I need confirmation on something. You say you are 67, correct? You also just replied to my post with, " You got a friend? ... Who knew?" correct? You then nitpicked my misspelling of Starbucks, correct? So I have to ask, "You are 67, correct?"
Good catch .... blame it on low blood sugar or time for my nap! Doesn't laughing icon cancel out spelling error?
Its not a bottom line answer its a bullet item along with sevreal key points. Even SJ says the peronal computer belongs to MS. SJ said a while ago that MS one that battle a long time ago. That doesn't mean Apple cant do well in that arena and others like the iPod and iPhone.
This isn't a win all or lose all situation. You need to chill out. With the new Apple ads it appears they have far more of an ego problem then MS. Apple takes the approach if you cant look good try to make someone else look bad. Which never works and only look weak.
Microsoft is in a dominant position (although they've been squandering) - Windows is simply far too ubiquitous; "too big to fail" to quote the analysts. Realistically, I don't see Google gaining significant OS market share until the internet becomes standard for all users, and even then, as we've seen in recent weeks the cloud isn't all it's cracked up to be. However, they are attacking Microsoft at all fronts so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
While the ads don't play nice, Apple are a company - rest assured no one there has an ego problem. They're just competing the way they know how. Although I think word of mouth is more effective.
very very few things osx has over windows. and yea a mac isnt for me because im actually smart with my money and im not like the rest of society, i dont go around buying things that the tv tells me to buy. i work in retail and 90% of all customers are idiots. just because you see an ad on tv doesn't mean its a good product. when people come in to buy a mac, i talk them out of it.
You make statements like ?I?m not like the rest of society? and ?90% of all customers are idiots? while defending Windows which is the OS for ?the rest of society? and ?having 90% marketshare? on PCs. Do you not see the irony in that?
I thought it was you who made a disparaging comment about people using there notebooks in Panera but it may have been someone else. If so, my apologises.
No problem with all the stuff going back and forth in this thread its gotten a bit out of control at times.
Totally agree. Apple is really running scared - so obvious. Has any company ever attacked another product this soon - in ad history? I would expect a stock drop today.
Scared - no. Fabulous marketing opportunity to play off of the competition - YES!
You keep hinting of all your knowledge, but you don't show us... huh?
What is there to show? Do you want to know my backround. I am 42 years old, I have been a systems programmer with IBM since the age of 20. So I have 22 years of experience in IT.
If you want my full resume and W2 form I will have to get to know you a bit better. In any case at least when I make a statement about a product I make sure I have at least used it so I can give at least a somewhat intelligent opinion.
If you are going to bash Window or anything else for that matter you should at least have some knowledge of the product and not base an opinion on what others say.
Saying how great an iPhone is when you don't own one makes no sense. Bashing Vista or Win 7 when you have never used it makes no sense.
Not sure what anyone here including myself needs to "show" you.
Realistically, I don't see Google gaining significant OS market share until the internet becomes standard for all users, and even then, as we've seen in recent weeks the cloud isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I know Google has stated that ChromeOS will be for netbooks, but I think it will end up dominating on really cheap PCs and appliances in emerging countries. Even with dialup. They don?t have to be cloud with ChromeOS as HTML5 as local DB storage. All those Google apps will be able to work offline through the WebKit engine. Just my thoughts on it, we?ll see what comes of it in a couple years from now.
DAMN. New ads by Apple. This is bad it must mean that are SCARED of MS. Oh wait when Apple put out something stupid likd this they are just trying to steal thunder...LOL.
extremeDouche, and TekDUDDouche....
get over your freaking iHATE obsession with anything apple you bunch of sycophantic wannabe PC losers....
some of us actually have been coming to this site for years for actual USEFUL information regarding apple products that you don't get from other forums. When one has to constant get passed your incessant PC inferiority complex spouting your misinformed myopic view on all things windoze, its get old, quick. Not only does it get old quick, it really shows you guys are the ones scared of apple, which is wholly substantiated by their gradual dominance in the phone market, the portable music market, the premium market and any other market they CHOOSE to set their cross-hairs. READ that CAREFULLY....they don't want the bottom-feeder market and they CHOOSE not to compete in markets where the profit margin is so competitive the POS PC makers are fighting like hungry buzzards over a meatless carcass.
really, when you have this much time to spend on a forum, its my personal assessment to wonder how you two trolls or anything you trollies do is even in the slightest germane to the actual topics at hand.
