Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x64 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
Macs are not hacked because its not worth the time to hack them.
This same naïve argument again and again.
Ask yourself, why are you here on a Mac forum ranting about how bad Apple is and how great Windows is?
Don't you think there's one hacker out there who would like to "put Apple in its place" the way you're attempting to on this forum?
Pay attention.
There are two reasons hackers write malware and viruses.
One reason is money. Many hackers want to infect as many machines as possible so that they can run spam farms and harvest information for profit. It makes sense that this type of hacker would target the platform with the largest market share.
But the other reasons hackers do what they do is for notoriety. Maybe they want to be "king of the hacker hill" or maybe they hope to land a job.
There's absolutely no reason this type of hacker wouldn't target OS X.
Just ask yourself this simple question:
Who would gain more notoriety?
A) The writer of the 648,014th widespread, successful exploit for windows, or;
The writer of the FIRST widespread, successful exploit for Mac OS X?
If you think there are no viruses for Mac because of market share, you're pretty short on logic.
I have a reason. Microsoft screwed my life. It made (and unfortunately still makes) me too stressed. With their assistance, their sub-par products and their scams. I once thought the OS world was just Windows, and all its problems were inevitable. Then I found out the real inventor of GUIs was a company, which suffered a lot when their CEO was fired by the board but was steadily recovering itself since the said CEO returned. And that they sold computers that rarely ever presented the user with so much problems, yet was based on a solid and powerful server system. I remember they had just announced the all-in-display when I became interested. Last April, I bought an alu Macbook, and while I wish I could have bought a Pro (here in Brazil the $1300 Macbook cost me $2500), and that Apple actually had official tech support over here (the authorized assistance guys are clueless), I couldn't be happier...
...and of course if I didn't have to split my HD in half to use my Windows programs. Windows 7 is better than Vista... and XP, but that is not as great as it seems when you remember that XP is now 8 years old and it is still Windows we're talking about...
Extremeskater: Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x32 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
[dissolve to further in the past...]
Extremeskater: Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x16 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
[dissolve back to present...]
Extremeskater: This time it's gonna be different, trust me.
Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
If you want me to answer the questions for you I can all you have to do is ask me too.
Malware is a non-issue for Windows . . . except that 99.9999% of malware is . . . written for Windows.
Nearly 200,000 and counting.
But it's a non-issue.
Ah you just answered part of the question for me. Good job. The reason Windows is attacked more the OSX is because most viruses are written to attack Windows not OSX. Its not that OSX is more secure its that the attacks are not directed at OSX.
The iPhone is clearly not a secure device and neither is OSX.
The iPhone is a perfect example, when Apple creates a product that is popular and has high market share it gets hacked badly. Another good example is Apple can't even make something like iTunes secure where Pre owners can sync.
Apple isn't trying to hire a new iPhone OS security manager because things are go so great.
Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
If you want me to answer the questions for you I can all you have to do is ask me too.
I suppose cracked copies of Windows don't exist.
And installing OS X on a generic PC and actually getting it to work involved a helluva lot more than simply running a crack.
As for jailbreaking an iPhone . . . someone actually has to write code to make that possible.
And installing OS X on a generic PC and actually getting it to work involved a helluva lot more than simply running a crack.
As for jailbreaking an iPhone . . . someone actually has to write code to make that possible.
No one said it was easy.
Why would you need a cracked copy of Windows? You can install it on anything, your one of the first to point that out. Your not talking about illegally downloading things again are you?
You don't think someone has to write code to create a virus? Hmmm.
Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
If you want me to answer the questions for you I can all you have to do is ask me too.
Are you really this naive? You can "hack" any system if you have physical access and the time to do it. This is, overall, possibly the weakest argument you have ever made. You really need to get a hobby, do something positive for yourself.
There are no OS X viruses in the wild. Nothing that requires any antivirus of any kind. A lot of us even have the OS X firewall turned off. Save for around two trojans (one of which doesn't really do anything) - let's be fair, and a handful of proof-of-concepts that show up every year as part of contests, and the like, that never make it out of the lab.
The fact that Mac OS X represents around 5% of the worldwide installed base of computers might explain why there are fewer Mac viruses. But it wouldn't explain why there are none. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of PC viruses, a handful of Mac OS 9 viruses, and not one for Mac OS X. There are mrore for Linux than there are for OS X. There were more for the Mac OS before OS X, when Apple had much smaller market share.
Even counting those two little Trojan horsies (two?? Might as well be zero), no malware in the wild for Macs. Nothing. There are over 50 million Mac users. It's been nine years. And nothing. The obscurity argument would hold if there were a few hundred out there in the wild. But there's nothing.
