at a quad core dell desktop with plemty of ram, a huge HDD, and a middle of the road GPU for about $500, so for les than the cost of one macbook, I will have a desktop that can blow the imac away and a good enough portable solution.
Now then, I bought boxed copies of Leopard and snow leopard, so I may just do a hackintosh dual boot, why not? I paid for the licensing, and I own apple HW that can run it...
Look at the advantages of Windows today from my view:
Win 7 is a great platform that runs a much better version of Office than the shit that passes for Office:Mac 2008
Best of both hardware worlds: ultra cheap, ultra portable good enough laptop, and a powerful desktop for the heavy apps that I wouldnt run on a 12 inch scren anyway
ZUNE SUBSCRIPTION - I love music, but I only have about $100 of "play money" per month, this allows me to have a great music collection and save ny cash for the dozen or so alblums that I want to own in their highest quality.
gaming: I really do not play games, but for the one game every 2 or 3 years that I want to try, the desktop will meet that need sufficiantly, I dont need 16x anti aliasing to shoot zombies...
just for comparison sake, I should mention that the desktop will use a 22 inch monitor that I already own, something I cannot do with the imac, and the specs of the mac mini? please, dont make me laugh...
Windows 7 is just as good a user experiance as OSX, better in some ways.
Except that it isn't. And it can never be, by default, due to MS' business model, which is anything but user-centric. OS X and Windows 7 are like night and day. This is as true now in 2009 as it was in 2001.
Except that it isn't. And it can never be, by default, due to MS' business model, which is anything but user-centric. OS X and Windows 7 are like night and day. This is as true now in 2009 as it was in 2001.
But to each their own. You'll be back.
Not until I can get a decent HW experiance...The Macbook may as well be a netbook, and the 15 inch pros are all overpriced by at least $500 to their PC counterparts...
I hated XP, but 7 is fine...have you used 7? what is wrong with it specifically?
I can run 64 bit Photoshop on Windows, I can run 64 bit video editing tools like Premere,
Money is hard to come by, so why should I spend >$2000 for a tower computer with a beefy proc, reasonable GPU and support for more than 4gb ram when I can get that for about $500? No, I am not comparing the mac pro directly to a $500 PC, but I am saying that a $500-ish PC can meet my needs (while leaving the mac mini in the dust), so why should I buy a Mac Pro?
If you cvan convince me that a Mac Pro is worth the $$, I will reconsider...good luck...
Not until I can get a decent HW experiance...The Macbook may as well be a netbook, and the 15 inch pros are all overpriced by at least $500 to their PC counterparts...
I hated XP, but 7 is fine...have you used 7? what is wrong with it specifically?
I can run 64 bit Photoshop on Windows, I can run 64 bit video editing tools like Premere,
Money is hard to come by, so why should I spend >$2000 for a tower computer with a beefy proc, reasonable GPU and support for more than 4gb ram when I can get that for about $500? No, I am not comparing the mac pro directly to a $500 PC, but I am saying that a $500-ish PC can meet my needs (while leaving the mac mini in the dust), so why should I buy a Mac Pro?
If you cvan convince me that a Mac Pro is worth the $$, I will reconsider...good luck...
Windows 7 still slows down over time (at least for me), User Account Control is an all or nothing affair, and will ask you if you want to run specific programs every time you launch them (if you clicked yes the last 10 times you launched the program, why would you click no the 11th time?), Windows Media Player opens in 32 bit mode by default, while Windows Media Center open in 64 bit mode (need separate codecs for each), document flip is a joke compared to expose, the control panel is a bloated mess, and search (in vista and 7) is much improved but it still doesn't match spotlight. Things I like are aero peak and the dock-like task bar. Security is improved, the libraries feature can be useful. Windows 7 is high on visual flair, much like the Zune, for the initial wow factor, but after that wears off it is still Windows at heart.
Mac Laptops have some specific hardware advantages including the multi-touch track pads (starting to come to some Windows machines), ambient light sensors with auto dimming lcd's and illuminated keyboards (so you don't burn your retina's at night), generally lighter weight and thinner while also being stronger and stiffer. I personally prefer Apple keyboards, I use one on my PC. imacs are good if you want an all in one PC but there is definitely a whole in their desktop product line. It's a hole I don't expect Apple to fill due to the low margins and dropping sales of most desktops.
