Apple's credibility will depend on how Apple performs, not on how Win7 does ... if Win7 is any kind of improvement at all over Vista, and it's kinda hard not to be, then it will sell well. I'm still willing to bet we will see a lot of switchers coming to Mac, just based on what Mac is. We still have the best word of mouth thing going for us ... and that is very powerful.
Your right, when it comes to computing, I'm an idiot ... didn't start until I was in my late 50s. But I was smart enough to get something that was appropriate for someone who doesn't want to "know how it works", just as long as it does work. I also know how to tell the difference between "buying cheap" and "getting value". That's why my choice has been, and always will be a Mac, unless they give me a reason to change my mind.
And as for "Apple's 1980 attack plan" .... If it ain't broke, ... don't fix it.
You should never not want to know how something works. How can you make an educated opinion regarding Apple and Microsoft when you don't understand how all this works?
When you say things like Vista doesn't work and is fully of viruses clearly you are not speaking from experience and only going off what Ads tell you.
I haven't had a virus in I can't tell you how long and I don't even know when the last time a windows user has had a blue screen. It makes for good tv for people that are ignorant to the truth.
Your commenting on Vista vs Windows 7 and you haven't used either.
I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment about notebook users. Who on earth doesn't use a notebook some of the time? I work for IBM I use a notebook and doc station all the time.
I thought it was you who made a disparaging comment about people using there notebooks in Panera but it may have been someone else. If so, my apologises.
This note? "Windows 7 may cut into the momentum behind the Mac, but it alone is unlikely to reverse Apple's gains."
Well, that seems to be their bottom line answer as to whether Mac users should abandon Apple, their conclusion being, no, and that they probably won't, the preceding paragraph explaining why not. Perhaps you are clinging to the "may"? I imagine that was just an editorial bone thrown to Microsoft.
I'm not really sure what you hope to accomplish here. Clearly, Apple's ads have hit a raw nerve for you. Clearly, you are enamored with Microsoft. But, if you think your posts are going to convince people not to switch, or to switch back, you're sadly mistaken. People will keep switching, and the switching will continue to be overwhelmingly unidirectional. Apple offers a better product and Microsoft's glory days are over. Very probably, for the foreseeable future, Microsoft will retain it's dominance of the personal computer market, but Apple will continue to retain and grow a very healthy slice of that market. That's the reality these days.
But, the real problem for Microsoft isn't Apple, yet, they allow this to remain a huge distraction for them, probably out of ego and their belief that the personal computer industry belongs to them. Microsoft should just accept that they've lost the image war and that it's been won by Apple, a point obvious to all but the most die-hard Windows fans. Yes, many people and companies will continue to buy Windows PCs because of cost, and because it's perceived as good enough by them. This isn't a problem for Apple, they'll just keep syphoning off the cream and leave the rest to be fought over, which isn't a problem for Microsoft either because they aren't selling computers.
What Microsoft should be focused on right now is how to keep the other company ahead of them in the image war, Google, from eating their lunch, and all this ego driven focus on Apple is just a huge and pointless distraction for them. If they continue on their present course, I give them 10 years at the most until they are completely irrelevant, perhaps still running on cruise control off Windows and Office sales, but maybe not even left with that.
That doesn't make any sense. The most hardware configurations you have to deal with the more complex your OS has to be, do you get it?
Please tell me you know the difference between "quantity" and "quality". How do you think M$ OS changes from "Ultimate," (cough cough) to "Home Premium". (Hint) : It dumbs down, i.e. leaves stuff out. Mac OS gives everyone the "full meal deal", each and every time. Now, do you get it?
Windows users have never been as big into upgrading as Apple users. I am not sure why but that has always been the case and I expect it will be that way in the future. People tend to upgrade when they get a new system. However from what I read today Windows 7 preorders have been pretty amazing and that is expected to continue into 2010.
I run Vista x64 on all my windows systems and honestly I'm not in any hurry to move to Windows 7. Being in IT all my life one thing I learned a long time ago is never be one fo the people to rush to the store when something is first released. Vista really didn't because good until SP1. After SP1 I have had no issues. Cant really say that before SP1. However when Leopard came out I really had issues that that also. Wasn't until about version 3 I felt it was in good shape. Yet again my opinion and experience with both operating systems.