Every new post....you really have no lives...on to the reason I finally started a new ai id..
really, apple is scared... really what universe do you live in.
Apple has over 32 billion in capital in the bank....Apple's stock price today? 203.94 a share....M$? a paltry 28. thanx in part to the upgrade to anything but Vista crowd...everyone was bragging that M$ was up 10%....wow, when your stock is valued out at 24 a share...2.40 a cents isnt really that difficult to conjure up, especially if you are introducing an OS that should have been released 8 years ago...
I would reserve one's projected fears for apple for microsoft, if W7 is not the hit the bloated over-hyped reviews say it is then M$ has a even more serious PR problem and their stock value will quarter yet again this year. We have seen this in the past, which is why if you are not responsible for your own non-revisionist history you are certainly to doomed to repeat it again....
I am really not aware of any two guys that spread more misinformation, misrepresent the reality in which the rest of world exists.....get a life.. go to pc world and go masturbate with the rest of sycophantic Balhmer types.....you guys are worst than Fox News... unbalanced and ill-informed....
Then they will start listening to all the trolls on these boards.
There aren't any trolls on this forum Soul and I may not agree on certain subjects but he appears to be well educated and I respect his opinion even when we don't agree. That goes for any other member as long as we don't attack each other.
People can disagree and not be trolls. I am willing to bet I have far more Apple product in my house then you do but that doesn't mean I am blindly loyal. I have also worked for IBM for 22 years and guess who made chips for Apple before intel. So I have worked with Mac computer for decades.
So just because someone isnt a koolaid drinker doesn't mean that ar trolls. On the flip side not every Apple fan is a fanboy.
get over your freaking iHATE obsession with anything apple you bunch of sycophantic wannabe PC losers....
some of us actually have been coming to this site for years for actual USEFUL information regarding apple products that you don't get from other forums. When one has to constant get passed your incessant PC inferiority complex spouting your misinformed myopic view on all things windoze, its get old, quick. Not only does it get old quick, it really shows you guys are the ones scared of apple, which is wholly substantiated by their gradual dominance in the phone market, the portable music market, the premium market and any other market they CHOOSE to set their cross-hairs. READ that CAREFULLY....they don't want the bottom-feeder market and they CHOOSE not to compete in markets where the profit margin is so competitive the POS PC makers are fighting like hungry buzzards over a meatless carcass.
really, when you have this much time to spend on a forum, its my personal assessment to wonder how you two trolls or anything you trollies do is even in the slightest germane to the actual topics at hand.
Every new post....you really have no lives...on to the reason I finally started a new ai id..
really, apple is scared... really what universe do you live in.
Apple has over 32 billion in capital in the bank....Apple's stock price today? 203.94 a share....M$? a paltry 28. thanx in part to the upgrade to anything but Vista crowd...everyone was bragging that M$ was up 10%....wow, when your stock is valued out at 24 a share...2.40 a cents isnt really that difficult to conjure up, especially if you are introducing an OS that should have been released 8 years ago...
I would reserve one's projected fears for apple for microsoft, if W7 is not the hit the bloated over-hyped reviews say it is then M$ has a even more serious PR problem and their stock value will quarter yet again this year. We have seen this in the past, which is why if you are not responsible for your own non-revisionist history you are certainly to doomed to repeat it again....
I am really not aware of any two guys that spread more misinformation, misrepresent the reality in which the rest of world exists.....get a life.. go to pc world and go masturbate with the rest of sycophantic Balhmer types.....you guys are worst than Fox News... unbalanced and ill-informed....
