LOL. If this wasn't so sad it would be funny. The general concensus on the internet is the ads are pathetic and sad, not to mention a simple repeat of the same old ads. People like you have been saying MS has been on a downslide for years and ten years ago people like you said they wouldnt be around yet here they still are with the same market share they have always enjoyed. Ten years from now it will be the same story.
Maybe decades from now MS won't have the leading OS but decades have proven it won't be Apple that unseats them. I have history to back my up statement you have nothing but a fantasy future to try and back up yours.
If you understood Apple's business model, you would know that Apple is not focused on being dominant OS, ever though it would be nice. Apple is focused on providing quality products that gives it a very good return and provides great customer care to ensure continued support by their customers.
Apple is like ICON in electronics world, everyone even the people who hate Apple, want to know what Apple is releasing next and it generates so much 'energy' in the news.
You keep shouting that 'market share' idea to us and I shout you 'record breaking profits', 'premium market' and as Apple shareholder, I am very happy with my investment at moment (been with Apple since 1999).
If it talks like a MS supporter and sounds like a MS supporter..Hmmm
Your view is so slanted its amazing. HP, Sony and Dell all make a wide range of products unlike Apple. You can buy an HP netbook for 300.00 or one of their top of the line notebooks for over 2000.00. Same goes with Dell from a mini all the way to an XPS. I have no clue where you get these companies only sell bargain basement systems. You are so ignorant.
As for the Apple experience, Apple sells a system for 599.00 and a Macbook for 999.00 clearly not out of the range of most consumers. If someone really wanted to by an Apple product and use OSX they could buy a mini and monitor for well under a 1000.00. So its not like people cant afford it or cant buy it many choose not too. Just because you blow your load everytime you think about Apple doesnt mean everyone else does.
People may not want an AOI or have to spend 2700.00 to get a 17" notebook. Apples options are very limited hardware wise and even more so software wise. Your talking about some users experience that only exists between your ears.
You talk abot the herd, Apple is known for having one of the biggest extremist cult following around. So when you hear sheep look in the mirror because its you making the noise.
APPLE in its market of $1000. plus computers owns a %91 market share
for the 500 dollar dells that end costing 940 after all the extra's like an OS and stuff like that you must be joking because over 5 yrs add 300 or for virus protection
first off IT guys hate apple because you can't screw APPLE clients with $70. an hr fee's when apple's machine rarely breakdown SO f u dude you suck and so does all your IT group
i watched for yrs all the BS moves you guys pulled
while my macs always worked
apples SW is fantastic
we do not crash or lose data
we do not get attacked by bugs or viruses
we enjoy from the moment we buy a mac a ton of free SW that you guys to pay for
we have no BLOATWARE EITHER we buy a mac and in minutes it works
Microsoft posted a quarterly profit of $3.57 billion so I don't understand the point of throwing around Apple numbers. Like you said the numbers mean nothing. Throwing them around really isn't going to get anybody anywhere
well, actually I was answering a post by extremeskater stating that not having any profit would be a bad thing, obviously, and I was just pointing out, for his benefit, that Apple, indeed, does make a profit. in fact, a very nice profit.
But you're right, throwing numbers around can be very misleading and so, for that reason, should only be "taken with a grain of salt".
For instance, I could point out to you that, using the numbers that you supplied and the numbers supplied in Apple's recent filing, that M$, with a customer base 9-10 times larger that Apple, only saw a profit of just over 2 times Apple. Would those numbers mean anything? ...... Maybe not, but when you combine recent M$ behavior, trying to copy Ipod success with Zune, trying to copy Apple retail success, even going so far as buying/stealing/enticing Apple retail employees to switch to M$( they will get switchers one way or another), actually targeting Apple's retail locations by mimicking (I'm so tired of that word copying, aren't you?) Apple locations. I'd have to believe that Steve Ballmer has looked at all these numbers and reached the same conclusion that I have, i.e., that we both prefer Apple's business model.
If you understood Apple's business model, you would know that Apple is not focused on being dominant OS, ever though it would be nice. Apple is focused on providing quality products that gives it a very good return and provides great customer care to ensure continued support by their customers.
Apple is like ICON in electronics world, everyone even the people who hate Apple, want to know what Apple is releasing next and it generates so much 'energy' in the news.
You keep shouting that 'market share' idea to us and I shout you 'record breaking profits', 'premium market' and as Apple shareholder, I am very happy with my investment at moment (been with Apple since 1999).