I will give Windows 7 about six months and then take another look at it. I am thinking of getting another Macbook pro maybe 13" this time so that will be my first Snow Leopard machine.
So what are the Corporate people (major core customer base for MS) and consumers( bought a computer 1-2 yrs old) going to do?
Absolutely correct, but designing an idea into a model that does, indeed, revolutionize the marketplace, something that all of your examples failed to do, well .... I, for one, would classify that as innovating .... even if that word might not be "appropriate".
Please tell me you know the difference between "quantity" and "quality". How do you think M$ OS changes from "Ultimate," (cough cough) to "Home Premium". (Hint) : It dumbs down, i.e. leaves stuff out. Mac OS gives everyone the "full meal deal", each and every time. Now, do you get it?
There is no use even posting. You have never used these products. When you have come back to me.
So what are the Corporate people (major core customer base for MS) and consumers( bought a computer 1-2 yrs old) going to do?
Right now my employer (15,000 employees) has begun testing the thousands of apps the company uses on Windows 7. Then, usually one business unit at a time, they'll deploy a new Windows 7 "image" specific for that business unit. It's possible that the first rollout will happen in about 18 months, but company-wide deployment will most likely take place in about 3 years.
So what are the Corporate people (major core customer base for MS) and consumers( bought a computer 1-2 yrs old) going to do?
If they have a computer 1-2 years old then they are most likely running Vista. If their computer is older they will simply work into Windows 7 via upgrading new systems. At IBM we swap workstations and notebooks more often then the average company we cycle out about ever 2 years. Most companies at least based on surveys go about every 5 years. So many of them will just go with Windows 7 when its time for them to buy a new system.
Right now I would say its hard to tell with the OS only being a day old. At the end of 2009 I would suspect we will have a better idea. Reading today the forcast is for 40 million units sold by end of 2009 and 117 million total in 2010. Only time will tell how accurate those numbers are, in any case MS reported some good numbers today.
At least in my opinion its a good sign that both Apple and MS are doing well. No matter what side of the fence someone falls on I will always feel that competition breeds innovation.
Right now my employer (15,000 employees) has begun testing the thousands of apps the company uses on Windows 7. Then, usually one business unit at a time, they'll deploy a new Windows 7 "image" specific for that business unit. It's possible that the first rollout will happen in about 18 months, but company-wide deployment will most likely take place in about 3 years.
Why didn?t they start testing it when the RC came out earlier this year. MS had to release it to prove that is wasn?t borked like Vista was from the start, even though Vista is just as stable as Win7. I would think many companies would have started doing testing then.
This note? "Windows 7 may cut into the momentum behind the Mac, but it alone is unlikely to reverse Apple's gains."
Well, that seems to be their bottom line answer as to whether Mac users should abandon Apple, their conclusion being, no, and that they probably won't, the preceding paragraph explaining why not. Perhaps you are clinging to the "may"? I imagine that was just an editorial bone thrown to Microsoft.
I'm not really sure what you hope to accomplish here. Clearly, Apple's ads have hit a raw nerve for you. Clearly, you are enamored with Microsoft. But, if you think your posts are going to convince people not to switch, or to switch back, you're sadly mistaken. People will keep switching, and the switching will continue to be overwhelmingly unidirectional. Apple offers a better product and Microsoft's glory days are over. Very probably, for the foreseeable future, Microsoft will retain it's dominance of the personal computer market, but Apple will continue to retain and grow a very healthy slice of that market. That's the reality these days.
But, the real problem for Microsoft isn't Apple, yet, they allow this to remain a huge distraction for them, probably out of ego and their belief that the personal computer industry belongs to them. Microsoft should just accept that they've lost the image war and that it's been won by Apple, a point obvious to all but the most die-hard Windows fans. Yes, many people and companies will continue to buy Windows PCs because of cost, and because it's perceived as good enough by them. This isn't a problem for Apple, they'll just keep syphoning off the cream and leave the rest to be fought over, which isn't a problem for Microsoft either because they aren't selling computers.
