This depends how you define "failure" of course. The Apple TV sells quite well and despite the opinion of some techs and forum pundits could not really be called a "failure." It sells, it makes money, it gets updated, etc...
Really? You have access to sales figures then that no one else has except at Apple? I doubt it. They have never been released so you can not make that statement. We've been told they were selling 2 or 3 times as were originally but that statment meens nothing unless you have a hard figure. For all intents and purposes you surely can not call it a success. It has been in production now for over 3 years yet is still considered a "hobby"? Most have never even heard of it. They think it's an actual TV whenever its mentioned. Blu-ray on the other hand has been flying off shelves both last and this year and now features many of the Apple TV's exact same features: wireless, youtube, movie rentals, pics, etc. Yet a blu-ray player can now be had for under $200 - check Amazon.
The Apple TV can only be considered a success for Apple in that it requires that you constantly spend more money in Apple's iTunes machine and nowhere else. The design of the menus even puts all you own music , video, movies files at the bottom of the list.
You could say the exact same thing about any jukebox in any bar- "it makes money, it gets updated"...
I hate to be crude but Microsoft needs to get off of Apple's balls for once. They have been making tablet software for years and its been a complete failure and now they're waiting for Apple to come out with their tablet first? I wonder why? Could it be that they are waiting to copy whatever Apple does but on a far less classy and crappier scale? Oh Redmond, how I loathe you!
not to be snarky, but duh...
of course ms is waiting for apple to release it first, to (make a bad) copy...
Just curious- but who exactly are these tablets marketed for? They're going to be too expensive for students. Will people want/need both a laptop and a tablet? It's looking more and more like a niche market. How many devices do people need? Is it the netbook market that will embrace a tablet @ 3 times the amount? Netbooks are so ingrained now in the public's consiousness as both cheap and efficient. I see them all over NY- all the time. It will be very interesting as to how this get played out.
I'll definitely get one if it has a full self functioning OS- no synching and can run intensive applications like the lowend MacBook can.
Just curious- but who exactly are these tablets marketed for? They're going to be too expensive for students. Will people want/need both a laptop and a tablet? It's looking more and more like a niche market. How many devices do people need? Is it the netbook market that will embrace a tablet @ 3 times the amount? Netbooks are so ingrained now in the public's consiousness as both cheap and efficient. I see them all over NY- all the time. It will be very interesting as to how this get played out.
I'll definitely get one if it has a full self functioning OS- no synching and can run intensive applications like the lowend MacBook can.
you should look into buying the origami experience
Really? You have access to sales figures then that no one else has except at Apple? I doubt it. They have never been released so you can not make that statement. We've been told they were selling 2 or 3 times as were originally but that statment meens nothing unless you have a hard figure. For all intents and purposes you surely can not call it a success....
And for the same reason you sight you can't really call it a failure. That's just faulty logic.
Closer to topic, maybe the tablet will be a great companion to the apple TV and change the game. I think it probably would. On topic, MS could probably make a decent tablet but it sounds like they aren't interested in anything other than licensing. Probably a good idea since hardware isn't really their strong suit.
And for the same reason you sight you can't really call it a failure. That's just faulty logic.
Closer to topic, maybe the tablet will be a great companion to the apple TV and change the game. I think it probably would. On topic, MS could probably make a decent tablet but it sounds like they aren't interested in anything other than licensing. Probably a good idea since hardware isn't really their strong suit.
Right - but where did I call it a failure?
Ok, the tablet could be used to make the Apple TV into a sandwich press- a panini melter.
Not made by MS of course, I believe I have heard Logitech.
MS keyboards and mice are advertising, their prices are subsidized. They are simply a way to get MS's brand on hardware items, good choice because they are between the user and the screen. "It's" still in production because it is not made by MS and partially funded by their advertising budget slush fund.