If it talks like a MS supporter and sounds like a MS supporter..Hmmm
It isnt very hard to understand Apple's business model. Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company. Apple does not gernerate that much news for the exception of the Apple crowd. Windows 7 have gained far more media attention and if you asked 80% of computer users what Snow Leopard was they wouldn't have a clue.
I am not the one spouting record breaking profits or premium market other users are, I don't agree Apple has a premium market.
I don't support or not support anyone. We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
I own stock in many companies but Apple users are the only ones that go around calling themselves shareholders even if whey own 10 freaking shares of stock. Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
I see more people with Dell computers doing business than your Mac showoff. It's a stereotype just like ArtieMacStrawman.
There are a lot more Dells out there than Macs. That said, I go to several major computer conferences every year and several major science conferences every year (and a couple that intersect) and there are always a *lot* of people visibly doing business on apple laptops...
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actually Mac ads have been attacking/lampooning Windows consistently for years now. all while Mac sales have been growing significantly thanks to "switchers." which unarguably proves it works if done well
Not that I don't think the commercials are effective, but that may be overstating things a bit.
It isnt very hard to understand Apple's business model. Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company. Apple does not gernerate that much news for the exception of the Apple crowd. Windows 7 have gained far more media attention and if you asked 80% of computer users what Snow Leopard was they wouldn't have a clue.
I am not the one spouting record breaking profits or premium market other users are, I don't agree Apple has a premium market.
I don't support or not support anyone. We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
I own stock in many companies but Apple users are the only ones that go around calling themselves shareholders even if whey own 10 freaking shares of stock. Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
Extremeskater ... You bring up a couple of points that I think that I might be able to "shed some light on" due to my experience with Apple. (not that that always counts for anything)
First, you're correct in identifying M$ as primarily a software company and Apple as primarily a hardware company. The thing is ... Apple uses a completely different OS and one that is unique to Apple's hardware, so, in that light, it makes perfect sense for Apple to aggressively compare, as favorably as they can, their OS to M$ OS. (if people buy their software, they automatically, in most cases, buy their hardware.
Secondly ... and I'll have to use all of your quote here ....."We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy."
I can tell you I used to feel exactly like that when my daughter bought her (our) first computer ... I didn't think we even "needed" one. She asked me which one she should buy and the only advice I had for her was ... if you're using windows at work, you should use Mac at home because, in my experience, this "first" computer will be like my "first" guitar ... you will outgrow it quickly and when it's time to buy you're second "real" computer..... you will have more experience with both systems and will be more able to make "the right choice" .... That's why we both own Macs today.
The funny thing is, after learning and using a Mac, I was completely in awe of what we both could accomplish and invariably every new discovery led me to something else I could fall in love with. I do things today I never thought I would be interested in, or capable of doing. Mac has awakened a dormant creative side of me that was put to sleep by the pressures of responsibilities, i.e. earning a living, raising a family, etc. etc.( I've always been jealous of those that found a way to do both).
To make a long story short (oops, too late) ... Am I passionate about computers? ... In my case, definitely yes. It has given color to my life and to a lot of other people I know. Is it the most important thing in my life? ... Hell no. I understand if you only consider computers "are tools we use to get something done" .... It seems we both "get things done". I guess the only difference is, "what things do we get done?" ... My wish for you, and everyone else actually, is that you discover, for yourself, something you might enjoy on your computer as much as I enjoy the stuff I do on mine.
Last point: I would never go into your "house" and "trash" talk it ... your house is your house and it is your choice to live there or not. I might not agree, but it is your choice, none the less.
But if anyone comes into my house, in this case, appleinsider, and trashes my choice, then you should expect a passionate and spirited exchange of opinions. I'm out, my football game (BC Lions) is starting. Good luck and happy computing.
... One thing I can promise you there isn't anything anyone can say to me on the net that can get me all amped up the way you appear to be, you're defensive not me.
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... Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
... Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
Not all amped up, eh?
With comments like these and the frantic pace at which you've been posting the last couple of days, you seem plenty amped up to me. Oh, and, it seems pretty obvious that plenty of Windows users do get plenty upset if you insult their computer, otherwise, why all the uproar about the Apple ads?
Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company.
Because Apple is actually, primarily, a software company. They just happen to use hardware sales to subsidize their software development.
With comments like these and the frantic pace at which you've been posting the last couple of days, you seem plenty amped up to me. Oh, and, it seems pretty obvious that plenty of Windows users do get plenty upset if you insult their computer, otherwise, why all the uproar about the Apple ads?
