There is no use even posting. You have never used these products. When you have come back to me.
"There is no use even posting" .... Correct, like M$, you're fighting a losing battle!
"You have never used these products." .... Fail
"When you have come back to me." .... I'm baaaack ... and please insert comma in appropriate place! (after "have") just so people won't get the wrong idea, ... "not that there's anything wrong with that"
Funny, I've never had a single problem with Vista, and I push it pretty hard with 3D Studio Max, Maya, ZBrush, and Photoshop.
It 'just works'. Always has.
Curious.
I guess people going back in hordes to XP and Vista's status as the most hated and poorly crafted operating system in recent memory was just a figment of people's imaginations.
Even Bill Gates hated it and all but admitted it point blank right on camera.
You're fine with Vista, which must mean everyone else is.
Try thinking outside of yourself and you'll see it's a completely different situation. You do, of course, know that there is such a thing as the "average user", who forms the vast bulk of the market. If it's no good for the average user . . . it's no good.
The latest from Daring Fireball. As usual, Gruber nails it:
★ Herd Mentality
Conformity is a powerful instinct. There?s safety in numbers. You have to be different to be better, but different is scary.
So of course there?s some degree of herd mentality in every industry. But I think it?s more pronounced, to a pathological degree, in the PC hardware industry. It was at the root of long-standing punditry holding that Apple should license the Mac OS to other PC makers, or that Apple should dump Mac OS and make Windows PCs. On the surface, those two old canards seem contradictory ? one arguing that Apple should be a hardware company, the other arguing that it should be a software company. But at their root they?re the same argument: that Apple should stop being different, and either act just like other PC makers (and sell computers running Windows) or else act just like Microsoft (and sell licenses to its OS).
No one argues those two points any more. But it?s the same herd mentality that led to the rash of Apple needs to get in the ?netbook? game punditry that I claim-checked earlier today. I could have linked to a dozen others. The argument, though, is the same: everyone else is making netbooks, so Apple should, too. Why? Because everyone else is.
I think there?s a simple reason why the herd mentality is worse in the PC industry: Microsoft. In fact, I think it used to be worse. A decade ago the entire computing industry ? all facets of it ? was dominated by a herd mentality that boiled down to Get behind Microsoft and follow their lead, or else you?ll get stomped. That?s no longer true in application software. The web, and Google in particular, have put an end to that.
But the one area where Microsoft still reigns supreme is in PC operating systems. PC hardware makers are crippled. They can?t stand apart from the herd even if they want to. Their OS choices are: (a) the same version of Windows that every other PC maker includes; or (b) the same open source Linux distributions that every other PC maker could include but which no customers want to buy.1
Apple?s ability to produce innovative hardware is inextricably intertwined with its ability to produce innovative software. The iPhone is an even better example than the Mac.
It?s not just that Apple is different among computer makers. It?s that Apple is the only one that even can be different, because it?s the only one that has its own OS. Part of the industry-wide herd mentality is an assumption that no one else can make a computer OS ? that anyone can make a computer but only Microsoft can make an OS. It should be embarrassing to companies like Dell and Sony, with deep pockets and strong brand names, that they?re stuck selling computers with the same copy of Windows installed as the no-name brands.
And then there?s HP, a company with one of the best names and proudest histories in the industry. Apple made news this week for the design and tech specs of its all-new iMacs, which start at $1199. HP made news this week for unveiling a Windows 7 launch bundle at Best Buy that includes a desktop PC and two laptops, all for $1199. That might be great for Microsoft, but how is it good for HP that their brand now stands for bargain basement prices?
Operating systems aren?t mere components like RAM or CPUs; they?re the single most important part of the computing experience. Other than Apple, there?s not a single PC maker that controls the most important aspect of its computers. Imagine how much better the industry would be if there were more than one computer maker trying to move the state of the art forward.
What is there to show? Do you want to know my backround. I am 42 years old, I have been a systems programmer with IBM since the age of 20. So I have 22 years of experience in IT.
If you want my full resume and W2 form I will have to get to know you a bit better. In any case at least when I make a statement about a product I make sure I have at least used it so I can give at least a somewhat intelligent opinion.