What Microsoft should be focused on right now is how to keep the other company ahead of them in the image war, Google, from eating their lunch, and all this ego driven focus on Apple is just a huge and pointless distraction for them. If they continue on their present course, I give them 10 years at the most until they are completely irrelevant, perhaps still running on cruise control off Windows and Office sales, but maybe not even left with that.
Its not a bottom line answer its a bullet item along with sevreal key points. Even SJ says the peronal computer belongs to MS. SJ said a while ago that MS one that battle a long time ago. That doesn't mean Apple cant do well in that arena and others like the iPod and iPhone.
This isn't a win all or lose all situation. You need to chill out. With the new Apple ads it appears they have far more of an ego problem then MS. Apple takes the approach if you cant look good try to make someone else look bad. Which never works and only look weak.
If they have a computer 1-2 years old then they are most likely running Vista. If their computer is older they will simply work into Windows 7 via upgrading new systems. At IBM we swap workstations and notebooks more often then the average company we cycle out about ever 2 years. Most companies at least based on surveys go about every 5 years. So many of them will just go with Windows 7 when its time for them to buy a new system.
Right now I would say its hard to tell with the OS only being a day old. At the end of 2009 I would suspect we will have a better idea. Reading today the forcast is for 40 million units sold by end of 2009 and 117 million total in 2010. Only time will tell how accurate those numbers are, in any case MS reported some good numbers today.
At least in my opinion its a good sign that both Apple and MS are doing well. No matter what side of the fence someone falls on I will always feel that competition breeds innovation.
Apple are having a great year, but MS (not including Windows 7) have slowed the decline, but I would not say MS are doing well or put that in same sentence as Apple.
When looking at fortune 500 Microsoft has 60420.0 (revenue in millions) and 17681.0 profit in millions and is ranked 35.
Yes, and GM is ranked 6th, and needed bailout $$$ to stay out of bankruptcy.
Ford (7th), Bank of America (11th) and Citibank (12th) ALL needed bailout $$ to stay alive ... I don't think I would hang my hat on that list. If your just going to toss numbers around ... Apple stock... 52 week low was 78.20 ... today's close ...204.53 ....M$ 52 week low was 14.87 .... today's close ...28.02
very very few things osx has over windows. and yea a mac isnt for me because im actually smart with my money and im not like the rest of society, i dont go around buying things that the tv tells me to buy. i work in retail and 90% of all customers are idiots. just because you see an ad on tv doesn't mean its a good product. when people come in to buy a mac, i talk them out of it.
Its not a bottom line answer its a bullet item along with sevreal key points. Even SJ says the peronal computer belongs to MS. SJ said a while ago that MS one that battle a long time ago. That doesn't mean Apple cant do well in that arena and others like the iPod and iPhone.
This isn't a win all or lose all situation. You need to chill out. With the new Apple ads it appears they have far more of an ego problem then MS. Apple takes the approach if you cant look good try to make someone else look bad. Which never works and only look weak.
In business you look for your competitors weak points and exploit them. MS weak points are being exploited by Apple in very clever, well thought ads. Now I am not sure if there are appropriate , but MS LONG TIME ago set the mark for attacking competitors in worse ways then Apple.
Probably does not make it right, but MS pushed their own ads and actually named Apple in their ads, which is BIG NO NO in basic marketing, do not highlight another company and give them ad time.
very very few things osx has over windows. and yea a mac isnt for me because im actually smart with my money and im not like the rest of society, i dont go around buying things that the tv tells me to buy. i work in retail and 90% of all customers are idiots. just because you see an ad on tv doesn't mean its a good product. when people come in to buy a mac, i talk them out of it.
You better hang on to this job, you're not likely to find a more stupid boss!
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Apple's credibility will depend on how Apple performs, not on how Win7 does ... if Win7 is any kind of improvement at all over Vista, and it's kinda hard not to be, then it will sell well. I'm still willing to bet we will see a lot of switchers coming to Mac, just based on what Mac is. We still have the best word of mouth thing going for us ... and that is very powerful.
And if they no longer trust that word of mouth?