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
like all your self-fellating posts about who you are trying to convince your POS PC is actually worth the tin can it sits in?
Why didn?t they start testing it when the RC came out earlier this year. MS had to release it to prove that is wasn?t borked like Vista was from the start, even though Vista is just as stable as Win7. I would think many companies would have started doing testing then.
They've had it in house for several months now, but official testing of business unit apps hasn't begun yet. First they have to build a basic corporate image that they can base several business unit images (about 17 total) off of. I'm not on that team so I don't know definite dates, but I know that they don't even have a base image yet. Also, the team is not that large, less than a dozen I think.
By the way, we never went to Vista, we're all still on XP.
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
His tone wasn't entirely appropriate, but he was absolutely right.
You're sitting here trying to convince Apple users on an APPLE FAN SITE about Windows being this and that. Exactly how far do you think you're going to get?
Apple has a lock on its market. They have too much momentum, too much mindhsare. They're too cool, too astute in their timing, they have their finger on the pulse of the market, and they're doing too well to lose anyone. Once you choose Apple, you're staying. There's no going back for Mac uses or for Apple as a company.
So if it's your intent to get everyone to come around to the Windows way of thinking, it's not going to happen. Especially on a site called "AppleInsider." Apple simply has too much to offer. Users are too pampered and we just have it too good to go back to Windows. Why risk it? Why leave what's been working so beautifully for years now?
It's over. Apple's momentum can't be curtailed. MS let Apple tear around the market, doing whatever it wants for far too long. You'er not going to convert anyone here. That's why it's futile for Windows fanboys/trolls/partisans, whatever you want to call them, to camp Apple fansites hoping to prove something. Too late for that. You've been at this all day, but doing it in the worst possible place. You're wasting your time. It might have worked years ago, but it's an entirely different ballgame now.
You should never not want to know how something works. How can you make an educated opinion regarding Apple and Microsoft when you don't understand how all this works?
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Do you know how an automatic transmission works, or do you just put it in "drive" and start driving? I know how my computer operates and that's all I have to know because that's all I want to do with it. However, like most people, I can read a manual and so if I ever have a problem I'm confident I can trouble shoot my way out of it.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
When you say things like Vista doesn't work and is fully of viruses clearly you are not speaking from experience and only going off what Ads tell you.
Your right, I don't use Vista. The PC that we have, for our daughters to use on their work files when they come to visit, is running XP. They demanded XP because they had so much trouble at work with Vista until, like thousands of others, they went back to XP. When my wife uses it and runs into trouble, I do my research and learn how to fix it. I don't go off the ads, however, I do use knowledge gained from researching the internet to fix her many computing problems.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater
I haven't had a virus in I can't tell you how long and I don't even know when the last time a windows user has had a blue screen. It makes for good tv for people that are ignorant to the truth.
Count your blessings. I can tell you it hasn't been that long for both situations in the case of my daughters or 2 of their friends.
Your right, I don't use Vista. The PC that we have, for our daughters to use on their work files when they come to visit, is running XP. They demanded XP because they had so much trouble at work with Vista until, like thousands of others, they went back to XP. When my wife uses it and runs into trouble, I do my research and learn how to fix it. I don't go off the ads, however, I do use knowledge gained from researching the internet to fix her many computing problems.
Funny, I've never had a single problem with Vista, and I push it pretty hard with 3D Studio Max, Maya, ZBrush, and Photoshop.
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I need confirmation on something. You say you are 67, correct? You also just replied to my post with, " You got a friend? ... Who knew?" correct? You then nitpicked my misspelling of Starbucks, correct? So I have to ask, "You are 67, correct?"
Good catch .... blame it on low blood sugar or time for my nap!
Its not a bottom line answer its a bullet item along with sevreal key points. Even SJ says the peronal computer belongs to MS. SJ said a while ago that MS one that battle a long time ago. That doesn't mean Apple cant do well in that arena and others like the iPod and iPhone.