We're currently surfing the net with impunity. In complete safety because hackers just don't seem to care about the 50 million or so Mac users out there or Apple's "smug" commercials and entire ad campaign that's been going on for years?
Obscurity? I'll give that to you, even though it's hardly valid. May MS continue to market a poor, back-asswards copy of OS X that runs on every single POS box out there and presents the biggest target, while Apple remains in control of the segregated, exclusive, and oh-so-special-with-sugar-on-top Premium segment.
Either way, malware will continue to be written for Windows with no let-up. Especially now. And if Windows 7 is the Second Coming like you and the other Windows sufferers say it is, then Mac users will be surfing free and easy for a long time to come. Hey, if it works for you, it works for me, too.
Skater, skater, skater... To do an unauthorized install, you know, without a key, like installing Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware, which was part of the point you were trying to make. Maybe you're a bit crapulous this morning, though.
Skater, skater, skater... To do an unauthorized install, you know, without a key, like installing Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware, which was part of the point you were trying to make. Maybe you're a bit crapulous this morning, though.
No I'm just pointing out how naive you and your buddy Quadra are, it takes alot more then just installing OSX without a key.
If someone is attempting to install Windows without a key that just means they simply illegally download it and it takes very little to get a keycode.
Thats a big difference from walking into an Apple Store buying a legal copy of OSX and getting it to work on a PC.
Besides this isnt the point we were talking about. The point is you and your roomate Quadra keep on about how bad Windows is due to security when Windows is far more secure then OSX.
Just because something is attacked more doesn't mean its less secure, in face for the amount of times people try to attack Windows its safe to say they do a damn good job with security updates. Most people that have problems simply do not update there system on a regulare basis.
In regards to OSX the fact that Apple has over 100 fixes everytime they put out a verison update tells its far from bug free.
Most Microsoft updates are security updates or driver updates not because functions simply do not work as is the case with OSX.
There are no OS X viruses in the wild. Nothing that requires any antivirus of any kind. A lot of us even have the OS X firewall turned off. Save for around two trojans (one of which doesn't really do anything) - let's be fair, and a handful of proof-of-concepts that show up every year as part of contests, and the like, that never make it out of the lab.
The fact that Mac OS X represents around 5% of the worldwide installed base of computers might explain why there are fewer Mac viruses. But it wouldn't explain why there are none. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of PC viruses, a handful of Mac OS 9 viruses, and not one for Mac OS X. There are mrore for Linux than there are for OS X. There were more for the Mac OS before OS X, when Apple had much smaller market share.
Even counting those two little Trojan horsies (two?? Might as well be zero), no malware in the wild for Macs. Nothing. There are over 50 million Mac users. It's been nine years. And nothing. The obscurity argument would hold if there were a few hundred out there in the wild. But there's nothing.
We're currently surfing the net with impunity. In complete safety because hackers just don't seem to care about the 50 million or so Mac users out there or Apple's "smug" commercials and entire ad campaign that's been going on for years?
Obscurity? I'll give that to you, even though it's hardly valid. May MS continue to market a poor, back-asswards copy of OS X that runs on every single POS box out there and presents the biggest target, while Apple remains in control of the segregated, exclusive, and oh-so-special-with-sugar-on-top Premium segment.
Either way, malware will continue to be written for Windows with no let-up. Especially now. And if Windows 7 is the Second Coming like you and the other Windows sufferers say it is, then Mac users will be surfing free and easy for a long time to come. Hey, if it works for you, it works for me, too.
"The fact that Mac OS X represents around 5% of the worldwide installed base of computers might explain why there are fewer Mac viruses. "
Thats all I was trying to say.
I know talking about viruses is a great hitting point for Apple ads but the reality of the situation is the vast majority of virues happen because users are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
The main cause of virues is when people do not update their system. Which is stupid because even if you are technical all you have to do is put your updates on autoupdate. I don't like to do that because I like to check over the updates before I install anything on my system.
Good example is I know people that are still running XP and haven't done updates in so long they are still on SP1 of XP. And they wonder why they get a virus.
The next biggest issue is people that illegally download. P2P networks are full of malware and lets fact it there are millions and millions of illegal downloads done each day. These people might as well open the door and invite a virus on their system.
For users like me that update their sytsem, do not use P2P networks and on top if it use a 64bit OS viruses are a non issue. Its basic common sense.
So for Windows users that want to be stupid and not update their system or feel its worth the risk of having their system hacked so they can save 99 cents on a song then they get what the deserve.