Your right, when it comes to computing, I'm an idiot ... didn't start until I was in my late 50s. But I was smart enough to get something that was appropriate for someone who doesn't want to "know how it works", just as long as it does work. I also know how to tell the difference between "buying cheap" and "getting value". That's why my choice has been, and always will be a Mac, unless they give me a reason to change my mind.
And as for "Apple's 1980 attack plan" .... If it ain't broke, ... don't fix it.
You should never not want to know how something works. How can you make an educated opinion regarding Apple and Microsoft when you don't understand how all this works?
When you say things like Vista doesn't work and is fully of viruses clearly you are not speaking from experience and only going off what Ads tell you.
I haven't had a virus in I can't tell you how long and I don't even know when the last time a windows user has had a blue screen. It makes for good tv for people that are ignorant to the truth.
Your commenting on Vista vs Windows 7 and you haven't used either.
I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment about notebook users. Who on earth doesn't use a notebook some of the time? I work for IBM I use a notebook and doc station all the time.
I thought it was you who made a disparaging comment about people using there notebooks in Panera but it may have been someone else. If so, my apologises.
Here is a good review I saw today about Windows 7. Hits on some good point of Windows but also has an interesting last note about Apple.
http://www.usnews.com/money/business...windows-7.html
This note? "Windows 7 may cut into the momentum behind the Mac, but it alone is unlikely to reverse Apple's gains."
Well, that seems to be their bottom line answer as to whether Mac users should abandon Apple, their conclusion being, no, and that they probably won't, the preceding paragraph explaining why not. Perhaps you are clinging to the "may"? I imagine that was just an editorial bone thrown to Microsoft.
I'm not really sure what you hope to accomplish here. Clearly, Apple's ads have hit a raw nerve for you. Clearly, you are enamored with Microsoft. But, if you think your posts are going to convince people not to switch, or to switch back, you're sadly mistaken. People will keep switching, and the switching will continue to be overwhelmingly unidirectional. Apple offers a better product and Microsoft's glory days are over. Very probably, for the foreseeable future, Microsoft will retain it's dominance of the personal computer market, but Apple will continue to retain and grow a very healthy slice of that market. That's the reality these days.
But, the real problem for Microsoft isn't Apple, yet, they allow this to remain a huge distraction for them, probably out of ego and their belief that the personal computer industry belongs to them. Microsoft should just accept that they've lost the image war and that it's been won by Apple, a point obvious to all but the most die-hard Windows fans. Yes, many people and companies will continue to buy Windows PCs because of cost, and because it's perceived as good enough by them. This isn't a problem for Apple, they'll just keep syphoning off the cream and leave the rest to be fought over, which isn't a problem for Microsoft either because they aren't selling computers.
What Microsoft should be focused on right now is how to keep the other company ahead of them in the image war, Google, from eating their lunch, and all this ego driven focus on Apple is just a huge and pointless distraction for them. If they continue on their present course, I give them 10 years at the most until they are completely irrelevant, perhaps still running on cruise control off Windows and Office sales, but maybe not even left with that.
That doesn't make any sense. The most hardware configurations you have to deal with the more complex your OS has to be, do you get it?
Please tell me you know the difference between "quantity" and "quality". How do you think M$ OS changes from "Ultimate," (cough cough) to "Home Premium". (Hint) : It dumbs down, i.e. leaves stuff out. Mac OS gives everyone the "full meal deal", each and every time. Now, do you get it?
Windows users have never been as big into upgrading as Apple users. I am not sure why but that has always been the case and I expect it will be that way in the future. People tend to upgrade when they get a new system. However from what I read today Windows 7 preorders have been pretty amazing and that is expected to continue into 2010.
I run Vista x64 on all my windows systems and honestly I'm not in any hurry to move to Windows 7. Being in IT all my life one thing I learned a long time ago is never be one fo the people to rush to the store when something is first released. Vista really didn't because good until SP1. After SP1 I have had no issues. Cant really say that before SP1. However when Leopard came out I really had issues that that also. Wasn't until about version 3 I felt it was in good shape. Yet again my opinion and experience with both operating systems.
I will give Windows 7 about six months and then take another look at it. I am thinking of getting another Macbook pro maybe 13" this time so that will be my first Snow Leopard machine.