This isn't a win all or lose all situation. You need to chill out. With the new Apple ads it appears they have far more of an ego problem then MS. Apple takes the approach if you cant look good try to make someone else look bad. Which never works and only look weak.
Microsoft is in a dominant position (although they've been squandering) - Windows is simply far too ubiquitous; "too big to fail" to quote the analysts. Realistically, I don't see Google gaining significant OS market share until the internet becomes standard for all users, and even then, as we've seen in recent weeks the cloud isn't all it's cracked up to be. However, they are attacking Microsoft at all fronts so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
While the ads don't play nice, Apple are a company - rest assured no one there has an ego problem. They're just competing the way they know how. Although I think word of mouth is more effective.
very very few things osx has over windows. and yea a mac isnt for me because im actually smart with my money and im not like the rest of society, i dont go around buying things that the tv tells me to buy. i work in retail and 90% of all customers are idiots. just because you see an ad on tv doesn't mean its a good product. when people come in to buy a mac, i talk them out of it.
You make statements like ?I?m not like the rest of society? and ?90% of all customers are idiots? while defending Windows which is the OS for ?the rest of society? and ?having 90% marketshare? on PCs. Do you not see the irony in that?
I thought it was you who made a disparaging comment about people using there notebooks in Panera but it may have been someone else. If so, my apologises.
No problem with all the stuff going back and forth in this thread its gotten a bit out of control at times.
Whenever Apple addresses the netbook segment with their own I believe they'll disappoint.
Why do you think they will address the netbook segment? Seems to me that Apple has shown no such inclination.
actually, you missed the part, he used bty instead of btw.
That was lame by Newbee
Damn. Now I'm sure it's time for my nap .... bye bye.
Totally agree. Apple is really running scared - so obvious. Has any company ever attacked another product this soon - in ad history? I would expect a stock drop today.
Scared - no. Fabulous marketing opportunity to play off of the competition - YES!
And if they no longer trust that word of mouth?
Then they will start listening to all the trolls on these boards.
You keep hinting of all your knowledge, but you don't show us... huh?
What is there to show? Do you want to know my backround. I am 42 years old, I have been a systems programmer with IBM since the age of 20. So I have 22 years of experience in IT.
If you want my full resume and W2 form I will have to get to know you a bit better. In any case at least when I make a statement about a product I make sure I have at least used it so I can give at least a somewhat intelligent opinion.
If you are going to bash Window or anything else for that matter you should at least have some knowledge of the product and not base an opinion on what others say.
Saying how great an iPhone is when you don't own one makes no sense. Bashing Vista or Win 7 when you have never used it makes no sense.
Not sure what anyone here including myself needs to "show" you.
Realistically, I don't see Google gaining significant OS market share until the internet becomes standard for all users, and even then, as we've seen in recent weeks the cloud isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I know Google has stated that ChromeOS will be for netbooks, but I think it will end up dominating on really cheap PCs and appliances in emerging countries. Even with dialup. They don?t have to be cloud with ChromeOS as HTML5 as local DB storage. All those Google apps will be able to work offline through the WebKit engine. Just my thoughts on it, we?ll see what comes of it in a couple years from now.
DAMN. New ads by Apple. This is bad it must mean that are SCARED of MS. Oh wait when Apple put out something stupid likd this they are just trying to steal thunder...LOL.
extremeDouche, and TekDUDDouche....
get over your freaking iHATE obsession with anything apple you bunch of sycophantic wannabe PC losers....
some of us actually have been coming to this site for years for actual USEFUL information regarding apple products that you don't get from other forums. When one has to constant get passed your incessant PC inferiority complex spouting your misinformed myopic view on all things windoze, its get old, quick. Not only does it get old quick, it really shows you guys are the ones scared of apple, which is wholly substantiated by their gradual dominance in the phone market, the portable music market, the premium market and any other market they CHOOSE to set their cross-hairs. READ that CAREFULLY....they don't want the bottom-feeder market and they CHOOSE not to compete in markets where the profit margin is so competitive the POS PC makers are fighting like hungry buzzards over a meatless carcass.
really, when you have this much time to spend on a forum, its my personal assessment to wonder how you two trolls or anything you trollies do is even in the slightest germane to the actual topics at hand.
