read the link for q1 2009 before you make another comment.
again I posted a link for Q1 2009 and Q2 2009 to show a trend and because you never mentioned the year, i did ask the question, are you talking about 2009, so i posted Q1 2008.
Anyway as you said I must believe you, since YOU said Apple had a weak Q1 2009, without any links to show the facts. Btw: you could have posted a link, since the results are open to public.
Why give you links? When I do you just jump over that post because you don't like what I have provided.
That fine but most fo the world isn't in the print pubishing business. I am not in that business so I really don't have an opinion on what works best.
Well even if I was in engineering or medicine which is the business most of my clients are in, I would still have a Mac at home since it is really an excellent machine for almost any casual computer usage as well as creative work. Of course creative industries have always been a stronghold for Apple so you'll find a disproportionate number of creative people on this forum.
yes but will the average consumer know that. most likely not. the point im trying to make is that for every os, regardless of win vs osx, theyre supposed to be better than the last. Don't tell me OSX hasn't been plagued by bugs or else we wouldn't be at 10.5 now would we.
I agree to some extend, but I believe Apple are trying to be innovative as well as improve their operating system performance in terms of user features etc.
I read the reviews on Win 7 and I must say, I have an open mind and from the reviews, it seems a breath of fresh air over Vista.
Was ever an anti-Vista, anti- XP ad released less than 24 hours after their initial release? NO.
HHmmmmm- Sounds pretty scared to me.
Come on, TeckDud, It took longer than 24 hours for the crap that was buried in Vista OS to float the top where it could be seen ... I expect the same will be true of Win7, but I'm not going post a definitive opinion until Win7 passes/fails the "test of time". Wish I could say the same for all other posters here. Interesting 'tho, to see the fanboyism on BOTH sides of the fence.
This all reminds me of the Democrat vs Republican thing... when it comes down to it I hate both sides.
Both sides cling to bad information and bs to 'convince' the other side they are wrong.
Wow.
The difference is that both the Dems and Rep. suck, while OS X and Windows both have their place.
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Now you have really lost it.
Most Windows users running x64 bit system do not even have virus software. Do you know why? And if you do decide to run an antivirus like NOD32 it runs in the backround with little resources.
Except that all of those netbooks will be 32-bit. I?d wager that a 23-bit version will be the lions share of the cheap notebooks, too, which account for most PCs sold. Either way you cut it, virus are not gone from Windows.
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Same task less steps? What does that even mean and how can you even back up that statement.
Of course you don?t understand. It?s faster and easier to to the same task in OS X than it is on Windows. How many steps does it take to get a screenshot on the desktop? Do you still have to go Start » Progams » Accesories » MS Paint » Edit » Paste Save As » file_name » Desktop after hitting the Print Screen button?
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My system can boot faster then anything Apple has on the market. I have a faster cpu, gpu, more ram then anything apple has to offer. I can perform a full boot in 25 secs.
But on the SAME HW Mac OS X boots faster, shuts down faster, uses less resources for the same tasks, and can start up apps faster. It?s just the way it is. It doesn?t make Windows bad, MS has a different business than Apple does. MS has to support legacy code as part of their business model, while Apple is quick to shed its skin, sometimes too quick.
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HP and Dell have systems with the same battery usage as Apple if not better.
Having an option for a much larger battery pack is not what I stated. You have once again failed to comprehend. For the same HW (which includes the a battery with the same mAh) Windows uses more power to do the same tasks. UNIX-based systems are just inherently more efficient, and with Apple adding synergy by designing the HW, they can make that even more efficient.
On top of that, you have once again jumped from talking about an OS to OS comparison to a shift to PC vendors to support your argument once cornered. I don?t think you are a troll, but I do think that you are pushing your preference on people simply for not having your needs. I, like most users, have a notebook and will only use a notebook, yet you think I am an idiot for not building my own box. It?s the inability to see that your needs do not necessarily match other people?s needs combined with the radical jumps in your arguments from OS to vendor, etc. that are making some see you as a troll as that is the same short bus riding dance routine we get from our resident troll boy.