If Windows users get upset because people insult their computer then they need to get their heads checked alot. Like I said a computer is a tool its used to get work done (and play games of course) its not something to fall in love with.
With that being said it will make you happy to know tonight I made an donation at my local Apple store buying a new Macbook Pro 13" and an iPod touch for my daughter. So I can't be that much of an Apple hater.
Also if you haven't been the the Apple store the new iMacs are really nice. The 21.5 inch model is very nice compared to the old 20 inch the new screen blows away the old TN screen. The 27" just look enormous its almost funny to see the small wireless keyboard in front of it. One downside I can't say I am a fan of the new mouse. Im not sure why Apple cant build a decent mouse.
Also the new white Macbook for some reason was hard to turn down. Just something about the new look was cool. However for only 200.00 more you really have to go with the Pro not sure why Apple made the pricing so close.
If Windows users get upset because people insult their computer then they need to get their heads checked alot. Like I said a computer is a tool its used to get work done (and play games of course) its not something to fall in love with.
People seem to fall in love with buildings, cars, and many other engineering marvels. Better to love useful (read:well engineered) art than love art for art’s sake, IMO.
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Also the new white Macbook for some reason was hard to turn down. Just something about the new look was cool. However for only 200.00 more you really have to go with the Pro not sure why Apple made the pricing so close.
The price is actually $250 different if you upgrade the 13” MBP from the default 160GB to the 250GB HDD found in the new MB. Still, I’d go for the 13” MBP.
The price is actually $250 different if you upgrade the 13? MBP from the default 160GB to the 250GB HDD found in the new MB. Still, I?d go for the 13? MBP.
The one thing I am finding hard to understand is why Apple felt the need need to eliminate something simple like the SD slot and IR. I could live without the backlit keyboard but I find a build in SD fairly handy.
The one thing I am finding hard to understand is why Apple felt the need need to eliminate something simple like the SD slot and IR. I could live without the backlit keyboard but I find a build in SD fairly handy.
SD card slot was never on the MB. What is missing, HW wise over the last model, is the IR port, battery status indicator, stand alone mic jack (integrated with headphone jack now), and FW400, which is a dead port interface to Apple that has been a long time coming.
The iMac just got the SD card slot for the first time and the last 13 and 15” MBPs got them on their last update about 6 months ago. I don’t think any other Macs have them at this point.
SD card slot was never on the MB. What is missing, HW wise over the last model, is the IR port, battery status indicator, stand alone mic jack (integrated with headphone jack now), and FW400, which is a dead port interface to Apple that has been a long time coming.
The iMac just got the SD card slot for the first time and the last 13 and 15? MBPs got them on their last update about 6 months ago. I don?t think any other Macs have them at this point.
Okay I never owned a macbook didn't realize older models didn't have SD. For some reason the new iMacs just had a look and feel like they made a nice jump from the last model. I still wish they would get rid of the glass which is really the only thing from keeping me from getting another one. I had a gen 1 AL iMac and I keep having problems with dust getting between the glass and lcd. Not sure if that problem has been resolved but I don't feel like taking the chance again.
Apple was reall good about it as usual, I had the machine for 4 month and I was talking to the manager one day and she told me to just bring it in if I was unhappy and they would either give me my money back or swap it for something else. They even swapped it for a more expensive macbook pro and didnt charge me a cent extra.
I still wish they would get rid of the glass which is really the only thing from keeping me from getting another one. I had a gen 1 AL iMac and I keep having problems with dust getting between the glass and lcd. Not sure if that problem has been resolved but I don't feel like taking the chance again. .
The glass is only held on by magnets and it’s the first thing to take off if you repair/upgrade the internals. A couple of suction cups, which iFixit sells, and you not only have access to the space between the LCD panel and the glass, but can also a non-glossy display, if that is your preference. Of course, that is with the caveat of an unsightly border where the glass use to be.
It isnt very hard to understand Apple's business model. Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company. Apple does not gernerate that much news for the exception of the Apple crowd. Windows 7 have gained far more media attention and if you asked 80% of computer users what Snow Leopard was they wouldn't have a clue.
I am not the one spouting record breaking profits or premium market other users are, I don't agree Apple has a premium market.
I don't support or not support anyone. We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
I own stock in many companies but Apple users are the only ones that go around calling themselves shareholders even if whey own 10 freaking shares of stock. Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
This were I can not respect your opinion, since I provided links concerning the premium market and you ever have not taken the time to read them or just ignore the information provided to you.