Every new post....you really have no lives...on to the reason I finally started a new ai id..
really, apple is scared... really what universe do you live in.
Apple has over 32 billion in capital in the bank....Apple's stock price today? 203.94 a share....M$? a paltry 28. thanx in part to the upgrade to anything but Vista crowd...everyone was bragging that M$ was up 10%....wow, when your stock is valued out at 24 a share...2.40 a cents isnt really that difficult to conjure up, especially if you are introducing an OS that should have been released 8 years ago...
I would reserve one's projected fears for apple for microsoft, if W7 is not the hit the bloated over-hyped reviews say it is then M$ has a even more serious PR problem and their stock value will quarter yet again this year. We have seen this in the past, which is why if you are not responsible for your own non-revisionist history you are certainly to doomed to repeat it again....
I am really not aware of any two guys that spread more misinformation, misrepresent the reality in which the rest of world exists.....get a life.. go to pc world and go masturbate with the rest of sycophantic Balhmer types.....you guys are worst than Fox News... unbalanced and ill-informed....
Then they will start listening to all the trolls on these boards.
There aren't any trolls on this forum Soul and I may not agree on certain subjects but he appears to be well educated and I respect his opinion even when we don't agree. That goes for any other member as long as we don't attack each other.
People can disagree and not be trolls. I am willing to bet I have far more Apple product in my house then you do but that doesn't mean I am blindly loyal. I have also worked for IBM for 22 years and guess who made chips for Apple before intel. So I have worked with Mac computer for decades.
So just because someone isnt a koolaid drinker doesn't mean that ar trolls. On the flip side not every Apple fan is a fanboy.
extremeDouche, and TekDUDDouche....
get over your freaking iHATE obsession with anything apple you bunch of sycophantic wannabe PC losers....
some of us actually have been coming to this site for years for actual USEFUL information regarding apple products that you don't get from other forums. When one has to constant get passed your incessant PC inferiority complex spouting your misinformed myopic view on all things windoze, its get old, quick. Not only does it get old quick, it really shows you guys are the ones scared of apple, which is wholly substantiated by their gradual dominance in the phone market, the portable music market, the premium market and any other market they CHOOSE to set their cross-hairs. READ that CAREFULLY....they don't want the bottom-feeder market and they CHOOSE not to compete in markets where the profit margin is so competitive the POS PC makers are fighting like hungry buzzards over a meatless carcass.
really, when you have this much time to spend on a forum, its my personal assessment to wonder how you two trolls or anything you trollies do is even in the slightest germane to the actual topics at hand.
Every new post....you really have no lives...on to the reason I finally started a new ai id..
really, apple is scared... really what universe do you live in.
Apple has over 32 billion in capital in the bank....Apple's stock price today? 203.94 a share....M$? a paltry 28. thanx in part to the upgrade to anything but Vista crowd...everyone was bragging that M$ was up 10%....wow, when your stock is valued out at 24 a share...2.40 a cents isnt really that difficult to conjure up, especially if you are introducing an OS that should have been released 8 years ago...
I would reserve one's projected fears for apple for microsoft, if W7 is not the hit the bloated over-hyped reviews say it is then M$ has a even more serious PR problem and their stock value will quarter yet again this year. We have seen this in the past, which is why if you are not responsible for your own non-revisionist history you are certainly to doomed to repeat it again....
I am really not aware of any two guys that spread more misinformation, misrepresent the reality in which the rest of world exists.....get a life.. go to pc world and go masturbate with the rest of sycophantic Balhmer types.....you guys are worst than Fox News... unbalanced and ill-informed....