Well even if I was in engineering or medicine which is the business most of my clients are in, I would still have a Mac at home since it is really an excellent machine for almost any casual computer usage as well as creative work. Of course creative industries have always been a stronghold for Apple so you'll find a disproportionate number of creative people on this forum.
Im surprised Apple still doesn't have somewhat of a strong hold on the education system. My wife is an Assistant Principal and of course we take advantage of the Apple discounts but very few schools here in GA have Apple systems. Could just be costs related.
"Trust Me" s very effective in getting its message across.
it will be interesting to see if Apple can peel away some XP users.
also if Apple launches the new iTab in the next few weeks to grab the spotlight away from Windows.
I am an apple user 99% of the time but I dare any if you to walk into a store, grab a specialist and ask, was it tru you guys didn't update your back of house machines to leopard fit almost 7 months. And since you're ajways talking about virus programs, wgyvdo you have them running in your back of house machines. Have the back of House machines been updated to SL. Lol. But watch their reaction when u ask.
In all seriusness though I heard their new msft store was flooded and win 7 is getting great reviews. I dint think the ads though will stop the millions of IT pros from upgrading aa it's easy if you know what you are doing. Then take thenmom and pop plus co worker on XP for years sewing win 7 and I think apple has a hard sell for sure and I just read you can run like 32-128 gigs of ram???? Wow for audio that's going yo be great e, I use both and in the end the consumer wins. I think a win 7 and new hacntosh may be in order. If they had added express slots and esata that would have been an easy sell for me.
The difference is that both the Dems and Rep. suck, while OS X and Windows both have their place.
Except that all of those netbooks will be 32-bit. I?d wager that a 23-bit version will be the lions share of the cheap notebooks, too, which account for most PCs sold. Either way you cut it, virus are not gone from Windows.
Of course you don?t understand. It?s faster and easier to to the same task in OS X than it is on Windows. How many steps does it take to get a screenshot on the desktop? Do you still have to go Start » Progams » Accesories » MS Paint » Edit » Paste Save As » file_name » Desktop after hitting the Print Screen button?
But on the SAME HW Mac OS X boots faster, shuts down faster, uses less resources for the same tasks, and can start up apps faster. It?s just the way it is. It doesn?t make Windows bad, MS has a different business than Apple does. MS has to support legacy code as part of their business model, while Apple is quick to shed its skin, sometimes too quick.
Having an option for a much larger battery pack is not what I stated. You have once again failed to comprehend. For the same HW (which includes the a battery with the same mAh) Windows uses more power to do the same tasks. UNIX-based systems are just inherently more efficient, and with Apple adding synergy by designing the HW, they can make that even more efficient.
On top of that, you have once again jumped from talking about an OS to OS comparison to a shift to PC vendors to support your argument once cornered. I don?t think you are a troll, but I do think that you are pushing your preference on people simply for not having your needs. I, like most users, have a notebook and will only use a notebook, yet you think I am an idiot for not building my own box. It?s the inability to see that your needs do not necessarily match other people?s needs combined with the radical jumps in your arguments from OS to vendor, etc. that are making some see you as a troll as that is the same short bus riding dance routine we get from our resident troll boy.
Most users are going to x64 systems. In many cases x64 comes preloaded and most users don't even know the difference. I really can't defend the netbook market. When you pay 300.00 for a computer you cant really ask for much.
As far as booting most of that is because of bios vs EFI. EFI is always going to be faster but for some odd reason we are still using bios. Kind of like Firewire being faster yet even Apple appears to be going the route of USB. Even SJ said everyone is using USB. Better doent always get supported.
To me it doesn't matter if the hardware is the same because I can add three times the hardware at the same cost. However booting is just part of the picture. I can run huge applications at the same time with no issue at all. I care more about how fast my system is once it is up rather then at boot. Fact is most of us dont boot anyways we sleep our systems.
A larger battery pack is not what I am taking about. Makers like Sony and even HP and Dell are using the same 4 or 6 cell battery and getting a good charge time. Sony is using LED screens and you can switch from dedicated video to shared which saves power. This really isnt rocket science.
Here is a good review I saw today about Windows 7. Hits on some good point of Windows but also has an interesting last note about Apple.
I find it a bit disheartening, especially as the owner of several Macs, that Apple misleadingly makes it seem that 'moving' one's stuff' to a Mac is some simple task, when in fact it is not for many users.