You are the one srouting '95 %marketshare' every time and we all agree that is true, but when I show you it means crap at moment, when related to profits etc. It falls on deaf ears.
As for the shares comments, I own lot more than 500 shares, since I got mine 10 years ago at $16 per share.
Edit. Sorry the typing looks bad. Click turned off on iPhone to reduce lag in forums.
Which us why, if the msft courier is true this will mark the first time msft has built a computer. 100% control. The msft ads caused apple to reduce prices and quad the iMac.
What fo you think will happen when people stat realizing windows 7 is great compared to the 65% of XP users or if courier is true or both are true. Apple will be seen as a company lying.
Now imagine word getting out that in every retail store leopard was not updated for almost 7 months after it's release on the back of house computer or that they run virus software?
And I use macs 99.9% of the time.
Apple had better be careful. Beta testing win 7 on od hardware ran fast. Drivers that took more than a year to come out for vista and my high end FireWire audio interface worked out of the box. And sp2 for vista, fixed most of theIt problems.
I've been right 100% of the time, all the way back to when users were pro users and not iPhone users and said they would one day use intel as ppc was to slow and old. Yet everyone said no way. And we still have no flash on iPhone meaning no iTunes sales, still no midrange machine, headless and still no dvr on apple tv again, iTunes
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Here, I'll try to dumb it down for you.
If I build an OS that is designed to go only on machines that I make and you design an OS to go on every freakin' machine in the world, that guarantees two things.
1. you will outsell me every time ... more machines = more OS sales.
2. I will design a better OS, every time ... because I design "both gloves for the same set of hands".... hardware & software, whereas you have to dumb down your OS to run on every POS out there. Do you finally "get it"?
As a consumer, you don't need anti-virus. As an enterprise, especially a highly visible likely target of attack - Apple would be stupid not to run AV. Windows is just so difficult to protect that it leaves the user open to attack. The difference is like the difference between armoring a battleship that is likely to get heavy shelling and having to patch up an archaic, leaky, patchwork canoe that has ridiculously bloated up to the size of an oceanliner.
Microsoft was so big so early that they couldn't risk alienating everyone by starting over a la Apple with OS X. Likewise, they don't control the hardware, so a more or less elegant bridge solution such as Apple's 'Classic' was also not possible.
Windows 7 is likely a good step in the right direction, and even Vista on my BC partition has not been God-awful. Nonetheless, I still get too many problems (printer not recognized after previously being recognized, etc.). Vista works for running FO3 or Aion, but I'd be terrified to trust Windows with my important daily life stuff. Windows just can't solve the problems it has - how could it? It has to deal with infinite hardware and software combinations and it was never meant to be a network OS.
For me, it's just not worth the time for me to have to constantly get Windows to do what it's supposed to do or to get it to play nice with software or peripherals. I don't want to be an amateur IT Tech and it's worth it to me to pay a little extra to abdicate the maintenance buy-in that Windows requires. The trade off is that I pay a higher price for hardware and I can only buy what Apple decides to build (i.e. no Mac netbook). That's worth the trade to me, but I can certainly see why it isn't that way for everyone.
As for the ads, they basically say 'come over to Mac, it's easier here.' Windows 7 can't change that. Through negligence, Apple could bece as problematic as Windows, but Windows can NEVER achieve the elegance and transparency and 'it-just-works-ness' that Mac can. Fundamentally different business models lead inexorably to different ends.
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..no one is right 100% of the time, that's why we are human
We weren't going by revenue we were looking at revenue to profit ratio. Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit. Go back and look at the post.
You know what worries me the most? if win turns out to sell awesome
and is leaps above XP, it is and every indicator points it is going to do well, Apple comes across as liars. Not to mention if it eve got out macs retail stores didn't update to leopard for almost 7 months after the release for their time clock, daily d, ordering computer combined with they run virus software, I think thst would be huge. Now add in The Courier is Msfts first ever computer that they control and this spells trouble.
Theses adverts look desperate and yet because of microsifts ads, we now gave quad iMacs and reduced prices. We all win.
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LOL. If this wasn't so sad it would be funny. The general concensus on the internet is the ads are pathetic and sad, not to mention a simple repeat of the same old ads. People like you have been saying MS has been on a downslide for years and ten years ago people like you said they wouldnt be around yet here they still are with the same market share they have always enjoyed. Ten years from now it will be the same story.
Maybe decades from now MS won't have the leading OS but decades have proven it won't be Apple that unseats them. I have history to back my up statement you have nothing but a fantasy future to try and back up yours.