However for anyone to suggest that Windows users that take even the most basic steps are being attacked by viruses or having BSOD daily is just inaccurate.
No I'm just pointing out how naive you and your buddy Quadra are, it takes alot more then just installing OSX without a key.
If someone is attempting to install Windows without a key that just means they simply illegally download it and it takes very little to get a keycode.
Thats a big difference from walking into an Apple Store buying a legal copy of OSX and getting it to work on a PC.
So, you're admitting that Windows is much easier to hack. I knew you'd come around eventually.
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Besides this isnt the point we were talking about. The point is you and your roomate Quadra keep on about how bad Windows is due to security when Windows is far more secure then OSX.
Classic troll content. Excellent!
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Just because something is attacked more doesn't mean its less secure, in face for the amount of times people try to attack Windows its safe to say they do a damn good job with security updates. Most people that have problems simply do not update there system on a regulare basis.
Well, we could argue the point that being attacked more does make you less secure, but, I think it's safe to say, that as a percentage of systems "hacked", relative and within the platform, Windows has an enormous lead in market share over OS X. So, overall, it's obviously less secure, whatever the reasons.
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In regards to OSX the fact that Apple has over 100 fixes everytime they put out a verison update tells its far from bug free.
Most Microsoft updates are security updates or driver updates not because functions simply do not work as is the case with OSX.
So, you're saying that Windows always needs a lot more security fixes? Sort of undermines your whole argument doesn't it?
As for the percentage of bug fixes vs. security fixes you aren't really in possession of data that would allow you to support such a claim. But, what was it that someone said earlier in this thread or another: 80% of statistics are made up on the spot.
But, really, your trolling is getting more and more frantic and senseless. Yeah, we get it that you hate Apple and its customers. We understand that you think it will make you feel better about yourself belittling them. But, this is not really a productive way to deal with your anger over your lot in life.
Actually, if you're used to XP then you'll be scratching your head in Control Panel trying to find where they put everything. Otherwise, it does seem fairly intuitive.
The trick is to just ignore the Control Panel and other menus and use the search function to find everything. Hit the Windows key, type a few letters, hit enter.
Something Mac users should be familiar with, Vista introduced a working system search to Windows users, but I don't think very many use it.
So, you're admitting that Windows is much easier to hack. I knew you'd come around eventually.
Classic troll content. Excellent!
Well, we could argue the point that being attacked more does make you less secure, but, I think it's safe to say, that as a percentage of systems "hacked", relative and within the platform, Windows has an enormous lead in market share over OS X. So, overall, it's obviously less secure, whatever the reasons.
So, you're saying that Windows always needs a lot more security fixes? Sort of undermines your whole argument doesn't it?
As for the percentage of bug fixes vs. security fixes you aren't really in possession of data that would allow you to support such a claim. But, what was it that someone said earlier in this thread or another: 80% of statistics are made up on the spot.
But, really, your trolling is getting more and more frantic and senseless. Yeah, we get it that you hate Apple and its customers. We understand that you think it will make you feel better about yourself belittling them. But, this is not really a productive way to deal with your anger over your lot in life.
Its so hard trying to use common sense with a 13 year old which clearly you either are or have the mind of one.
There isn't anything frantic about my posting because unlike you this isn't an emotional situation for me, I dont look at my computer like its a loved one, you do.
The reason Windows has more security patches is because its attacked far more. If you read my post to Quadra above I also give other examples.
If you cant bring yourself to have a real debate then you don't need to post to me anymore if your just going to come up with childish and useless comments. If your trying to get me to leave the forum that isnt going to happen.
I know the iPhone for sure but I wonder what other phones......
The difference here in the US is that we don't have the exact phone on different service providers.
Every service provider has different phones......
But it would interesting to see which phones get owned first.
Would it be through the cell network, wireless access or BT or even tethered......
Would jail broken iPhones be included?
— I would expect no jailbroken phones.
— This would include at this time the iPhone, Android, Blackberry.
— Not sure about other devices but WinMo, Symbian and Maemo would nice additions.
— Hacking would be done by WiFI or Bluetooth. Carrier hacking makes little sense.
— If all that failed then an app could be installed to see if malicious software would work. For the iPhone this setup would require a slightly different setup, but just as usable because it’s potential possible for Apple to miss something in their sandboxing.
— Next, access to the devices’ native browser to see if accessing a malicious link can gain one access.
— If 3rd-party apps can use interpreted code then so be it, if not, then no.
— If that proves to not work then a USB connection method will be utilized, but without getting the unlock command.