If you are going to bash Window or anything else for that matter you should at least have some knowledge of the product and not base an opinion on what others say.
Saying how great an iPhone is when you don't own one makes no sense. Bashing Vista or Win 7 when you have never used it makes no sense.
Not sure what anyone here including myself needs to "show" you.
Take a "chill pill" ... I was referring to this from one of your earlier posts.
"Should I give you the list of software you cant run on a Mac. Not sure the AI server could hold all that info."
I should have included that in my post but did not, ...my bad. Between spelling mistakes and forgetting info, I think it is time for me to leave, but you can still list all that software if you like. I'll see it tomorrow. This time I'm really out.
There aren't any trolls on this forum Soul and I may not agree on certain subjects but he appears to be well educated and I respect his opinion even when we don't agree. That goes for any other member as long as we don't attack each other.
People can disagree and not be trolls. I am willing to bet I have far more Apple product in my house then you do but that doesn't mean I am blindly loyal. I have also worked for IBM for 22 years and guess who made chips for Apple before intel. So I have worked with Mac computer for decades.
So just because someone isnt a koolaid drinker doesn't mean that ar trolls. On the flip side not every Apple fan is a fanboy.
I never named any trolls, but I'll take your word for it.
Yes, and GM is ranked 6th, and needed bailout $$$ to stay out of bankruptcy.
Ford (7th), Bank of America (11th) and Citibank (12th) ALL needed bailout $$ to stay alive ... I don't think I would hang my hat on that list. If your just going to toss numbers around ... Apple stock... 52 week low was 78.20 ... today's close ...204.53 ....M$ 52 week low was 14.87 .... today's close ...28.02
If I were you I'd stay away from the "numbers".
We weren't going by revenue we were looking at revenue to profit ratio. Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit. Go back and look at the post.
We weren't going by revenue we were looking at revenue to profit ratio. Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit. Go back and look at the post.
"The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion." (taken from Apple quarterly report on Apple website.)
I'm guessing that even you would have to agree that " net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion" (3 months, in case you missed it) qualifies that to be better than: "Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit." .... Like I said, if I were you I would stay from "the numbers".
"The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion." (taken from Apple quarterly report on Apple website.
I'm guessing that even you would have to agree that " net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion" (3 months, in case you missed it) qualifies that to be better than: "Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit." .... Like I said, if I were you I would stay from "the numbers".
Your going by one quarters profit My numbers were over a longer period of time. However we can address Q4 numbers once Windows 7 gets rolling. I never said Apples numbers weren't good however MS still has alot more in the bank
Your going by one quarters profit My numbers were over a longer period of time. However we can address Q4 numbers once Windows 7 gets rolling. I never said Apples numbers weren't good however MS still has alot more in the bank
Actually, for over a year now MS has had less cash reserves than Apple.
I can?t find any newer info, but losing your reserves is not something you wish to advertise. I?m sure it can be figured out if you look at their quarterlies. Apple?s reserves have been growing fast. I think they now have between $35-40B on reserve.
Neither company is hurting. MS will selling more many more copies of Win7. With less than 5% worldwide marketshare, MS should ship 18x more copies of Win7 on PCs than Apple ships SL on Macs, even while breaking records yet again. This is not an unexpected outcome..
While MS is not hurting, there financial growth is pretty stagnant. Shareholders do not like that. Building too fast is eradicate and eventual plateau or slowing will scare shareholders. Apple is smart to build carefully with moderated growth year-over-year.
I predict that wihin two years Apple?s Market Cap valuation will be higher than MS?. They beat out Google just a couple days ago.
"The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion." (taken from Apple quarterly report on Apple website.
I'm guessing that even you would have to agree that " net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion" (3 months, in case you missed it) qualifies that to be better than: "Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit." .... Like I said, if I were you I would stay from "the numbers".
Microsoft posted a quarterly profit of $3.57 billion so I don't understand the point of throwing around Apple numbers. Like you said the numbers mean nothing. Throwing them around really isn't going to get anybody anywhere
Microsoft posted a quarterly profit of $3.57 billion so I don't understand the point of throwing around Apple numbers. Like you said the numbers mean nothing. Throwing them around really isn't going to get anybody anywhere
On point is that MSFT?s revenue and profit has been falling while AAPL?s has been rising. I?m certain the Holiday quarter will be record breaking in many ways, but don?t don?t count Apple out simply because it?s sells it?s OS differently than Microsoft. Apple?s quarterly gross revenue could easily beat MS? within a year. And even though software has a higher profit margins, if that trend continues, then even their net profit could be higher than MS?.