Apple, in the past, and maybe even now, would do the "switching' for free. Just take PC to store when you purchase a Mac and they do the rest. Can't get much more simple then that. M$ would like to do the same .... if they ever get anyone to switch their way. Still waiting ...zzzzzz
iMacs started using SATA for the HDD back in 2004. PATA is(was?) only for the SuperDrive. Unless you are planning to replace the optical drive with a 2.5? HDD/SSD I don?t see it as an issue.
Wow! You got a friend? ... Who knew? And your friend bought a MBP ... a smart friend to boot ... what is this world coming to?
bty ...is Sarbucks the PC equivalent to Starbucks, you know, a wannabe Starbucks kind of thing?
I need confirmation on something. You say you are 67, correct? You also just replied to my post with, " You got a friend? ... Who knew?" correct? You then nitpicked my misspelling of Starbucks, correct? So I have to ask, "You are 67, correct?"
Most users are going to x64 systems. In many cases x64 comes preloaded and most users don't even know the difference. I really can't defend the netbook market. When you pay 300.00 for a computer you cant really ask for much.
As far as booting most of that is because of bios vs EFI. EFI is always going to be faster but for some odd reason we are still using bios. Kind of like Firewire being faster yet even Apple appears to be going the route of USB. Even SJ said everyone is using USB. Better doent always get supported.
To me it doesn't matter if the hardware is the same because I can add three times the hardware at the same cost. However booting is just part of the picture. I can run huge applications at the same time with no issue at all. I care more about how fast my system is once it is up rather then at boot. Fact is most of us dont boot anyways we sleep our systems.
A larger battery pack is not what I am taking about. Makers like Sony and even HP and Dell are using the same 4 or 6 cell battery and getting a good charge time. Sony is using LED screens and you can switch from dedicated video to shared which saves power. This really isnt rocket science.
Here is a good review I saw today about Windows 7. Hits on some good point of Windows but also has an interesting last note about Apple.
good article and basically the same I have read about Windows 7, unfortunately Microsoft left bad taste in people's mouth and Windows 7 benchmark is being set so much higher now.
One issue I have is, you know that majority of your core customers have not moved to Vista, but still using XP/XP professional, why is the upgrade so tentative?
Maybe MS could not provide a smoother transition, but I not sure if they tried to look at that issue, I maybe wrong.
Most users are going to x64 systems. In many cases x64 comes preloaded and most users don't even know the difference. I really can't defend the netbook market. When you pay 300.00 for a computer you cant really ask for much.
But you get more OS marketshare because of those cheap machines. The $400 notebooks give you a lot more performance and capacity for only a little more money. Even dual core, though in a Pentium. Can’t ask for much on these machines either, but a sale of Windows is a sale of Windows; it will likely jump up a little in marketshare this quarter, despite Apple once again getting record sales. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS.
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As far as booting most of that is because of bios vs EFI. EFI is always going to be faster but for some odd reason we are still using bios. Kind of like Firewire being faster yet even Apple appears to be going the route of USB. Even SJ said everyone is using USB. Better doent always get supported.
Apple has dropped FW400, not FireWire itself. This was a long time coming, just look at the systematic dropping from the iPod and iPhone.
That last line I find ironic since you’re been arguing that Windows higher marketshare signifies that it must be better.
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To me it doesn't matter if the hardware is the same because I can add three times the hardware at the same cost. However booting is just part of the picture. I can run huge applications at the same time with no issue at all. I care more about how fast my system is once it is up rather then at boot. Fact is most of us dont boot anyways we sleep our systems.
You have a desktop tower, why wouldn’t you be able to add more/better HW at a lower cost? Apple only has one tower that is designed as a workstation. It really shouldn’t be a Mac as it’s really a consumer geared machine. ALL of Apple’s other offerings, which regular Mac users by have trade offs for the compactness and portability. You made a comment yesterday about notebook users in Panera are beneath you. Why you think notebook users are scum is beyond me. I don’t need or want a desktop. It would limit my productivity severely. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!
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A larger battery pack is not what I am taking about. Makers like Sony and even HP and Dell are using the same 4 or 6 cell battery and getting a good charge time. Sony is using LED screens and you can switch from dedicated video to shared which saves power. This really isnt rocket science.