— Root access is the ideal goal, but getting access to other areas of the device would be acceptable if no one else gets farther.
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Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
None of these things have to do with getting remote access to a machine to control or run a virus that is unseen by the OS. These are people real coders who have physical access. With OS X they have the install disc and are looking through the files. Creating an EFI emulator for BIOS is not a security gained problem. Adding code to make the installer think this machine is acceptable is not a security breach. Adding drivers to support different HW is not a security breach.
If you want to go that route, not that OS X has no passkey or phone home system. Something that has been broke for as long as I can remember with Windows, but that is besides the point. You’re arguing two different things. Hell, Darwin is open source. Next are you going to tell us that iTunes has been breached because Pre can spoof an iPod USB ID? or that other apps can free access the open iTune DB XML files?
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Ah you just answered part of the question for me. Good job. The reason Windows is attacked more the OSX is because most viruses are written to attack Windows not OSX. Its not that OSX is more secure its that the attacks are not directed at OSX.
The iPhone is clearly not a secure device and neither is OSX.
The iPhone is a perfect example, when Apple creates a product that is popular and has high market share it gets hacked badly. Another good example is Apple can't even make something like iTunes secure where Pre owners can sync.
Apple isn't trying to hire a new iPhone OS security manager because things are go so great.
Ah, you did go there. You are arguing too many things that don’t go together. What the Pre does is not a security breach. What OSx86 Project does is not a security breach. These are hacking in the sense they are hacking away find solutions to problems but they don’t lead to malware being installed. Now, if I installed OS X on a machine, set it up the machine I could install any malware I choose because I am the one who has physical access to the device. Windows viruses mostly work by getting the user to do it for them, but Windows has been notoriously bad about where apps can run and what they can access. This is less of a problem with *nx.
Some things to ponder… Apple had more viruses before OS X when it had less marketshare than it does now. OS X also doesn’t have a percentage of the viruses to reflect a percentage of their marketshare. Most PCs are very, very cheap, Unix-based systems are used for servers with a lot of valuable information on them. On the consumer side, OS X is on92% of all machines in the US over $1000. That means people with money in the country of largest GDP. Sounds like Unix-based systems would be the idea machines to target.
The trick is to just ignore the Control Panel and other menus and use the search function to find everything. Hit the Windows key, type a few letters, hit enter.
I have to mess with Vista from time to time at work, and, I'm not convinced how effective this would be. The way they've changed the network configuration stuff around is ridiculously complicated: a multitude of different panels, none of which make it clear what they do. What would you even search for exactly, and how would you know?
Then, it has a nasty habit of creating multiple duplicate network configurations of its own accord. You can merge them, but why is it doing this in the first place? Microsoft really doesn't understand human interface design at all. They turn the simplest most straightforward things into convoluted, needlessly complex mazes. Sometimes, I think they do it just so they can show one more cute little graphic, because... oh, isn't it cute!
Its so hard trying to use common sense with a 13 year old which clearly you either are or have the mind of one.
There isn't anything frantic about my posting because unlike you this isn't an emotional situation for me, I dont look at my computer like its a loved one, you do.
It's always fun to watch the trolls deny they are emotional. Clearly, you are extremely worked up and angry. No, it's not about love, it's about hate and jealousy for you.
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The reason Windows has more security patches is because its attacked far more. If you read my post to Quadra above I also give other examples.
That just doesn't make any logical sense. If it were simply more attack/security hole, one patch would take care of them all. More patches indicates more holes. There's simply no arguing around that. You've admitted the point you are arguing against, not that we expect you to admit that you've admitted it.
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If you cant bring yourself to have a real debate then you don't need to post to me anymore if your just going to come up with childish and useless comments. If your trying to get me to leave the forum that isnt going to happen.
No, I don't expect you to leave. Your entire self-worth is based on never admitting you are wrong, and leaving would be a tacit admission of that. Sorry that you don't appreciate my digs at your expense, but, hey, that's one of the hazards of trolling, you end up the object of ridicule. Don't get too angry, now, we don't want your head to explode.
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Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x64 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
Macs are not hacked because its not worth the time to hack them.
This same naïve argument again and again.
Ask yourself, why are you here on a Mac forum ranting about how bad Apple is and how great Windows is?
Don't you think there's one hacker out there who would like to "put Apple in its place" the way you're attempting to on this forum?
Pay attention.
There are two reasons hackers write malware and viruses.
One reason is money. Many hackers want to infect as many machines as possible so that they can run spam farms and harvest information for profit. It makes sense that this type of hacker would target the platform with the largest market share.