If you understood Apple's business model, you would know that Apple is not focused on being dominant OS, ever though it would be nice. Apple is focused on providing quality products that gives it a very good return and provides great customer care to ensure continued support by their customers.
Apple is like ICON in electronics world, everyone even the people who hate Apple, want to know what Apple is releasing next and it generates so much 'energy' in the news.
You keep shouting that 'market share' idea to us and I shout you 'record breaking profits', 'premium market' and as Apple shareholder, I am very happy with my investment at moment (been with Apple since 1999).
If it talks like a MS supporter and sounds like a MS supporter..Hmmm
Your view is so slanted its amazing. HP, Sony and Dell all make a wide range of products unlike Apple. You can buy an HP netbook for 300.00 or one of their top of the line notebooks for over 2000.00. Same goes with Dell from a mini all the way to an XPS. I have no clue where you get these companies only sell bargain basement systems. You are so ignorant.
As for the Apple experience, Apple sells a system for 599.00 and a Macbook for 999.00 clearly not out of the range of most consumers. If someone really wanted to by an Apple product and use OSX they could buy a mini and monitor for well under a 1000.00. So its not like people cant afford it or cant buy it many choose not too. Just because you blow your load everytime you think about Apple doesnt mean everyone else does.
People may not want an AOI or have to spend 2700.00 to get a 17" notebook. Apples options are very limited hardware wise and even more so software wise. Your talking about some users experience that only exists between your ears.
You talk abot the herd, Apple is known for having one of the biggest extremist cult following around. So when you hear sheep look in the mirror because its you making the noise.
APPLE in its market of $1000. plus computers owns a %91 market share
for the 500 dollar dells that end costing 940 after all the extra's like an OS and stuff like that you must be joking because over 5 yrs add 300 or for virus protection
first off IT guys hate apple because you can't screw APPLE clients with $70. an hr fee's when apple's machine rarely breakdown SO f u dude you suck and so does all your IT group
i watched for yrs all the BS moves you guys pulled
while my macs always worked
apples SW is fantastic
we do not crash or lose data
we do not get attacked by bugs or viruses
we enjoy from the moment we buy a mac a ton of free SW that you guys to pay for
we have no BLOATWARE EITHER we buy a mac and in minutes it works
can YOU SAY THE SAME about5 dell/win7 ??
of course dell and hp do make some fine computers
sadly 2 day tech help waits are the norm
apple macs simply work
and why are you on a apple site anyway ??
go enjoy MSFT all you want
we all wish you well
good bye
peace dude
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Microsoft posted a quarterly profit of $3.57 billion so I don't understand the point of throwing around Apple numbers. Like you said the numbers mean nothing. Throwing them around really isn't going to get anybody anywhere
well, actually I was answering a post by extremeskater stating that not having any profit would be a bad thing, obviously, and I was just pointing out, for his benefit, that Apple, indeed, does make a profit. in fact, a very nice profit.
But you're right, throwing numbers around can be very misleading and so, for that reason, should only be "taken with a grain of salt".
For instance, I could point out to you that, using the numbers that you supplied and the numbers supplied in Apple's recent filing, that M$, with a customer base 9-10 times larger that Apple, only saw a profit of just over 2 times Apple. Would those numbers mean anything? ...... Maybe not, but when you combine recent M$ behavior, trying to copy Ipod success with Zune, trying to copy Apple retail success, even going so far as buying/stealing/enticing Apple retail employees to switch to M$( they will get switchers one way or another), actually targeting Apple's retail locations by mimicking (I'm so tired of that word copying, aren't you?) Apple locations. I'd have to believe that Steve Ballmer has looked at all these numbers and reached the same conclusion that I have, i.e., that we both prefer Apple's business model.
I don't know .... what do you think?
If you understood Apple's business model, you would know that Apple is not focused on being dominant OS, ever though it would be nice. Apple is focused on providing quality products that gives it a very good return and provides great customer care to ensure continued support by their customers.
Apple is like ICON in electronics world, everyone even the people who hate Apple, want to know what Apple is releasing next and it generates so much 'energy' in the news.
You keep shouting that 'market share' idea to us and I shout you 'record breaking profits', 'premium market' and as Apple shareholder, I am very happy with my investment at moment (been with Apple since 1999).