I built a PC because Apple didn't have the desktop I wanted (HTPC/gaming rig), although I somewhat regret doing it. I feel I may have been better off with a console (which I have bought) and a mac mini (which is in the plans). I do enjoy tinkering with my PC though and my 3+ year MBP isn't running WoW too well anymore, so I guess the PC will always have its niche (games not available on a console).
Windows 7 still slows down over time (at least for me), User Account Control is an all or nothing affair, and will ask you if you want to run specific programs every time you launch them (if you clicked yes the last 10 times you launched the program, why would you click no the 11th time?), Windows Media Player opens in 32 bit mode by default, while Windows Media Center open in 64 bit mode (need separate codecs for each), document flip is a joke compared to expose, the control panel is a bloated mess, and search (in vista and 7) is much improved but it still doesn't match spotlight. Things I like are aero peak and the dock-like task bar. Security is improved, the libraries feature can be useful. Windows 7 is high on visual flair, much like the Zune, for the initial wow factor, but after that wears off it is still Windows at heart.
I checked this out on the site - there was no way I could see to get the professional version - only the Home version, which is lame.
Let me know if someone else figures it out. This is actually better than our school licensing prices. Great for running under Fusion if you are still using XP.
To the poster who said Snow Leopard is just an upgrade price, go do some research. It can be installed on any machine.
No, you can get Professional for $30 too. After you type in your email address and you get the confirmation email. There is a thing towards the bottom that says something like, Do you have to connect to [something]? If you click that you can get the Pro version.
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
Windows 7 Professional can get Windows XP Mode, if that's what you mean. Windows 7, from what I read, is has good compatibility with 32-bit in the 64-bit version. Windows 7 can do an upgrade or a clean install. Most features that are in Ultimate don't matter to most users, I've never seen anyone recommend to get the Ultimate version. Pro or Home Premium or sufficient for most.
I personally never stray from OS X, but my fiance is a teacher and the grading software the school provides of course only runs on windows. Just an example of a real-world need to have both OS's.
Good point DK, I hate it when people come here to post and assume that just because they have no need for something no one else should either. I'm in the same boat as you and have a few cases where I have to run Windows end of story. Thanks to AI for posting this story so I can grab a copy myself.
Most univs have a $10 deal that lets students buy PRO for $10 or Ultimate for $20...I recomend Pro because it has a terminal services license, which can be handy for remote access, it also provides XP mode for older apps, that is a windows xp VM inside of Virtual PC, included with the Eindows 7 license if you get pro or ult.
I noticed that the page that started these comments mentioned:
"The offer applies to the Home Premium and Professional versions of Windows 7. Students are allowed to purchase one copy of either from Microsoft's online store. Similar offers are available in the U.K, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Korea and Mexico."
Does anyone know where to install? I do want to install Win7 on my daughters Acer because we have never been able to get Vista to do much but stop functioning all together.
they put a requirement of at least a certain number of credit hours and a campus based email
it is download only. or pay us more for a disk to have as well
you can have EITHER 32 or 64 but not both
well i guess it is something
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Originally Posted by rbonner
Just checked, my boy's can't get the same deal since they are in high school. It's interesting to me that the deal does not go down to the pre-college level, or maybe Microsoft thinks that they are either already hooked or too far away from a purchase.
to be fair, Apple's student discount is only college also
Our university provide every student with free Vista Ultimate and XP Pro upgrades, free MS Office for Windows and Mac (full not upgrades), free McAfee AV for Windows and Mac, and many other software. I am sure we will have access to free Windows 7 when it comes out. I haven't paid for MS products for years now. Other than the Dell notebooks the library loan to students, Apple is most popular computer brand I see within our campus. I remember years back it was strange seeing someone with an Apple notebook.
I checked this out on the site - there was no way I could see to get the professional version - only the Home version, which is lame.
Let me know if someone else figures it out. This is actually better than our school licensing prices. Great for running under Fusion if you are still using XP.
To the poster who said Snow Leopard is just an upgrade price, go do some research. It can be installed on any machine.
Except for the machines made by the following:
HP Compaq
Dell
Gateway
Lenovo/ IBM
VoodooPC
Alienware
AsusTek
Acer
Sony
Toshiba
Panasonic
Fujistu
Hitachi
Sharp
Samsung
Systemax
Wyse Technologies
Yourself
and so on and so forth.
Also, the license attached to the software is NOT academic. Once you purchase Windows 7 through this program, it's yours for good. Getting professional is done through clicking the link asking if you need to join your college's domain. Probably not the simplest thing ever, but Microsoft makes you use your brain.