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
These ads never tell the 'entire truth', and in the case of the ones featured in this blog entry - Seriously Reek of Desperation on Apple's Part.
Ads truthful, Shirley you gest.
Desperation.... didn't see quarterly results did you?
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
sorta like all your posts you tool....
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
like all your self-fellating posts about who you are trying to convince your POS PC is actually worth the tin can it sits in?
Why didn?t they start testing it when the RC came out earlier this year. MS had to release it to prove that is wasn?t borked like Vista was from the start, even though Vista is just as stable as Win7. I would think many companies would have started doing testing then.
They've had it in house for several months now, but official testing of business unit apps hasn't begun yet. First they have to build a basic corporate image that they can base several business unit images (about 17 total) off of. I'm not on that team so I don't know definite dates, but I know that they don't even have a base image yet. Also, the team is not that large, less than a dozen I think.
By the way, we never went to Vista, we're all still on XP.
Grow up. You actually joined the forum to post this nonsense. Great first post. You said alot of nothing. Newbee now this is what a true troll looks like.
His tone wasn't entirely appropriate, but he was absolutely right.
You're sitting here trying to convince Apple users on an APPLE FAN SITE about Windows being this and that. Exactly how far do you think you're going to get?
Apple has a lock on its market. They have too much momentum, too much mindhsare. They're too cool, too astute in their timing, they have their finger on the pulse of the market, and they're doing too well to lose anyone. Once you choose Apple, you're staying. There's no going back for Mac uses or for Apple as a company.
So if it's your intent to get everyone to come around to the Windows way of thinking, it's not going to happen. Especially on a site called "AppleInsider." Apple simply has too much to offer. Users are too pampered and we just have it too good to go back to Windows. Why risk it? Why leave what's been working so beautifully for years now?
It's over. Apple's momentum can't be curtailed. MS let Apple tear around the market, doing whatever it wants for far too long. You'er not going to convert anyone here. That's why it's futile for Windows fanboys/trolls/partisans, whatever you want to call them, to camp Apple fansites hoping to prove something. Too late for that. You've been at this all day, but doing it in the worst possible place. You're wasting your time. It might have worked years ago, but it's an entirely different ballgame now.
You should never not want to know how something works. How can you make an educated opinion regarding Apple and Microsoft when you don't understand how all this works?
[QUOTE=extremeskater;1507057]
Do you know how an automatic transmission works, or do you just put it in "drive" and start driving? I know how my computer operates and that's all I have to know because that's all I want to do with it. However, like most people, I can read a manual and so if I ever have a problem I'm confident I can trouble shoot my way out of it.
When you say things like Vista doesn't work and is fully of viruses clearly you are not speaking from experience and only going off what Ads tell you.
Your right, I don't use Vista. The PC that we have, for our daughters to use on their work files when they come to visit, is running XP. They demanded XP because they had so much trouble at work with Vista until, like thousands of others, they went back to XP. When my wife uses it and runs into trouble, I do my research and learn how to fix it. I don't go off the ads, however, I do use knowledge gained from researching the internet to fix her many computing problems.
I haven't had a virus in I can't tell you how long and I don't even know when the last time a windows user has had a blue screen. It makes for good tv for people that are ignorant to the truth.
Count your blessings. I can tell you it hasn't been that long for both situations in the case of my daughters or 2 of their friends.
Your right, I don't use Vista. The PC that we have, for our daughters to use on their work files when they come to visit, is running XP. They demanded XP because they had so much trouble at work with Vista until, like thousands of others, they went back to XP. When my wife uses it and runs into trouble, I do my research and learn how to fix it. I don't go off the ads, however, I do use knowledge gained from researching the internet to fix her many computing problems.
Funny, I've never had a single problem with Vista, and I push it pretty hard with 3D Studio Max, Maya, ZBrush, and Photoshop.
It 'just works'. Always has.
Curious.