If it talks like a MS supporter and sounds like a MS supporter..Hmmm
It isnt very hard to understand Apple's business model. Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company. Apple does not gernerate that much news for the exception of the Apple crowd. Windows 7 have gained far more media attention and if you asked 80% of computer users what Snow Leopard was they wouldn't have a clue.
I am not the one spouting record breaking profits or premium market other users are, I don't agree Apple has a premium market.
I don't support or not support anyone. We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
I own stock in many companies but Apple users are the only ones that go around calling themselves shareholders even if whey own 10 freaking shares of stock. Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
I see more people with Dell computers doing business than your Mac showoff. It's a stereotype just like ArtieMacStrawman.
There are a lot more Dells out there than Macs. That said, I go to several major computer conferences every year and several major science conferences every year (and a couple that intersect) and there are always a *lot* of people visibly doing business on apple laptops...
actually Mac ads have been attacking/lampooning Windows consistently for years now. all while Mac sales have been growing significantly thanks to "switchers." which unarguably proves it works if done well
Not that I don't think the commercials are effective, but that may be overstating things a bit.
Correlation does not equal causation
It isnt very hard to understand Apple's business model. Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company. Apple does not gernerate that much news for the exception of the Apple crowd. Windows 7 have gained far more media attention and if you asked 80% of computer users what Snow Leopard was they wouldn't have a clue.
I am not the one spouting record breaking profits or premium market other users are, I don't agree Apple has a premium market.
I don't support or not support anyone. We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
I own stock in many companies but Apple users are the only ones that go around calling themselves shareholders even if whey own 10 freaking shares of stock. Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
Extremeskater ... You bring up a couple of points that I think that I might be able to "shed some light on" due to my experience with Apple. (not that that always counts for anything)
First, you're correct in identifying M$ as primarily a software company and Apple as primarily a hardware company. The thing is ... Apple uses a completely different OS and one that is unique to Apple's hardware, so, in that light, it makes perfect sense for Apple to aggressively compare, as favorably as they can, their OS to M$ OS. (if people buy their software, they automatically, in most cases, buy their hardware.
Secondly ... and I'll have to use all of your quote here ....."We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy."
I can tell you I used to feel exactly like that when my daughter bought her (our) first computer ... I didn't think we even "needed" one. She asked me which one she should buy and the only advice I had for her was ... if you're using windows at work, you should use Mac at home because, in my experience, this "first" computer will be like my "first" guitar ... you will outgrow it quickly and when it's time to buy you're second "real" computer..... you will have more experience with both systems and will be more able to make "the right choice" .... That's why we both own Macs today.
The funny thing is, after learning and using a Mac, I was completely in awe of what we both could accomplish and invariably every new discovery led me to something else I could fall in love with. I do things today I never thought I would be interested in, or capable of doing. Mac has awakened a dormant creative side of me that was put to sleep by the pressures of responsibilities, i.e. earning a living, raising a family, etc. etc.( I've always been jealous of those that found a way to do both).
To make a long story short (oops, too late) ... Am I passionate about computers? ... In my case, definitely yes. It has given color to my life and to a lot of other people I know. Is it the most important thing in my life? ... Hell no. I understand if you only consider computers "are tools we use to get something done" .... It seems we both "get things done". I guess the only difference is, "what things do we get done?" ... My wish for you, and everyone else actually, is that you discover, for yourself, something you might enjoy on your computer as much as I enjoy the stuff I do on mine.
Last point: I would never go into your "house" and "trash" talk it ... your house is your house and it is your choice to live there or not. I might not agree, but it is your choice, none the less.
But if anyone comes into my house, in this case, appleinsider, and trashes my choice, then you should expect a passionate and spirited exchange of opinions. I'm out, my football game (BC Lions) is starting. Good luck and happy computing.
So let's Try this:
Buy an iMac for 1699.00 go to the egg and buy an oem copy of windows 7 for $99
Partition that 1TB hard drive into two 500G drives.
Install a Fresh copy of Windows 7 on 2nd 500G partition.
Now Take 1699 + 99 = 1798.00 Now DIVIDE by 2
NOW, you have a iMac with a 27" screen on killer hardware.
AND, you have a Killer new Windows 7 PC on killer hardware.
Now, back to the math problem. You now have TWO computers in one machine.
You paid 899.00 for the mac, and 899.00 for the PC. = 1798.
There's your 899.00 price point for a mac.....
... One thing I can promise you there isn't anything anyone can say to me on the net that can get me all amped up the way you appear to be, you're defensive not me.
... Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
... Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
Not all amped up, eh?