I'm new here to the forums, and I would like to provide a balanced, well thought out counterpoint to the popularity of Apple products. No hate here, just contrarianism.
I actually like that it's a download and not a disk. You can purchase the disk for an extra $13, but it's whatever. $40 or so for a complete operating system is a great deal, and as a student, I think that Windows is a better OS for school, at least for now. OneNote and the extra physical security features of PC's (fingerprint readers, etc.) make life a little easier. Windows Media Center pretty much justifies the price of Windows, if you ask me.
That's something many are unaware of. Once you graduate and want to use it, even to teach say, you have to pay the full price ( Home and Student editions don't cover teachers). Of course many places have site licenses but if you don't fall under that setup you want to be careful before locking yourself into software. This is, of course, the great appeal of open source software.
pmcd
That's false. If you're a subscriber of the MSDN AA program you can use the software you've obtained via the program for the rest of your life. At least that's the situation in Europe
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Given the LaserWriter 630 Pro was discontinued by Apple back in 1994 and AppleTalk support ont he PC side was limited and its required mac support had fallen of a cliff it is no surprise that support for it was "somehow" get left out of Snow Leopard.
Even worse, it?s no secret that AppleTalk was finally dropped from Snow Leopard. Even so, it?s a simple Google search to see that even people with 15yo printers are getting them connected with relative ease.
Personally, if I was running such old tech I would not be updating to the newest OS simply because it?s out. I?d wait for reports to see if my HW is compatible, but that? just me.
This is ludicrous asking someone to do a youtuble, you ask something that would be time consuming knowing that he is unlikely to do it and therefore you think you won your point.
He is right in his observations about it being as fast!
This is the cop out of the lazy who doesn't want to back up their claims. There are already start up videos of Tiger and quite a few on running Windows 7 beta via VMware.
Even worse, it?s no secret that AppleTalk was finally dropped from Snow Leopard. Even so, it?s a simple Google search to see that even people with 15yo printers are getting them connected with relative ease.
Personally, if I was running such old tech I would not be updating to the newest OS simply because it?s out. I?d wait for reports to see if my HW is compatible, but that? just me.
That is a reasonable line of thought regardless of what OS you want to use. The odds are the drivers are likely not going to be there or even if they are they are going to have "quirks" with the old hardware. There are work arounds (such as described at Apple blog's How-To: Resurrect Your AppleTalk Printer in Snow Leopard but given how cheap newer printers with higher resolutions are IMHO you really should be asking yourself if it is work it.
This news was posted on MacRumors as well. Not surprisingly, both AI and MR post more or less the same news each day. This same thread on MR, however, grows to about 300+ posts, most of them by a) complainers who gripe about how terrible Apple is yet continue to buy their products and b) Windows enthusiasts.
It's ridiculous. I'm thinking of pulling out of there altogether. 300+ posts of whine and Windows trolling. And this is the case with most news threads there.
Anyway, back to *this* thread . . .
Windows 7 is just as good a user experiance as OSX, better in some ways. and I will be replacing my macbook with a 12 inch netbook, I will get a 1.6GHZ single core CPU, 2GB Ram, a 250 GB HDD and andd a GPU that can not only handle H.264 in hardware, but supports and delivers HDMI OUT, it is lighter than the macbook air, and it will cost me $430 shipped. For power use, I am looking at a quad core dell desktop with plemty of ram, a huge HDD, and a middle of the road GPU for about $500, so for les than the cost of one macbook, I will have a desktop that can blow the imac away and a good enough portable solution.
Now then, I bought boxed copies of Leopard and snow leopard, so I may just do a hackintosh dual boot, why not? I paid for the licensing, and I own apple HW that can run it...
Look at the advantages of Windows today from my view:
- Win 7 is a great platform that runs a much better version of Office than the shit that passes for Office:Mac 2008
- Best of both hardware worlds: ultra cheap, ultra portable good enough laptop, and a powerful desktop for the heavy apps that I wouldnt run on a 12 inch scren anyway
- ZUNE SUBSCRIPTION - I love music, but I only have about $100 of "play money" per month, this allows me to have a great music collection and save ny cash for the dozen or so alblums that I want to own in their highest quality.