MS already getting out of the Zune business? That makes the prospects for a vibrant app ecosystem dimmer than ever. Buy a Zune now and know that it's probably going nowhere, or buy an iPod for the same price and know that the zillions of apps (and new OS features) will keep on coming.
Quite the contrary...
Buy a ZUNE HD now, and rest assured that it will be an integral part of a much lager media-centric ecosystem, that includes integration with the extremely successful X-BOX 360, as well as almost every other media platform they'll release in the foreseeable future.
"Microsoft would likely wait to show off the hardware until after Apple unveils its own long-rumored tablet device."
So they can copy form and functionality, of course.
MeTooSoft hard at work once again.
Really Now...
"Tablet PC refers to a product announced in 2001 by Microsoft, and defined by Microsoft to be a pen-enabled computer conforming to hardware specifications devised by Microsoft"
Good point about Ballmer. I think his strategy, such as it is, is more about salesmanship than delivering the products. But oddly enough, Microsoft has never been particularly good at salesmanship. Just look at their advertising campaigns. Has even one of them been even slightly memorable?
Ballmer doesn't look like a salesman which is a great clue. Salesmen have a clean, friendly, smart but not too smart look. Ballmer looks like a thug. Why does Ballmer look like a thug? - because it helps him achieve results.
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This depends how you define "failure" of course. The Apple TV sells quite well and despite the opinion of some techs and forum pundits could not really be called a "failure." It sells, it makes money, it gets updated, etc...
Really? You have access to sales figures then that no one else has except at Apple? I doubt it. They have never been released so you can not make that statement. We've been told they were selling 2 or 3 times as were originally but that statment meens nothing unless you have a hard figure. For all intents and purposes you surely can not call it a success. It has been in production now for over 3 years yet is still considered a "hobby"? Most have never even heard of it. They think it's an actual TV whenever its mentioned. Blu-ray on the other hand has been flying off shelves both last and this year and now features many of the Apple TV's exact same features: wireless, youtube, movie rentals, pics, etc. Yet a blu-ray player can now be had for under $200 - check Amazon.
The Apple TV can only be considered a success for Apple in that it requires that you constantly spend more money in Apple's iTunes machine and nowhere else. The design of the menus even puts all you own music , video, movies files at the bottom of the list.
You could say the exact same thing about any jukebox in any bar- "it makes money, it gets updated"...
The Boom Box also was not a failure in that it met the goals of it's design, it worked, and worked quite well actually.
It was extremely overpriced and the sound was mediocre at best- in other words a joke and a failure.
Clippy:
I see you want to creat a new document. Touch me to create one.
Touch me again.
That was great. Now touch me again.
Touch me again.
Touch me again.
I see you're having trouble. Just keep touching me.
LOL that was funny.....disturbing but funny.
By the second "touch me" I'd be smashing clippy not touching him.
I hate to be crude but Microsoft needs to get off of Apple's balls for once. They have been making tablet software for years and its been a complete failure and now they're waiting for Apple to come out with their tablet first? I wonder why? Could it be that they are waiting to copy whatever Apple does but on a far less classy and crappier scale? Oh Redmond, how I loathe you!
not to be snarky, but duh...
of course ms is waiting for apple to release it first, to (make a bad) copy...
And lest we forget, Origami, another raging success.
just let microsoft do something parasite-like...they go after apple's success to do yet another failed attempt at a tablet
i hope they keep ballmer as ceo for many more years, he's doing wonders
I'll definitely get one if it has a full self functioning OS- no synching and can run intensive applications like the lowend MacBook can.
Just curious- but who exactly are these tablets marketed for? They're going to be too expensive for students. Will people want/need both a laptop and a tablet? It's looking more and more like a niche market. How many devices do people need? Is it the netbook market that will embrace a tablet @ 3 times the amount? Netbooks are so ingrained now in the public's consiousness as both cheap and efficient. I see them all over NY- all the time. It will be very interesting as to how this get played out.