With comments like these and the frantic pace at which you've been posting the last couple of days, you seem plenty amped up to me. Oh, and, it seems pretty obvious that plenty of Windows users do get plenty upset if you insult their computer, otherwise, why all the uproar about the Apple ads?
Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company.
Because Apple is actually, primarily, a software company. They just happen to use hardware sales to subsidize their software development.
Not all amped up, eh?
With comments like these and the frantic pace at which you've been posting the last couple of days, you seem plenty amped up to me. Oh, and, it seems pretty obvious that plenty of Windows users do get plenty upset if you insult their computer, otherwise, why all the uproar about the Apple ads?
If Windows users get upset because people insult their computer then they need to get their heads checked alot. Like I said a computer is a tool its used to get work done (and play games of course) its not something to fall in love with.
With that being said it will make you happy to know tonight I made an donation at my local Apple store buying a new Macbook Pro 13" and an iPod touch for my daughter. So I can't be that much of an Apple hater.
Also if you haven't been the the Apple store the new iMacs are really nice. The 21.5 inch model is very nice compared to the old 20 inch the new screen blows away the old TN screen. The 27" just look enormous its almost funny to see the small wireless keyboard in front of it. One downside I can't say I am a fan of the new mouse. Im not sure why Apple cant build a decent mouse.
Also the new white Macbook for some reason was hard to turn down. Just something about the new look was cool. However for only 200.00 more you really have to go with the Pro not sure why Apple made the pricing so close.
If Windows users get upset because people insult their computer then they need to get their heads checked alot. Like I said a computer is a tool its used to get work done (and play games of course) its not something to fall in love with.
People seem to fall in love with buildings, cars, and many other engineering marvels. Better to love useful (read:well engineered) art than love art for art’s sake, IMO.
Also the new white Macbook for some reason was hard to turn down. Just something about the new look was cool. However for only 200.00 more you really have to go with the Pro not sure why Apple made the pricing so close.
The price is actually $250 different if you upgrade the 13” MBP from the default 160GB to the 250GB HDD found in the new MB. Still, I’d go for the 13” MBP.
The price is actually $250 different if you upgrade the 13? MBP from the default 160GB to the 250GB HDD found in the new MB. Still, I?d go for the 13? MBP.
The one thing I am finding hard to understand is why Apple felt the need need to eliminate something simple like the SD slot and IR. I could live without the backlit keyboard but I find a build in SD fairly handy.
The one thing I am finding hard to understand is why Apple felt the need need to eliminate something simple like the SD slot and IR. I could live without the backlit keyboard but I find a build in SD fairly handy.
SD card slot was never on the MB. What is missing, HW wise over the last model, is the IR port, battery status indicator, stand alone mic jack (integrated with headphone jack now), and FW400, which is a dead port interface to Apple that has been a long time coming.
The iMac just got the SD card slot for the first time and the last 13 and 15” MBPs got them on their last update about 6 months ago. I don’t think any other Macs have them at this point.
SD card slot was never on the MB. What is missing, HW wise over the last model, is the IR port, battery status indicator, stand alone mic jack (integrated with headphone jack now), and FW400, which is a dead port interface to Apple that has been a long time coming.
The iMac just got the SD card slot for the first time and the last 13 and 15? MBPs got them on their last update about 6 months ago. I don?t think any other Macs have them at this point.
Okay I never owned a macbook didn't realize older models didn't have SD. For some reason the new iMacs just had a look and feel like they made a nice jump from the last model. I still wish they would get rid of the glass which is really the only thing from keeping me from getting another one. I had a gen 1 AL iMac and I keep having problems with dust getting between the glass and lcd. Not sure if that problem has been resolved but I don't feel like taking the chance again.
Apple was reall good about it as usual, I had the machine for 4 month and I was talking to the manager one day and she told me to just bring it in if I was unhappy and they would either give me my money back or swap it for something else. They even swapped it for a more expensive macbook pro and didnt charge me a cent extra.
I still wish they would get rid of the glass which is really the only thing from keeping me from getting another one. I had a gen 1 AL iMac and I keep having problems with dust getting between the glass and lcd. Not sure if that problem has been resolved but I don't feel like taking the chance again. .
The glass is only held on by magnets and it’s the first thing to take off if you repair/upgrade the internals. A couple of suction cups, which iFixit sells, and you not only have access to the space between the LCD panel and the glass, but can also a non-glossy display, if that is your preference. Of course, that is with the caveat of an unsightly border where the glass use to be.