Same HW, including battery with same mAh gets more run time from Mac OS X than from Windows. Battery life should mean nothing to you since you think notebooks are foolish anyway.
Also, The same machine that differentiates from an Intel to AMD CPU gets more run time from Intel, especially with notebook chips. Check out AnandTech.
But you get more OS marketshare because of those cheap machines. The $400 notebooks give you a lot more performance and capacity for only a little more money. Even dual core, though in a Pentium. Can?t ask for much on these machines either, but a sale of Windows is a sale of Windows; it will likely jump up a little in marketshare this quarter, despite Apple once again getting record sales. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS.
Apple has dropped FW400, not FireWire itself. This was a long time coming, just look at the systematic dropping from the iPod and iPhone.
That last line I find ironic since you?re been arguing that Windows higher marketshare signifies that it must be better.
You have a desktop tower, why wouldn?t you be able to add more/better HW at a lower cost? Apple only has one tower that is designed as a workstation. It really shouldn?t be a Mac as it?s really a consumer geared machine. ALL of Apple?s other offerings, which regular Mac users by have trade offs for the compactness and portability. You made a comment yesterday about notebook users in Panera are beneath you. Why you think notebook users are scum is beyond me. I don?t need or want a desktop. It would limit my productivity severely. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!
Same HW, including battery with same mAh gets more run time from Mac OS X than from Windows. Battery life should mean nothing to you since you think notebooks are foolish anyway.
Also, The same machine that differentiates from an Intel to AMD CPU gets more run time from Intel, especially with notebook chips. Check out AnandTech.
I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment about notebook users. Who on earth doesn't use a notebook some of the time? I work for IBM I use a notebook and doc station all the time.
I need confirmation on something. You say you are 67, correct? You also just replied to my post with, " You got a friend? ... Who knew?" correct? You then nitpicked my misspelling of Starbucks, correct? So I have to ask, "You are 67, correct?"
actually, you missed the part, he used bty instead of btw.
Well at least we know you are safe with and idiot proof computer. It was made for you. As for viruses you are right they are just something you hear about in Apple ads in reality these day a dangerous virus is far more of a myth then reality. Apple needs to update their 1980 attack plan.
Your right, when it comes to computing, I'm an idiot ... didn't start until I was in my late 50s. But I was smart enough to get something that was appropriate for someone who doesn't want to "know how it works", just as long as it does work. I also know how to tell the difference between "buying cheap" and "getting value". That's why my choice has been, and always will be a Mac, unless they give me a reason to change my mind.
And as for "Apple's 1980 attack plan" .... If it ain't broke, ... don't fix it.
good article and basically the same I have read about Windows 7, unfortunately Microsoft left bad taste in people's mouth and Windows 7 benchmark is being set so much higher now.
One issue I have is, you know that majority of your core customers have not moved to Vista, but still using XP/XP professional, why is the upgrade so tentative?
Maybe MS could not provide a smoother transition, but I not sure if they tried to look at that issue, I maybe wrong.
Windows users have never been as big into upgrading as Apple users. I am not sure why but that has always been the case and I expect it will be that way in the future. People tend to upgrade when they get a new system. However from what I read today Windows 7 preorders have been pretty amazing and that is expected to continue into 2010.
I run Vista x64 on all my windows systems and honestly I'm not in any hurry to move to Windows 7. Being in IT all my life one thing I learned a long time ago is never be one fo the people to rush to the store when something is first released. Vista really didn't because good until SP1. After SP1 I have had no issues. Cant really say that before SP1. However when Leopard came out I really had issues that that also. Wasn't until about version 3 I felt it was in good shape. Yet again my opinion and experience with both operating systems.
I will give Windows 7 about six months and then take another look at it. I am thinking of getting another Macbook pro maybe 13" this time so that will be my first Snow Leopard machine.
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read the link for q1 2009 before you make another comment.
again I posted a link for Q1 2009 and Q2 2009 to show a trend and because you never mentioned the year, i did ask the question, are you talking about 2009, so i posted Q1 2008.