- gaming: I really do not play games, but for the one game every 2 or 3 years that I want to try, the desktop will meet that need sufficiantly, I dont need 16x anti aliasing to shoot zombies...
just for comparison sake, I should mention that the desktop will use a 22 inch monitor that I already own, something I cannot do with the imac, and the specs of the mac mini? please, dont make me laugh...Windows 7 is just as good a user experiance as OSX, better in some ways.
Except that it isn't. And it can never be, by default, due to MS' business model, which is anything but user-centric. OS X and Windows 7 are like night and day. This is as true now in 2009 as it was in 2001.
But to each their own. You'll be back.
Except that it isn't. And it can never be, by default, due to MS' business model, which is anything but user-centric. OS X and Windows 7 are like night and day. This is as true now in 2009 as it was in 2001.
But to each their own. You'll be back.
Not until I can get a decent HW experiance...The Macbook may as well be a netbook, and the 15 inch pros are all overpriced by at least $500 to their PC counterparts...
I hated XP, but 7 is fine...have you used 7? what is wrong with it specifically?
I can run 64 bit Photoshop on Windows, I can run 64 bit video editing tools like Premere,
Money is hard to come by, so why should I spend >$2000 for a tower computer with a beefy proc, reasonable GPU and support for more than 4gb ram when I can get that for about $500? No, I am not comparing the mac pro directly to a $500 PC, but I am saying that a $500-ish PC can meet my needs (while leaving the mac mini in the dust), so why should I buy a Mac Pro?
If you cvan convince me that a Mac Pro is worth the $$, I will reconsider...good luck...
Not until I can get a decent HW experiance...The Macbook may as well be a netbook, and the 15 inch pros are all overpriced by at least $500 to their PC counterparts...
I hated XP, but 7 is fine...have you used 7? what is wrong with it specifically?
I can run 64 bit Photoshop on Windows, I can run 64 bit video editing tools like Premere,
Money is hard to come by, so why should I spend >$2000 for a tower computer with a beefy proc, reasonable GPU and support for more than 4gb ram when I can get that for about $500? No, I am not comparing the mac pro directly to a $500 PC, but I am saying that a $500-ish PC can meet my needs (while leaving the mac mini in the dust), so why should I buy a Mac Pro?
If you cvan convince me that a Mac Pro is worth the $$, I will reconsider...good luck...
Windows 7 still slows down over time (at least for me), User Account Control is an all or nothing affair, and will ask you if you want to run specific programs every time you launch them (if you clicked yes the last 10 times you launched the program, why would you click no the 11th time?), Windows Media Player opens in 32 bit mode by default, while Windows Media Center open in 64 bit mode (need separate codecs for each), document flip is a joke compared to expose, the control panel is a bloated mess, and search (in vista and 7) is much improved but it still doesn't match spotlight. Things I like are aero peak and the dock-like task bar. Security is improved, the libraries feature can be useful. Windows 7 is high on visual flair, much like the Zune, for the initial wow factor, but after that wears off it is still Windows at heart.
Mac Laptops have some specific hardware advantages including the multi-touch track pads (starting to come to some Windows machines), ambient light sensors with auto dimming lcd's and illuminated keyboards (so you don't burn your retina's at night), generally lighter weight and thinner while also being stronger and stiffer. I personally prefer Apple keyboards, I use one on my PC. imacs are good if you want an all in one PC but there is definitely a whole in their desktop product line. It's a hole I don't expect Apple to fill due to the low margins and dropping sales of most desktops.
I built a PC because Apple didn't have the desktop I wanted (HTPC/gaming rig), although I somewhat regret doing it. I feel I may have been better off with a console (which I have bought) and a mac mini (which is in the plans). I do enjoy tinkering with my PC though and my 3+ year MBP isn't running WoW too well anymore, so I guess the PC will always have its niche (games not available on a console).
Windows 7 still slows down over time (at least for me), User Account Control is an all or nothing affair, and will ask you if you want to run specific programs every time you launch them (if you clicked yes the last 10 times you launched the program, why would you click no the 11th time?), Windows Media Player opens in 32 bit mode by default, while Windows Media Center open in 64 bit mode (need separate codecs for each), document flip is a joke compared to expose, the control panel is a bloated mess, and search (in vista and 7) is much improved but it still doesn't match spotlight. Things I like are aero peak and the dock-like task bar. Security is improved, the libraries feature can be useful. Windows 7 is high on visual flair, much like the Zune, for the initial wow factor, but after that wears off it is still Windows at heart.
So in other words it's still Windows(TM.)