But the other reasons hackers do what they do is for notoriety. Maybe they want to be "king of the hacker hill" or maybe they hope to land a job.
There's absolutely no reason this type of hacker wouldn't target OS X.
Just ask yourself this simple question:
Who would gain more notoriety?
A) The writer of the 648,014th widespread, successful exploit for windows, or;
If you think there are no viruses for Mac because of market share, you're pretty short on logic.
I have a reason. Microsoft screwed my life. It made (and unfortunately still makes) me too stressed. With their assistance, their sub-par products and their scams. I once thought the OS world was just Windows, and all its problems were inevitable. Then I found out the real inventor of GUIs was a company, which suffered a lot when their CEO was fired by the board but was steadily recovering itself since the said CEO returned. And that they sold computers that rarely ever presented the user with so much problems, yet was based on a solid and powerful server system. I remember they had just announced the all-in-display when I became interested. Last April, I bought an alu Macbook, and while I wish I could have bought a Pro (here in Brazil the $1300 Macbook cost me $2500), and that Apple actually had official tech support over here (the authorized assistance guys are clueless), I couldn't be happier...
...and of course if I didn't have to split my HD in half to use my Windows programs. Windows 7 is better than Vista... and XP, but that is not as great as it seems when you remember that XP is now 8 years old and it is still Windows we're talking about...
solipsism - is that you?
Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x64 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
I feel like I've heard this before...
[dissolve to past...]
Extremeskater: Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x32 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
[dissolve to further in the past...]
Extremeskater: Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x16 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
[dissolve back to present...]
Extremeskater: This time it's gonna be different, trust me.
Nearly 200,000 and counting.
But it's a non-issue.
I feel like I've heard this before...
[dissolve to past...]
Extremeskater: Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x32 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
[dissolve to further in the past...]
Extremeskater: Malware is pretty much a non issue for Windows x16 systems. Its a myth that todays Windows systems are full of BSOD and viruses.
[dissolve back to present...]
Extremeskater: This time it's gonna be different, trust me.
Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
If you want me to answer the questions for you I can all you have to do is ask me too.
Malware is a non-issue for Windows . . . except that 99.9999% of malware is . . . written for Windows.
Nearly 200,000 and counting.
But it's a non-issue.
Ah you just answered part of the question for me. Good job. The reason Windows is attacked more the OSX is because most viruses are written to attack Windows not OSX. Its not that OSX is more secure its that the attacks are not directed at OSX.
The iPhone is clearly not a secure device and neither is OSX.
The iPhone is a perfect example, when Apple creates a product that is popular and has high market share it gets hacked badly. Another good example is Apple can't even make something like iTunes secure where Pre owners can sync.
Apple isn't trying to hire a new iPhone OS security manager because things are go so great.
Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
If you want me to answer the questions for you I can all you have to do is ask me too.
I suppose cracked copies of Windows don't exist.
And installing OS X on a generic PC and actually getting it to work involved a helluva lot more than simply running a crack.
As for jailbreaking an iPhone . . . someone actually has to write code to make that possible.
No one said it was easy.
I suppose cracked copies of Windows don't exist.
And installing OS X on a generic PC and actually getting it to work involved a helluva lot more than simply running a crack.
As for jailbreaking an iPhone . . . someone actually has to write code to make that possible.
No one said it was easy.
Why would you need a cracked copy of Windows? You can install it on anything, your one of the first to point that out. Your not talking about illegally downloading things again are you?
You don't think someone has to write code to create a virus? Hmmm.
Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
If you want me to answer the questions for you I can all you have to do is ask me too.
Are you really this naive? You can "hack" any system if you have physical access and the time to do it. This is, overall, possibly the weakest argument you have ever made. You really need to get a hobby, do something positive for yourself.
Ah you just answered part of the question for me.
Yes, most malware is written for Windows.
There are no OS X viruses in the wild. Nothing that requires any antivirus of any kind. A lot of us even have the OS X firewall turned off. Save for around two trojans (one of which doesn't really do anything) - let's be fair, and a handful of proof-of-concepts that show up every year as part of contests, and the like, that never make it out of the lab.
The fact that Mac OS X represents around 5% of the worldwide installed base of computers might explain why there are fewer Mac viruses. But it wouldn't explain why there are none. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of PC viruses, a handful of Mac OS 9 viruses, and not one for Mac OS X. There are mrore for Linux than there are for OS X. There were more for the Mac OS before OS X, when Apple had much smaller market share.