Anyway as you said I must believe you, since YOU said Apple had a weak Q1 2009, without any links to show the facts. Btw: you could have posted a link, since the results are open to public.
Why give you links? When I do you just jump over that post because you don't like what I have provided.
That fine but most fo the world isn't in the print pubishing business. I am not in that business so I really don't have an opinion on what works best.
Well even if I was in engineering or medicine which is the business most of my clients are in, I would still have a Mac at home since it is really an excellent machine for almost any casual computer usage as well as creative work. Of course creative industries have always been a stronghold for Apple so you'll find a disproportionate number of creative people on this forum.
yes but will the average consumer know that. most likely not. the point im trying to make is that for every os, regardless of win vs osx, theyre supposed to be better than the last. Don't tell me OSX hasn't been plagued by bugs or else we wouldn't be at 10.5 now would we.
I agree to some extend, but I believe Apple are trying to be innovative as well as improve their operating system performance in terms of user features etc.
I read the reviews on Win 7 and I must say, I have an open mind and from the reviews, it seems a breath of fresh air over Vista.
Why give you links? When I do you just jump over that post because you don't like what I have provided.
ok BS..next topic
Was ever an anti-Vista, anti- XP ad released less than 24 hours after their initial release? NO.
HHmmmmm- Sounds pretty scared to me.
Come on, TeckDud, It took longer than 24 hours for the crap that was buried in Vista OS to float the top where it could be seen ... I expect the same will be true of Win7, but I'm not going post a definitive opinion until Win7 passes/fails the "test of time". Wish I could say the same for all other posters here. Interesting 'tho, to see the fanboyism on BOTH sides of the fence.
ok BS..next topic
I'mn getting bored of this topic. Maybe we should talk about the US and univeral healthcare..lol
This all reminds me of the Democrat vs Republican thing... when it comes down to it I hate both sides.
Both sides cling to bad information and bs to 'convince' the other side they are wrong.
Wow.
The difference is that both the Dems and Rep. suck, while OS X and Windows both have their place.
Now you have really lost it.
Most Windows users running x64 bit system do not even have virus software. Do you know why? And if you do decide to run an antivirus like NOD32 it runs in the backround with little resources.
Except that all of those netbooks will be 32-bit. I?d wager that a 23-bit version will be the lions share of the cheap notebooks, too, which account for most PCs sold. Either way you cut it, virus are not gone from Windows.
Same task less steps? What does that even mean and how can you even back up that statement.
Of course you don?t understand. It?s faster and easier to to the same task in OS X than it is on Windows. How many steps does it take to get a screenshot on the desktop? Do you still have to go Start » Progams » Accesories » MS Paint » Edit » Paste Save As » file_name » Desktop after hitting the Print Screen button?
My system can boot faster then anything Apple has on the market. I have a faster cpu, gpu, more ram then anything apple has to offer. I can perform a full boot in 25 secs.
But on the SAME HW Mac OS X boots faster, shuts down faster, uses less resources for the same tasks, and can start up apps faster. It?s just the way it is. It doesn?t make Windows bad, MS has a different business than Apple does. MS has to support legacy code as part of their business model, while Apple is quick to shed its skin, sometimes too quick.
HP and Dell have systems with the same battery usage as Apple if not better.
Having an option for a much larger battery pack is not what I stated. You have once again failed to comprehend. For the same HW (which includes the a battery with the same mAh) Windows uses more power to do the same tasks. UNIX-based systems are just inherently more efficient, and with Apple adding synergy by designing the HW, they can make that even more efficient.
On top of that, you have once again jumped from talking about an OS to OS comparison to a shift to PC vendors to support your argument once cornered. I don?t think you are a troll, but I do think that you are pushing your preference on people simply for not having your needs. I, like most users, have a notebook and will only use a notebook, yet you think I am an idiot for not building my own box. It?s the inability to see that your needs do not necessarily match other people?s needs combined with the radical jumps in your arguments from OS to vendor, etc. that are making some see you as a troll as that is the same short bus riding dance routine we get from our resident troll boy.
Well even if I was in engineering or medicine which is the business most of my clients are in, I would still have a Mac at home since it is really an excellent machine for almost any casual computer usage as well as creative work. Of course creative industries have always been a stronghold for Apple so you'll find a disproportionate number of creative people on this forum.