I'll definitely get one if it has a full self functioning OS- no synching and can run intensive applications like the lowend MacBook can.
you should look into buying the origami experience
it will be perfect for you to troll on this forum
Really? You have access to sales figures then that no one else has except at Apple? I doubt it. They have never been released so you can not make that statement. We've been told they were selling 2 or 3 times as were originally but that statment meens nothing unless you have a hard figure. For all intents and purposes you surely can not call it a success....
And for the same reason you sight you can't really call it a failure. That's just faulty logic.
Closer to topic, maybe the tablet will be a great companion to the apple TV and change the game. I think it probably would. On topic, MS could probably make a decent tablet but it sounds like they aren't interested in anything other than licensing. Probably a good idea since hardware isn't really their strong suit.
just let microsoft do something parasite-like...they go after apple's success to do yet another failed attempt at a tablet
i hope they keep ballmer as ceo for many more years, he's doing wonders
why would you want MS to fail and pose no threat to Apple? Wouldn't their success only drive Apple to make better products for you?
Unfortunately for MS, it won't actually arrive until 2013.
Flushed again.....
Clippy:
I see you want to creat a new document. Touch me to create one.
Touch me again.
That was great. Now touch me again.
Touch me again.
Touch me again.
I see you're having trouble. Just keep touching me.
Awesome just awesome.
And for the same reason you sight you can't really call it a failure. That's just faulty logic.
Closer to topic, maybe the tablet will be a great companion to the apple TV and change the game. I think it probably would. On topic, MS could probably make a decent tablet but it sounds like they aren't interested in anything other than licensing. Probably a good idea since hardware isn't really their strong suit.
Right - but where did I call it a failure?
Ok, the tablet could be used to make the Apple TV into a sandwich press- a panini melter.
Microsoft has only made one great piece of hardware. 10 years later, it's still in production.
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Not made by MS of course, I believe I have heard Logitech.
MS keyboards and mice are advertising, their prices are subsidized. They are simply a way to get MS's brand on hardware items, good choice because they are between the user and the screen. "It's" still in production because it is not made by MS and partially funded by their advertising budget slush fund.
Awesome just awesome.
yeah what an awesome, just AWESOME quote.
He forgot to add that the device will blue screen, catch on fire, then spit molten plastic into the eyes of the user.
MS already getting out of the Zune business? That makes the prospects for a vibrant app ecosystem dimmer than ever. Buy a Zune now and know that it's probably going nowhere, or buy an iPod for the same price and know that the zillions of apps (and new OS features) will keep on coming.
Quite the contrary...
Buy a ZUNE HD now, and rest assured that it will be an integral part of a much lager media-centric ecosystem, that includes integration with the extremely successful X-BOX 360, as well as almost every other media platform they'll release in the foreseeable future.
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you should look into buying the origami experience
it will be perfect for you to troll on this forum
You should- seems like you would enjoy it- makes you laugh so much. Or is that from too much Goofy Grape?
"Microsoft would likely wait to show off the hardware until after Apple unveils its own long-rumored tablet device."
So they can copy form and functionality, of course.
MeTooSoft hard at work once again.
Really Now...
"Tablet PC refers to a product announced in 2001 by Microsoft, and defined by Microsoft to be a pen-enabled computer conforming to hardware specifications devised by Microsoft"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC
I feel confident that Apple will make a good go of the Tablet Personal Computer, but they really are some 8 years late...
Good point about Ballmer. I think his strategy, such as it is, is more about salesmanship than delivering the products. But oddly enough, Microsoft has never been particularly good at salesmanship. Just look at their advertising campaigns. Has even one of them been even slightly memorable?
Ballmer doesn't look like a salesman which is a great clue. Salesmen have a clean, friendly, smart but not too smart look. Ballmer looks like a thug. Why does Ballmer look like a thug? - because it helps him achieve results.
Ballmer is a thug pretending to be a salesman.