Even counting those two little Trojan horsies (two?? Might as well be zero), no malware in the wild for Macs. Nothing. There are over 50 million Mac users. It's been nine years. And nothing. The obscurity argument would hold if there were a few hundred out there in the wild. But there's nothing.
We're currently surfing the net with impunity. In complete safety because hackers just don't seem to care about the 50 million or so Mac users out there or Apple's "smug" commercials and entire ad campaign that's been going on for years?
Obscurity? I'll give that to you, even though it's hardly valid. May MS continue to market a poor, back-asswards copy of OS X that runs on every single POS box out there and presents the biggest target, while Apple remains in control of the segregated, exclusive, and oh-so-special-with-sugar-on-top Premium segment.
Either way, malware will continue to be written for Windows with no let-up. Especially now. And if Windows 7 is the Second Coming like you and the other Windows sufferers say it is, then Mac users will be surfing free and easy for a long time to come. Hey, if it works for you, it works for me, too.
Why would you need a cracked copy of Windows?
Skater, skater, skater... To do an unauthorized install, you know, without a key, like installing Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware, which was part of the point you were trying to make. Maybe you're a bit crapulous this morning, though.
Skater, skater, skater... To do an unauthorized install, you know, without a key, like installing Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware, which was part of the point you were trying to make. Maybe you're a bit crapulous this morning, though.
No I'm just pointing out how naive you and your buddy Quadra are, it takes alot more then just installing OSX without a key.
If someone is attempting to install Windows without a key that just means they simply illegally download it and it takes very little to get a keycode.
Thats a big difference from walking into an Apple Store buying a legal copy of OSX and getting it to work on a PC.
Besides this isnt the point we were talking about. The point is you and your roomate Quadra keep on about how bad Windows is due to security when Windows is far more secure then OSX.
Just because something is attacked more doesn't mean its less secure, in face for the amount of times people try to attack Windows its safe to say they do a damn good job with security updates. Most people that have problems simply do not update there system on a regulare basis.
In regards to OSX the fact that Apple has over 100 fixes everytime they put out a verison update tells its far from bug free.
Most Microsoft updates are security updates or driver updates not because functions simply do not work as is the case with OSX.
Yes, most malware is written for Windows.
There are no OS X viruses in the wild. Nothing that requires any antivirus of any kind. A lot of us even have the OS X firewall turned off. Save for around two trojans (one of which doesn't really do anything) - let's be fair, and a handful of proof-of-concepts that show up every year as part of contests, and the like, that never make it out of the lab.
The fact that Mac OS X represents around 5% of the worldwide installed base of computers might explain why there are fewer Mac viruses. But it wouldn't explain why there are none. There have been hundreds, if not thousands, of PC viruses, a handful of Mac OS 9 viruses, and not one for Mac OS X. There are mrore for Linux than there are for OS X. There were more for the Mac OS before OS X, when Apple had much smaller market share.
Even counting those two little Trojan horsies (two?? Might as well be zero), no malware in the wild for Macs. Nothing. There are over 50 million Mac users. It's been nine years. And nothing. The obscurity argument would hold if there were a few hundred out there in the wild. But there's nothing.
We're currently surfing the net with impunity. In complete safety because hackers just don't seem to care about the 50 million or so Mac users out there or Apple's "smug" commercials and entire ad campaign that's been going on for years?
Obscurity? I'll give that to you, even though it's hardly valid. May MS continue to market a poor, back-asswards copy of OS X that runs on every single POS box out there and presents the biggest target, while Apple remains in control of the segregated, exclusive, and oh-so-special-with-sugar-on-top Premium segment.
Either way, malware will continue to be written for Windows with no let-up. Especially now. And if Windows 7 is the Second Coming like you and the other Windows sufferers say it is, then Mac users will be surfing free and easy for a long time to come. Hey, if it works for you, it works for me, too.
"The fact that Mac OS X represents around 5% of the worldwide installed base of computers might explain why there are fewer Mac viruses. "
Thats all I was trying to say.
I know talking about viruses is a great hitting point for Apple ads but the reality of the situation is the vast majority of virues happen because users are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
The main cause of virues is when people do not update their system. Which is stupid because even if you are technical all you have to do is put your updates on autoupdate. I don't like to do that because I like to check over the updates before I install anything on my system.
Good example is I know people that are still running XP and haven't done updates in so long they are still on SP1 of XP. And they wonder why they get a virus.
The next biggest issue is people that illegally download. P2P networks are full of malware and lets fact it there are millions and millions of illegal downloads done each day. These people might as well open the door and invite a virus on their system.