Im surprised Apple still doesn't have somewhat of a strong hold on the education system. My wife is an Assistant Principal and of course we take advantage of the Apple discounts but very few schools here in GA have Apple systems. Could just be costs related.
"Trust Me" s very effective in getting its message across.
it will be interesting to see if Apple can peel away some XP users.
also if Apple launches the new iTab in the next few weeks to grab the spotlight away from Windows.
I am an apple user 99% of the time but I dare any if you to walk into a store, grab a specialist and ask, was it tru you guys didn't update your back of house machines to leopard fit almost 7 months. And since you're ajways talking about virus programs, wgyvdo you have them running in your back of house machines. Have the back of House machines been updated to SL. Lol. But watch their reaction when u ask.
In all seriusness though I heard their new msft store was flooded and win 7 is getting great reviews. I dint think the ads though will stop the millions of IT pros from upgrading aa it's easy if you know what you are doing. Then take thenmom and pop plus co worker on XP for years sewing win 7 and I think apple has a hard sell for sure and I just read you can run like 32-128 gigs of ram???? Wow for audio that's going yo be great e, I use both and in the end the consumer wins. I think a win 7 and new hacntosh may be in order. If they had added express slots and esata that would have been an easy sell for me.
Is it true iMacs are using pata still?
Peace.
The difference is that both the Dems and Rep. suck, while OS X and Windows both have their place.
Except that all of those netbooks will be 32-bit. I?d wager that a 23-bit version will be the lions share of the cheap notebooks, too, which account for most PCs sold. Either way you cut it, virus are not gone from Windows.
Of course you don?t understand. It?s faster and easier to to the same task in OS X than it is on Windows. How many steps does it take to get a screenshot on the desktop? Do you still have to go Start » Progams » Accesories » MS Paint » Edit » Paste Save As » file_name » Desktop after hitting the Print Screen button?
But on the SAME HW Mac OS X boots faster, shuts down faster, uses less resources for the same tasks, and can start up apps faster. It?s just the way it is. It doesn?t make Windows bad, MS has a different business than Apple does. MS has to support legacy code as part of their business model, while Apple is quick to shed its skin, sometimes too quick.
Having an option for a much larger battery pack is not what I stated. You have once again failed to comprehend. For the same HW (which includes the a battery with the same mAh) Windows uses more power to do the same tasks. UNIX-based systems are just inherently more efficient, and with Apple adding synergy by designing the HW, they can make that even more efficient.
On top of that, you have once again jumped from talking about an OS to OS comparison to a shift to PC vendors to support your argument once cornered. I don?t think you are a troll, but I do think that you are pushing your preference on people simply for not having your needs. I, like most users, have a notebook and will only use a notebook, yet you think I am an idiot for not building my own box. It?s the inability to see that your needs do not necessarily match other people?s needs combined with the radical jumps in your arguments from OS to vendor, etc. that are making some see you as a troll as that is the same short bus riding dance routine we get from our resident troll boy.
Most users are going to x64 systems. In many cases x64 comes preloaded and most users don't even know the difference. I really can't defend the netbook market. When you pay 300.00 for a computer you cant really ask for much.
As far as booting most of that is because of bios vs EFI. EFI is always going to be faster but for some odd reason we are still using bios. Kind of like Firewire being faster yet even Apple appears to be going the route of USB. Even SJ said everyone is using USB. Better doent always get supported.
To me it doesn't matter if the hardware is the same because I can add three times the hardware at the same cost. However booting is just part of the picture. I can run huge applications at the same time with no issue at all. I care more about how fast my system is once it is up rather then at boot. Fact is most of us dont boot anyways we sleep our systems.
A larger battery pack is not what I am taking about. Makers like Sony and even HP and Dell are using the same 4 or 6 cell battery and getting a good charge time. Sony is using LED screens and you can switch from dedicated video to shared which saves power. This really isnt rocket science.
Here is a good review I saw today about Windows 7. Hits on some good point of Windows but also has an interesting last note about Apple.
http://www.usnews.com/money/business...windows-7.html
I find it a bit disheartening, especially as the owner of several Macs, that Apple misleadingly makes it seem that 'moving' one's stuff' to a Mac is some simple task, when in fact it is not for many users.