On point is that MSFT?s revenue and profit has been falling while AAPL?s has been rising. I?m certain the Holiday quarter will be record breaking in many ways, but don?t don?t count Apple out simply because it?s sells it?s OS differently than Microsoft. Apple?s quarterly gross revenue could easily beat MS? within a year. And even though software has a higher profit margins, if that trend continues, then even their net profit could be higher than MS?.
Even in decline they still manage to stay way head of Apple.
They aren?t staying way ahead. Apple is pushing toward them while they are dropping lower. The gap has been closing for years now. After a couple quarters we?ll see if Win7 is the success they need to widen that gap.
Even in decline they still manage to stay way head of Apple.
When your OS is licensed to run on every POS PC made by every manufacturer under the sun, that'll tend to happen.
It should be embarrassing to companies like Dell and Sony, with deep pockets and strong brand names, that they’re stuck selling computers with the same copy of Windows installed as the no-name brands. That's all they have: Windows. No way to differentiate themselves.
And then there’s HP, a company with one of the best names and proudest histories in the industry. Apple made news this week for the design and tech specs of its all-new iMacs, which start at $1199. HP made news this week for unveiling a Windows 7 launch bundle at Best Buy that includes a desktop PC and two laptops, all for $1199. That might be great for Microsoft, but how is it good for HP that their brand now stands for bargain basement prices? But I digress . . .
Someone once told me to "believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see". (and he wasn't even talking about these boards) .... Thank God for the highestusersatisfaction surveys in the industry, eh?
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There is no use even posting. You have never used these products. When you have come back to me.
"There is no use even posting" .... Correct, like M$, you're fighting a losing battle!
"You have never used these products." .... Fail
"When you have come back to me." .... I'm baaaack ... and please insert comma in appropriate place!
Do you own an iPhone?
Do you own a horse?
Funny, I've never had a single problem with Vista, and I push it pretty hard with 3D Studio Max, Maya, ZBrush, and Photoshop.
It 'just works'. Always has.
Curious.
I guess people going back in hordes to XP and Vista's status as the most hated and poorly crafted operating system in recent memory was just a figment of people's imaginations.
Even Bill Gates hated it and all but admitted it point blank right on camera.
You're fine with Vista, which must mean everyone else is.
Try thinking outside of yourself and you'll see it's a completely different situation. You do, of course, know that there is such a thing as the "average user", who forms the vast bulk of the market. If it's no good for the average user . . . it's no good.
★ Herd Mentality
Conformity is a powerful instinct. There?s safety in numbers. You have to be different to be better, but different is scary.
So of course there?s some degree of herd mentality in every industry. But I think it?s more pronounced, to a pathological degree, in the PC hardware industry. It was at the root of long-standing punditry holding that Apple should license the Mac OS to other PC makers, or that Apple should dump Mac OS and make Windows PCs. On the surface, those two old canards seem contradictory ? one arguing that Apple should be a hardware company, the other arguing that it should be a software company. But at their root they?re the same argument: that Apple should stop being different, and either act just like other PC makers (and sell computers running Windows) or else act just like Microsoft (and sell licenses to its OS).
No one argues those two points any more. But it?s the same herd mentality that led to the rash of Apple needs to get in the ?netbook? game punditry that I claim-checked earlier today. I could have linked to a dozen others. The argument, though, is the same: everyone else is making netbooks, so Apple should, too. Why? Because everyone else is.
I think there?s a simple reason why the herd mentality is worse in the PC industry: Microsoft. In fact, I think it used to be worse. A decade ago the entire computing industry ? all facets of it ? was dominated by a herd mentality that boiled down to Get behind Microsoft and follow their lead, or else you?ll get stomped. That?s no longer true in application software. The web, and Google in particular, have put an end to that.