For users like me that update their sytsem, do not use P2P networks and on top if it use a 64bit OS viruses are a non issue. Its basic common sense.
So for Windows users that want to be stupid and not update their system or feel its worth the risk of having their system hacked so they can save 99 cents on a song then they get what the deserve.
However for anyone to suggest that Windows users that take even the most basic steps are being attacked by viruses or having BSOD daily is just inaccurate.
No I'm just pointing out how naive you and your buddy Quadra are, it takes alot more then just installing OSX without a key.
If someone is attempting to install Windows without a key that just means they simply illegally download it and it takes very little to get a keycode.
Thats a big difference from walking into an Apple Store buying a legal copy of OSX and getting it to work on a PC.
So, you're admitting that Windows is much easier to hack. I knew you'd come around eventually.
Besides this isnt the point we were talking about. The point is you and your roomate Quadra keep on about how bad Windows is due to security when Windows is far more secure then OSX.
Classic troll content. Excellent!
Just because something is attacked more doesn't mean its less secure, in face for the amount of times people try to attack Windows its safe to say they do a damn good job with security updates. Most people that have problems simply do not update there system on a regulare basis.
Well, we could argue the point that being attacked more does make you less secure, but, I think it's safe to say, that as a percentage of systems "hacked", relative and within the platform, Windows has an enormous lead in market share over OS X. So, overall, it's obviously less secure, whatever the reasons.
In regards to OSX the fact that Apple has over 100 fixes everytime they put out a verison update tells its far from bug free.
Most Microsoft updates are security updates or driver updates not because functions simply do not work as is the case with OSX.
So, you're saying that Windows always needs a lot more security fixes? Sort of undermines your whole argument doesn't it?
As for the percentage of bug fixes vs. security fixes you aren't really in possession of data that would allow you to support such a claim. But, what was it that someone said earlier in this thread or another: 80% of statistics are made up on the spot.
But, really, your trolling is getting more and more frantic and senseless. Yeah, we get it that you hate Apple and its customers. We understand that you think it will make you feel better about yourself belittling them. But, this is not really a productive way to deal with your anger over your lot in life.
Actually, if you're used to XP then you'll be scratching your head in Control Panel trying to find where they put everything. Otherwise, it does seem fairly intuitive.
The trick is to just ignore the Control Panel and other menus and use the search function to find everything. Hit the Windows key, type a few letters, hit enter.
Something Mac users should be familiar with, Vista introduced a working system search to Windows users, but I don't think very many use it.
So, you're admitting that Windows is much easier to hack. I knew you'd come around eventually.
Classic troll content. Excellent!
Well, we could argue the point that being attacked more does make you less secure, but, I think it's safe to say, that as a percentage of systems "hacked", relative and within the platform, Windows has an enormous lead in market share over OS X. So, overall, it's obviously less secure, whatever the reasons.
So, you're saying that Windows always needs a lot more security fixes? Sort of undermines your whole argument doesn't it?
As for the percentage of bug fixes vs. security fixes you aren't really in possession of data that would allow you to support such a claim. But, what was it that someone said earlier in this thread or another: 80% of statistics are made up on the spot.
But, really, your trolling is getting more and more frantic and senseless. Yeah, we get it that you hate Apple and its customers. We understand that you think it will make you feel better about yourself belittling them. But, this is not really a productive way to deal with your anger over your lot in life.
Its so hard trying to use common sense with a 13 year old which clearly you either are or have the mind of one.
There isn't anything frantic about my posting because unlike you this isn't an emotional situation for me, I dont look at my computer like its a loved one, you do.
The reason Windows has more security patches is because its attacked far more. If you read my post to Quadra above I also give other examples.
If you cant bring yourself to have a real debate then you don't need to post to me anymore if your just going to come up with childish and useless comments. If your trying to get me to leave the forum that isnt going to happen.
That would be very interesting to see.
Which smart phones would be used for comparison?
I know the iPhone for sure but I wonder what other phones......
The difference here in the US is that we don't have the exact phone on different service providers.
Every service provider has different phones......
But it would interesting to see which phones get owned first.
Would it be through the cell network, wireless access or BT or even tethered......
Would jail broken iPhones be included?
— I would expect no jailbroken phones.
— This would include at this time the iPhone, Android, Blackberry.
— Not sure about other devices but WinMo, Symbian and Maemo would nice additions.
— Hacking would be done by WiFI or Bluetooth. Carrier hacking makes little sense.
— If all that failed then an app could be installed to see if malicious software would work. For the iPhone this setup would require a slightly different setup, but just as usable because it’s potential possible for Apple to miss something in their sandboxing.