Apple, in the past, and maybe even now, would do the "switching' for free. Just take PC to store when you purchase a Mac and they do the rest. Can't get much more simple then that. M$ would like to do the same .... if they ever get anyone to switch their way. Still waiting ...zzzzzz
Is it true iMacs are using pata still?
iMacs started using SATA for the HDD back in 2004. PATA is(was?) only for the SuperDrive. Unless you are planning to replace the optical drive with a 2.5? HDD/SSD I don?t see it as an issue.
Does the new iMac come in any flavor besides Vanilla?
When you've got the best, you don't need the rest!
Wow! You got a friend? ... Who knew? And your friend bought a MBP ... a smart friend to boot ... what is this world coming to?
bty ...is Sarbucks the PC equivalent to Starbucks, you know, a wannabe Starbucks kind of thing?
I need confirmation on something. You say you are 67, correct? You also just replied to my post with, " You got a friend? ... Who knew?" correct? You then nitpicked my misspelling of Starbucks, correct? So I have to ask, "You are 67, correct?"
Most users are going to x64 systems. In many cases x64 comes preloaded and most users don't even know the difference. I really can't defend the netbook market. When you pay 300.00 for a computer you cant really ask for much.
As far as booting most of that is because of bios vs EFI. EFI is always going to be faster but for some odd reason we are still using bios. Kind of like Firewire being faster yet even Apple appears to be going the route of USB. Even SJ said everyone is using USB. Better doent always get supported.
To me it doesn't matter if the hardware is the same because I can add three times the hardware at the same cost. However booting is just part of the picture. I can run huge applications at the same time with no issue at all. I care more about how fast my system is once it is up rather then at boot. Fact is most of us dont boot anyways we sleep our systems.
A larger battery pack is not what I am taking about. Makers like Sony and even HP and Dell are using the same 4 or 6 cell battery and getting a good charge time. Sony is using LED screens and you can switch from dedicated video to shared which saves power. This really isnt rocket science.
Here is a good review I saw today about Windows 7. Hits on some good point of Windows but also has an interesting last note about Apple.
http://www.usnews.com/money/business...windows-7.html
good article and basically the same I have read about Windows 7, unfortunately Microsoft left bad taste in people's mouth and Windows 7 benchmark is being set so much higher now.
One issue I have is, you know that majority of your core customers have not moved to Vista, but still using XP/XP professional, why is the upgrade so tentative?
Maybe MS could not provide a smoother transition, but I not sure if they tried to look at that issue, I maybe wrong.
Most users are going to x64 systems. In many cases x64 comes preloaded and most users don't even know the difference. I really can't defend the netbook market. When you pay 300.00 for a computer you cant really ask for much.
But you get more OS marketshare because of those cheap machines. The $400 notebooks give you a lot more performance and capacity for only a little more money. Even dual core, though in a Pentium. Can’t ask for much on these machines either, but a sale of Windows is a sale of Windows; it will likely jump up a little in marketshare this quarter, despite Apple once again getting record sales. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS.
As far as booting most of that is because of bios vs EFI. EFI is always going to be faster but for some odd reason we are still using bios. Kind of like Firewire being faster yet even Apple appears to be going the route of USB. Even SJ said everyone is using USB. Better doent always get supported.
Apple has dropped FW400, not FireWire itself. This was a long time coming, just look at the systematic dropping from the iPod and iPhone.
That last line I find ironic since you’re been arguing that Windows higher marketshare signifies that it must be better.
To me it doesn't matter if the hardware is the same because I can add three times the hardware at the same cost. However booting is just part of the picture. I can run huge applications at the same time with no issue at all. I care more about how fast my system is once it is up rather then at boot. Fact is most of us dont boot anyways we sleep our systems.
You have a desktop tower, why wouldn’t you be able to add more/better HW at a lower cost? Apple only has one tower that is designed as a workstation. It really shouldn’t be a Mac as it’s really a consumer geared machine. ALL of Apple’s other offerings, which regular Mac users by have trade offs for the compactness and portability. You made a comment yesterday about notebook users in Panera are beneath you. Why you think notebook users are scum is beyond me. I don’t need or want a desktop. It would limit my productivity severely. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!