It isnt very hard to understand Apple's business model. Many users even on this forum say that Apple is primarily a hardware company and I agree with that statement. Then the question is why are all the ads agains MS which is a software company. Apple does not gernerate that much news for the exception of the Apple crowd. Windows 7 have gained far more media attention and if you asked 80% of computer users what Snow Leopard was they wouldn't have a clue.
I am not the one spouting record breaking profits or premium market other users are, I don't agree Apple has a premium market.
I don't support or not support anyone. We are talking about computers and computers in my eyes are tools we use to get something done. They are not things to fall in love with and get all upset over. Apple users are the only people on earth that get upset if you insult their computer. That doesn't sound very healthy.
I own stock in many companies but Apple users are the only ones that go around calling themselves shareholders even if whey own 10 freaking shares of stock. Its a joke, its cult mentality and its insane.
This were I can not respect your opinion, since I provided links concerning the premium market and you ever have not taken the time to read them or just ignore the information provided to you.
You are the one srouting '95 %marketshare' every time and we all agree that is true, but when I show you it means crap at moment, when related to profits etc. It falls on deaf ears.
As for the shares comments, I own lot more than 500 shares, since I got mine 10 years ago at $16 per share.
Which us why, if the msft courier is true this will mark the first time msft has built a computer. 100% control. The msft ads caused apple to reduce prices and quad the iMac.
What fo you think will happen when people stat realizing windows 7 is great compared to the 65% of XP users or if courier is true or both are true. Apple will be seen as a company lying.
Now imagine word getting out that in every retail store leopard was not updated for almost 7 months after it's release on the back of house computer or that they run virus software?
And I use macs 99.9% of the time.
Apple had better be careful. Beta testing win 7 on od hardware ran fast. Drivers that took more than a year to come out for vista and my high end FireWire audio interface worked out of the box. And sp2 for vista, fixed most of theIt problems.
I've been right 100% of the time, all the way back to when users were pro users and not iPhone users and said they would one day use intel as ppc was to slow and old. Yet everyone said no way. And we still have no flash on iPhone meaning no iTunes sales, still no midrange machine, headless and still no dvr on apple tv again, iTunes
Here, I'll try to dumb it down for you.
If I build an OS that is designed to go only on machines that I make and you design an OS to go on every freakin' machine in the world, that guarantees two things.
1. you will outsell me every time ... more machines = more OS sales.
2. I will design a better OS, every time ... because I design "both gloves for the same set of hands".... hardware & software, whereas you have to dumb down your OS to run on every POS out there. Do you finally "get it"?
Microsoft was so big so early that they couldn't risk alienating everyone by starting over a la Apple with OS X. Likewise, they don't control the hardware, so a more or less elegant bridge solution such as Apple's 'Classic' was also not possible.
Windows 7 is likely a good step in the right direction, and even Vista on my BC partition has not been God-awful. Nonetheless, I still get too many problems (printer not recognized after previously being recognized, etc.). Vista works for running FO3 or Aion, but I'd be terrified to trust Windows with my important daily life stuff. Windows just can't solve the problems it has - how could it? It has to deal with infinite hardware and software combinations and it was never meant to be a network OS.
For me, it's just not worth the time for me to have to constantly get Windows to do what it's supposed to do or to get it to play nice with software or peripherals. I don't want to be an amateur IT Tech and it's worth it to me to pay a little extra to abdicate the maintenance buy-in that Windows requires. The trade off is that I pay a higher price for hardware and I can only buy what Apple decides to build (i.e. no Mac netbook). That's worth the trade to me, but I can certainly see why it isn't that way for everyone.
As for the ads, they basically say 'come over to Mac, it's easier here.' Windows 7 can't change that. Through negligence, Apple could bece as problematic as Windows, but Windows can NEVER achieve the elegance and transparency and 'it-just-works-ness' that Mac can. Fundamentally different business models lead inexorably to different ends.
We weren't going by revenue we were looking at revenue to profit ratio. Revenue means very little if you don't have any profit. Go back and look at the post.
You know what worries me the most? if win turns out to sell awesome
and is leaps above XP, it is and every indicator points it is going to do well, Apple comes across as liars. Not to mention if it eve got out macs retail stores didn't update to leopard for almost 7 months after the release for their time clock, daily d, ordering computer combined with they run virus software, I think thst would be huge. Now add in The Courier is Msfts first ever computer that they control and this spells trouble.
Theses adverts look desperate and yet because of microsifts ads, we now gave quad iMacs and reduced prices. We all win.
Peace.