— Next, access to the devices’ native browser to see if accessing a malicious link can gain one access.
— If 3rd-party apps can use interpreted code then so be it, if not, then no.
— If that proves to not work then a USB connection method will be utilized, but without getting the unlock command.
— Root access is the ideal goal, but getting access to other areas of the device would be acceptable if no one else gets farther.
Sorry if that upsets you but its true. You still haven't told me if Apple creates such solid software why is the iPhone so easy to jailbreak? You also haven't told me if OSX is so solid why can it be install on a PC if Apple doesn't want it to be installed on other hardware?
None of these things have to do with getting remote access to a machine to control or run a virus that is unseen by the OS. These are people real coders who have physical access. With OS X they have the install disc and are looking through the files. Creating an EFI emulator for BIOS is not a security gained problem. Adding code to make the installer think this machine is acceptable is not a security breach. Adding drivers to support different HW is not a security breach.
If you want to go that route, not that OS X has no passkey or phone home system. Something that has been broke for as long as I can remember with Windows, but that is besides the point. You’re arguing two different things. Hell, Darwin is open source. Next are you going to tell us that iTunes has been breached because Pre can spoof an iPod USB ID? or that other apps can free access the open iTune DB XML files?
Ah you just answered part of the question for me. Good job. The reason Windows is attacked more the OSX is because most viruses are written to attack Windows not OSX. Its not that OSX is more secure its that the attacks are not directed at OSX.
The iPhone is clearly not a secure device and neither is OSX.
The iPhone is a perfect example, when Apple creates a product that is popular and has high market share it gets hacked badly. Another good example is Apple can't even make something like iTunes secure where Pre owners can sync.
Apple isn't trying to hire a new iPhone OS security manager because things are go so great.
Ah, you did go there. You are arguing too many things that don’t go together. What the Pre does is not a security breach. What OSx86 Project does is not a security breach. These are hacking in the sense they are hacking away find solutions to problems but they don’t lead to malware being installed. Now, if I installed OS X on a machine, set it up the machine I could install any malware I choose because I am the one who has physical access to the device. Windows viruses mostly work by getting the user to do it for them, but Windows has been notoriously bad about where apps can run and what they can access. This is less of a problem with *nx.
Some things to ponder… Apple had more viruses before OS X when it had less marketshare than it does now. OS X also doesn’t have a percentage of the viruses to reflect a percentage of their marketshare. Most PCs are very, very cheap, Unix-based systems are used for servers with a lot of valuable information on them. On the consumer side, OS X is on92% of all machines in the US over $1000. That means people with money in the country of largest GDP. Sounds like Unix-based systems would be the idea machines to target.
The trick is to just ignore the Control Panel and other menus and use the search function to find everything. Hit the Windows key, type a few letters, hit enter.
I have to mess with Vista from time to time at work, and, I'm not convinced how effective this would be. The way they've changed the network configuration stuff around is ridiculously complicated: a multitude of different panels, none of which make it clear what they do. What would you even search for exactly, and how would you know?
Then, it has a nasty habit of creating multiple duplicate network configurations of its own accord. You can merge them, but why is it doing this in the first place? Microsoft really doesn't understand human interface design at all. They turn the simplest most straightforward things into convoluted, needlessly complex mazes. Sometimes, I think they do it just so they can show one more cute little graphic, because... oh, isn't it cute!
Its so hard trying to use common sense with a 13 year old which clearly you either are or have the mind of one.
There isn't anything frantic about my posting because unlike you this isn't an emotional situation for me, I dont look at my computer like its a loved one, you do.
It's always fun to watch the trolls deny they are emotional. Clearly, you are extremely worked up and angry. No, it's not about love, it's about hate and jealousy for you.
The reason Windows has more security patches is because its attacked far more. If you read my post to Quadra above I also give other examples.
That just doesn't make any logical sense. If it were simply more attack/security hole, one patch would take care of them all. More patches indicates more holes. There's simply no arguing around that. You've admitted the point you are arguing against, not that we expect you to admit that you've admitted it.
If you cant bring yourself to have a real debate then you don't need to post to me anymore if your just going to come up with childish and useless comments. If your trying to get me to leave the forum that isnt going to happen.
No, I don't expect you to leave. Your entire self-worth is based on never admitting you are wrong, and leaving would be a tacit admission of that. Sorry that you don't appreciate my digs at your expense, but, hey, that's one of the hazards of trolling, you end up the object of ridicule. Don't get too angry, now, we don't want your head to explode.