So what are the Corporate people (major core customer base for MS) and consumers( bought a computer 1-2 yrs old) going to do?
Popularizing an idea doesn't mean innovation.
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Absolutely correct, but designing an idea into a model that does, indeed, revolutionize the marketplace, something that all of your examples failed to do, well .... I, for one, would classify that as innovating .... even if that word might not be "appropriate".
according to wikipedia
Apple announced the iPhone on January 9, 2007 - iphone
It was first announced on 12 December 2006 - prada phone
Prada sold how many phones?
Apple sold how many iPhones?
I rest my case.
Please tell me you know the difference between "quantity" and "quality". How do you think M$ OS changes from "Ultimate," (cough cough) to "Home Premium". (Hint) : It dumbs down, i.e. leaves stuff out. Mac OS gives everyone the "full meal deal", each and every time. Now, do you get it?
There is no use even posting. You have never used these products. When you have come back to me.
So what are the Corporate people (major core customer base for MS) and consumers( bought a computer 1-2 yrs old) going to do?
Right now my employer (15,000 employees) has begun testing the thousands of apps the company uses on Windows 7. Then, usually one business unit at a time, they'll deploy a new Windows 7 "image" specific for that business unit. It's possible that the first rollout will happen in about 18 months, but company-wide deployment will most likely take place in about 3 years.
So what are the Corporate people (major core customer base for MS) and consumers( bought a computer 1-2 yrs old) going to do?
If they have a computer 1-2 years old then they are most likely running Vista. If their computer is older they will simply work into Windows 7 via upgrading new systems. At IBM we swap workstations and notebooks more often then the average company we cycle out about ever 2 years. Most companies at least based on surveys go about every 5 years. So many of them will just go with Windows 7 when its time for them to buy a new system.
Right now I would say its hard to tell with the OS only being a day old. At the end of 2009 I would suspect we will have a better idea. Reading today the forcast is for 40 million units sold by end of 2009 and 117 million total in 2010. Only time will tell how accurate those numbers are, in any case MS reported some good numbers today.
At least in my opinion its a good sign that both Apple and MS are doing well. No matter what side of the fence someone falls on I will always feel that competition breeds innovation.
Prada sold how many phones?
Apple sold how many iPhones?
I rest my case.
Do you own an iPhone?
Right now my employer (15,000 employees) has begun testing the thousands of apps the company uses on Windows 7. Then, usually one business unit at a time, they'll deploy a new Windows 7 "image" specific for that business unit. It's possible that the first rollout will happen in about 18 months, but company-wide deployment will most likely take place in about 3 years.
Why didn?t they start testing it when the RC came out earlier this year. MS had to release it to prove that is wasn?t borked like Vista was from the start, even though Vista is just as stable as Win7. I would think many companies would have started doing testing then.
This note? "Windows 7 may cut into the momentum behind the Mac, but it alone is unlikely to reverse Apple's gains."
Well, that seems to be their bottom line answer as to whether Mac users should abandon Apple, their conclusion being, no, and that they probably won't, the preceding paragraph explaining why not. Perhaps you are clinging to the "may"? I imagine that was just an editorial bone thrown to Microsoft.
I'm not really sure what you hope to accomplish here. Clearly, Apple's ads have hit a raw nerve for you. Clearly, you are enamored with Microsoft. But, if you think your posts are going to convince people not to switch, or to switch back, you're sadly mistaken. People will keep switching, and the switching will continue to be overwhelmingly unidirectional. Apple offers a better product and Microsoft's glory days are over. Very probably, for the foreseeable future, Microsoft will retain it's dominance of the personal computer market, but Apple will continue to retain and grow a very healthy slice of that market. That's the reality these days.
But, the real problem for Microsoft isn't Apple, yet, they allow this to remain a huge distraction for them, probably out of ego and their belief that the personal computer industry belongs to them. Microsoft should just accept that they've lost the image war and that it's been won by Apple, a point obvious to all but the most die-hard Windows fans. Yes, many people and companies will continue to buy Windows PCs because of cost, and because it's perceived as good enough by them. This isn't a problem for Apple, they'll just keep syphoning off the cream and leave the rest to be fought over, which isn't a problem for Microsoft either because they aren't selling computers.