A larger battery pack is not what I am taking about. Makers like Sony and even HP and Dell are using the same 4 or 6 cell battery and getting a good charge time. Sony is using LED screens and you can switch from dedicated video to shared which saves power. This really isnt rocket science.
Same HW, including battery with same mAh gets more run time from Mac OS X than from Windows. Battery life should mean nothing to you since you think notebooks are foolish anyway.
Also, The same machine that differentiates from an Intel to AMD CPU gets more run time from Intel, especially with notebook chips. Check out AnandTech.
But you get more OS marketshare because of those cheap machines. The $400 notebooks give you a lot more performance and capacity for only a little more money. Even dual core, though in a Pentium. Can?t ask for much on these machines either, but a sale of Windows is a sale of Windows; it will likely jump up a little in marketshare this quarter, despite Apple once again getting record sales. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS.
Apple has dropped FW400, not FireWire itself. This was a long time coming, just look at the systematic dropping from the iPod and iPhone.
That last line I find ironic since you?re been arguing that Windows higher marketshare signifies that it must be better.
You have a desktop tower, why wouldn?t you be able to add more/better HW at a lower cost? Apple only has one tower that is designed as a workstation. It really shouldn?t be a Mac as it?s really a consumer geared machine. ALL of Apple?s other offerings, which regular Mac users by have trade offs for the compactness and portability. You made a comment yesterday about notebook users in Panera are beneath you. Why you think notebook users are scum is beyond me. I don?t need or want a desktop. It would limit my productivity severely. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!
Same HW, including battery with same mAh gets more run time from Mac OS X than from Windows. Battery life should mean nothing to you since you think notebooks are foolish anyway.
Also, The same machine that differentiates from an Intel to AMD CPU gets more run time from Intel, especially with notebook chips. Check out AnandTech.
I'm fairly certain I didn't make a comment about notebook users. Who on earth doesn't use a notebook some of the time? I work for IBM I use a notebook and doc station all the time.
I need confirmation on something. You say you are 67, correct? You also just replied to my post with, " You got a friend? ... Who knew?" correct? You then nitpicked my misspelling of Starbucks, correct? So I have to ask, "You are 67, correct?"
actually, you missed the part, he used bty instead of btw.
That was lame by Newbee
Well at least we know you are safe with and idiot proof computer. It was made for you. As for viruses you are right they are just something you hear about in Apple ads in reality these day a dangerous virus is far more of a myth then reality. Apple needs to update their 1980 attack plan.
Your right, when it comes to computing, I'm an idiot ... didn't start until I was in my late 50s. But I was smart enough to get something that was appropriate for someone who doesn't want to "know how it works", just as long as it does work. I also know how to tell the difference between "buying cheap" and "getting value". That's why my choice has been, and always will be a Mac, unless they give me a reason to change my mind.
And as for "Apple's 1980 attack plan" .... If it ain't broke, ... don't fix it.
good article and basically the same I have read about Windows 7, unfortunately Microsoft left bad taste in people's mouth and Windows 7 benchmark is being set so much higher now.
One issue I have is, you know that majority of your core customers have not moved to Vista, but still using XP/XP professional, why is the upgrade so tentative?
Maybe MS could not provide a smoother transition, but I not sure if they tried to look at that issue, I maybe wrong.
Windows users have never been as big into upgrading as Apple users. I am not sure why but that has always been the case and I expect it will be that way in the future. People tend to upgrade when they get a new system. However from what I read today Windows 7 preorders have been pretty amazing and that is expected to continue into 2010.
I run Vista x64 on all my windows systems and honestly I'm not in any hurry to move to Windows 7. Being in IT all my life one thing I learned a long time ago is never be one fo the people to rush to the store when something is first released. Vista really didn't because good until SP1. After SP1 I have had no issues. Cant really say that before SP1. However when Leopard came out I really had issues that that also. Wasn't until about version 3 I felt it was in good shape. Yet again my opinion and experience with both operating systems.
I will give Windows 7 about six months and then take another look at it. I am thinking of getting another Macbook pro maybe 13" this time so that will be my first Snow Leopard machine.