But the one area where Microsoft still reigns supreme is in PC operating systems. PC hardware makers are crippled. They can?t stand apart from the herd even if they want to. Their OS choices are: (a) the same version of Windows that every other PC maker includes; or (b) the same open source Linux distributions that every other PC maker could include but which no customers want to buy.1
Apple?s ability to produce innovative hardware is inextricably intertwined with its ability to produce innovative software. The iPhone is an even better example than the Mac.
It?s not just that Apple is different among computer makers. It?s that Apple is the only one that even can be different, because it?s the only one that has its own OS. Part of the industry-wide herd mentality is an assumption that no one else can make a computer OS ? that anyone can make a computer but only Microsoft can make an OS. It should be embarrassing to companies like Dell and Sony, with deep pockets and strong brand names, that they?re stuck selling computers with the same copy of Windows installed as the no-name brands.
And then there?s HP, a company with one of the best names and proudest histories in the industry. Apple made news this week for the design and tech specs of its all-new iMacs, which start at $1199. HP made news this week for unveiling a Windows 7 launch bundle at Best Buy that includes a desktop PC and two laptops, all for $1199. That might be great for Microsoft, but how is it good for HP that their brand now stands for bargain basement prices?
Operating systems aren?t mere components like RAM or CPUs; they?re the single most important part of the computing experience. Other than Apple, there?s not a single PC maker that controls the most important aspect of its computers. Imagine how much better the industry would be if there were more than one computer maker trying to move the state of the art forward.
What is there to show? Do you want to know my backround. I am 42 years old, I have been a systems programmer with IBM since the age of 20. So I have 22 years of experience in IT.
If you want my full resume and W2 form I will have to get to know you a bit better. In any case at least when I make a statement about a product I make sure I have at least used it so I can give at least a somewhat intelligent opinion.
If you are going to bash Window or anything else for that matter you should at least have some knowledge of the product and not base an opinion on what others say.
Saying how great an iPhone is when you don't own one makes no sense. Bashing Vista or Win 7 when you have never used it makes no sense.
Not sure what anyone here including myself needs to "show" you.
Take a "chill pill" ... I was referring to this from one of your earlier posts.
"Should I give you the list of software you cant run on a Mac. Not sure the AI server could hold all that info."
I should have included that in my post but did not, ...my bad. Between spelling mistakes and forgetting info, I think it is time for me to leave, but you can still list all that software if you like. I'll see it tomorrow. This time I'm really out.
There aren't any trolls on this forum Soul and I may not agree on certain subjects but he appears to be well educated and I respect his opinion even when we don't agree. That goes for any other member as long as we don't attack each other.
People can disagree and not be trolls. I am willing to bet I have far more Apple product in my house then you do but that doesn't mean I am blindly loyal. I have also worked for IBM for 22 years and guess who made chips for Apple before intel. So I have worked with Mac computer for decades.
So just because someone isnt a koolaid drinker doesn't mean that ar trolls. On the flip side not every Apple fan is a fanboy.
I never named any trolls, but I'll take your word for it.
Yes, and GM is ranked 6th, and needed bailout $$$ to stay out of bankruptcy.
Ford (7th), Bank of America (11th) and Citibank (12th) ALL needed bailout $$ to stay alive ... I don't think I would hang my hat on that list. If your just going to toss numbers around ... Apple stock... 52 week low was 78.20 ... today's close ...204.53 ....M$ 52 week low was 14.87 .... today's close ...28.02
If I were you I'd stay away from the "numbers".
We weren't going by revenue we were looking at revenue to profit ratio. Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit. Go back and look at the post.
sorta like all your posts you tool....
Get a life loser
Do you own a horse?
No I don't then again I don't pretend to own one and I don't pretend to be an expert in horses.
We weren't going by revenue we were looking at revenue to profit ratio. Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit. Go back and look at the post.
"The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion." (taken from Apple quarterly report on Apple website.)
I'm guessing that even you would have to agree that " net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion" (3 months, in case you missed it) qualifies that to be better than: "Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit." .... Like I said, if I were you I would stay from "the numbers".
No I don't then again I don't pretend to own one and I don't pretend to be an expert in horses.
Neither do I, on iPhones or horses ....next?