What Microsoft should be focused on right now is how to keep the other company ahead of them in the image war, Google, from eating their lunch, and all this ego driven focus on Apple is just a huge and pointless distraction for them. If they continue on their present course, I give them 10 years at the most until they are completely irrelevant, perhaps still running on cruise control off Windows and Office sales, but maybe not even left with that.
Its not a bottom line answer its a bullet item along with sevreal key points. Even SJ says the peronal computer belongs to MS. SJ said a while ago that MS one that battle a long time ago. That doesn't mean Apple cant do well in that arena and others like the iPod and iPhone.
This isn't a win all or lose all situation. You need to chill out. With the new Apple ads it appears they have far more of an ego problem then MS. Apple takes the approach if you cant look good try to make someone else look bad. Which never works and only look weak.
If they have a computer 1-2 years old then they are most likely running Vista. If their computer is older they will simply work into Windows 7 via upgrading new systems. At IBM we swap workstations and notebooks more often then the average company we cycle out about ever 2 years. Most companies at least based on surveys go about every 5 years. So many of them will just go with Windows 7 when its time for them to buy a new system.
Right now I would say its hard to tell with the OS only being a day old. At the end of 2009 I would suspect we will have a better idea. Reading today the forcast is for 40 million units sold by end of 2009 and 117 million total in 2010. Only time will tell how accurate those numbers are, in any case MS reported some good numbers today.
At least in my opinion its a good sign that both Apple and MS are doing well. No matter what side of the fence someone falls on I will always feel that competition breeds innovation.
Apple are having a great year, but MS (not including Windows 7) have slowed the decline, but I would not say MS are doing well or put that in same sentence as Apple.
http://education.wallstreetsurvivor....3-2009-Results
I will wait for MS Q4 2009 Q4 and 2010 Q1 to see if Windows 7 has turned the tide for MS.
When looking at fortune 500 Microsoft has 60420.0 (revenue in millions) and 17681.0 profit in millions and is ranked 35.
Yes, and GM is ranked 6th, and needed bailout $$$ to stay out of bankruptcy.
Ford (7th), Bank of America (11th) and Citibank (12th) ALL needed bailout $$ to stay alive ... I don't think I would hang my hat on that list. If your just going to toss numbers around ... Apple stock... 52 week low was 78.20 ... today's close ...204.53 ....M$ 52 week low was 14.87 .... today's close ...28.02
If I were you I'd stay away from the "numbers".
very very few things osx has over windows. and yea a mac isnt for me because im actually smart with my money and im not like the rest of society, i dont go around buying things that the tv tells me to buy. i work in retail and 90% of all customers are idiots. just because you see an ad on tv doesn't mean its a good product. when people come in to buy a mac, i talk them out of it.
Obviously not a (Mac) genius!
Its not a bottom line answer its a bullet item along with sevreal key points. Even SJ says the peronal computer belongs to MS. SJ said a while ago that MS one that battle a long time ago. That doesn't mean Apple cant do well in that arena and others like the iPod and iPhone.
This isn't a win all or lose all situation. You need to chill out. With the new Apple ads it appears they have far more of an ego problem then MS. Apple takes the approach if you cant look good try to make someone else look bad. Which never works and only look weak.
In business you look for your competitors weak points and exploit them. MS weak points are being exploited by Apple in very clever, well thought ads. Now I am not sure if there are appropriate , but MS LONG TIME ago set the mark for attacking competitors in worse ways then Apple.
Probably does not make it right, but MS pushed their own ads and actually named Apple in their ads, which is BIG NO NO in basic marketing, do not highlight another company and give them ad time.
very very few things osx has over windows. and yea a mac isnt for me because im actually smart with my money and im not like the rest of society, i dont go around buying things that the tv tells me to buy. i work in retail and 90% of all customers are idiots. just because you see an ad on tv doesn't mean its a good product. when people come in to buy a mac, i talk them out of it.
You better hang on to this job, you're not likely to find a more stupid boss!
Should I give you the list of software you cant run on a Mac. Not sure the AI server could hold all that info.
You keep hinting of all your knowledge, but you don't show us... huh?