What else is new.
I checked this out on the site - there was no way I could see to get the professional version - only the Home version, which is lame.
Let me know if someone else figures it out. This is actually better than our school licensing prices. Great for running under Fusion if you are still using XP.
To the poster who said Snow Leopard is just an upgrade price, go do some research. It can be installed on any machine.
No, you can get Professional for $30 too. After you type in your email address and you get the confirmation email. There is a thing towards the bottom that says something like, Do you have to connect to [something]? If you click that you can get the Pro version.
I'm pretty sure I see 'Upgrade' in the upper-left hand corner of that Windows 7 box:
So you're right, this isn't comparable to Snow Leopard, which can do a clean install, is two versions (32bit and 64bit) in one, and is backward compatible with older software through Rosetta, whereas only Windows 7 Ultimate is able emulate Windows XP for XP apps. That's not factoring in all the other features in Ultimate that are arbitrarily left out of the Home Premium and Professional versions.
Windows 7 Professional can get Windows XP Mode, if that's what you mean. Windows 7, from what I read, is has good compatibility with 32-bit in the 64-bit version. Windows 7 can do an upgrade or a clean install. Most features that are in Ultimate don't matter to most users, I've never seen anyone recommend to get the Ultimate version. Pro or Home Premium or sufficient for most.
I personally never stray from OS X, but my fiance is a teacher and the grading software the school provides of course only runs on windows. Just an example of a real-world need to have both OS's.
Good point DK, I hate it when people come here to post and assume that just because they have no need for something no one else should either. I'm in the same boat as you and have a few cases where I have to run Windows end of story. Thanks to AI for posting this story so I can grab a copy myself.
--Dave
"The offer applies to the Home Premium and Professional versions of Windows 7. Students are allowed to purchase one copy of either from Microsoft's online store. Similar offers are available in the U.K, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Korea and Mexico."
Does anyone know where to install? I do want to install Win7 on my daughters Acer because we have never been able to get Vista to do much but stop functioning all together.
Cheers,
D.
limited time offer
they put a requirement of at least a certain number of credit hours and a campus based email
it is download only. or pay us more for a disk to have as well
you can have EITHER 32 or 64 but not both
well i guess it is something
Just checked, my boy's can't get the same deal since they are in high school. It's interesting to me that the deal does not go down to the pre-college level, or maybe Microsoft thinks that they are either already hooked or too far away from a purchase.
to be fair, Apple's student discount is only college also
I checked this out on the site - there was no way I could see to get the professional version - only the Home version, which is lame.
Let me know if someone else figures it out. This is actually better than our school licensing prices. Great for running under Fusion if you are still using XP.
To the poster who said Snow Leopard is just an upgrade price, go do some research. It can be installed on any machine.
Except for the machines made by the following:
HP Compaq
Dell
Gateway
Lenovo/ IBM
VoodooPC
Alienware
AsusTek
Acer
Sony
Toshiba
Panasonic
Fujistu
Hitachi
Sharp
Samsung
Systemax
Wyse Technologies
Yourself
and so on and so forth.
Also, the license attached to the software is NOT academic. Once you purchase Windows 7 through this program, it's yours for good. Getting professional is done through clicking the link asking if you need to join your college's domain. Probably not the simplest thing ever, but Microsoft makes you use your brain.
I'm new here to the forums, and I would like to provide a balanced, well thought out counterpoint to the popularity of Apple products. No hate here, just contrarianism.
I actually like that it's a download and not a disk. You can purchase the disk for an extra $13, but it's whatever. $40 or so for a complete operating system is a great deal, and as a student, I think that Windows is a better OS for school, at least for now. OneNote and the extra physical security features of PC's (fingerprint readers, etc.) make life a little easier. Windows Media Center pretty much justifies the price of Windows, if you ask me.
Looking forward to more :P
At least MS did SOMETHING right!
Sort of. If they were smart, they'd scrap the plans for all the versions and sell the ultimate version to everyone (as just win 7) for that $29.
That's something many are unaware of. Once you graduate and want to use it, even to teach say, you have to pay the full price ( Home and Student editions don't cover teachers). Of course many places have site licenses but if you don't fall under that setup you want to be careful before locking yourself into software. This is, of course, the great appeal of open source software.
pmcd
That's false. If you're a subscriber of the MSDN AA program you can use the software you've obtained via the program for the rest of your life. At least that's the situation in Europe