"The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion." (taken from Apple quarterly report on Apple website.
I'm guessing that even you would have to agree that " net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion" (3 months, in case you missed it) qualifies that to be better than: "Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit." .... Like I said, if I were you I would stay from "the numbers".
Your going by one quarters profit My numbers were over a longer period of time. However we can address Q4 numbers once Windows 7 gets rolling. I never said Apples numbers weren't good however MS still has alot more in the bank
Your going by one quarters profit My numbers were over a longer period of time. However we can address Q4 numbers once Windows 7 gets rolling. I never said Apples numbers weren't good however MS still has alot more in the bank
Actually, for over a year now MS has had less cash reserves than Apple.I can?t find any newer info, but losing your reserves is not something you wish to advertise. I?m sure it can be figured out if you look at their quarterlies. Apple?s reserves have been growing fast. I think they now have between $35-40B on reserve.
Neither company is hurting. MS will selling more many more copies of Win7. With less than 5% worldwide marketshare, MS should ship 18x more copies of Win7 on PCs than Apple ships SL on Macs, even while breaking records yet again. This is not an unexpected outcome..
While MS is not hurting, there financial growth is pretty stagnant. Shareholders do not like that. Building too fast is eradicate and eventual plateau or slowing will scare shareholders. Apple is smart to build carefully with moderated growth year-over-year.
I predict that wihin two years Apple?s Market Cap valuation will be higher than MS?. They beat out Google just a couple days ago.
"The Company posted revenue of $9.87 billion and a net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion." (taken from Apple quarterly report on Apple website.
I'm guessing that even you would have to agree that " net quarterly profit of $1.67 billion" (3 months, in case you missed it) qualifies that to be better than: "Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit." .... Like I said, if I were you I would stay from "the numbers".
Microsoft posted a quarterly profit of $3.57 billion so I don't understand the point of throwing around Apple numbers. Like you said the numbers mean nothing. Throwing them around really isn't going to get anybody anywhere
Microsoft posted a quarterly profit of $3.57 billion so I don't understand the point of throwing around Apple numbers. Like you said the numbers mean nothing. Throwing them around really isn't going to get anybody anywhere
On point is that MSFT?s revenue and profit has been falling while AAPL?s has been rising. I?m certain the Holiday quarter will be record breaking in many ways, but don?t don?t count Apple out simply because it?s sells it?s OS differently than Microsoft. Apple?s quarterly gross revenue could easily beat MS? within a year. And even though software has a higher profit margins, if that trend continues, then even their net profit could be higher than MS?.
On point is that MSFT?s revenue and profit has been falling while AAPL?s has been rising. I?m certain the Holiday quarter will be record breaking in many ways, but don?t don?t count Apple out simply because it?s sells it?s OS differently than Microsoft. Apple?s quarterly gross revenue could easily beat MS? within a year. And even though software has a higher profit margins, if that trend continues, then even their net profit could be higher than MS?.
MS has been in a steady decline for years now.
MS has been in a steady decline for years now.
Even in decline they still manage to stay way head of Apple.
Even in decline they still manage to stay way head of Apple.
They aren?t staying way ahead. Apple is pushing toward them while they are dropping lower. The gap has been closing for years now. After a couple quarters we?ll see if Win7 is the success they need to widen that gap.
Even in decline they still manage to stay way head of Apple.
When your OS is licensed to run on every POS PC made by every manufacturer under the sun, that'll tend to happen.
It should be embarrassing to companies like Dell and Sony, with deep pockets and strong brand names, that they’re stuck selling computers with the same copy of Windows installed as the no-name brands. That's all they have: Windows. No way to differentiate themselves.
And then there’s HP, a company with one of the best names and proudest histories in the industry. Apple made news this week for the design and tech specs of its all-new iMacs, which start at $1199. HP made news this week for unveiling a Windows 7 launch bundle at Best Buy that includes a desktop PC and two laptops, all for $1199. That might be great for Microsoft, but how is it good for HP that their brand now stands for bargain basement prices? But I digress . . .
And if they no longer trust that word of mouth?
Someone once told me to "believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see". (and he wasn't even talking about these boards) .... Thank God for the highest user satisfaction surveys in the industry, eh?